$5 Submissions you are full of shit or maybe just an idiot?
 

Taken from http://justtraffic.blogspot.com

"Traffic Idea -- Do ideas gain value when hidden or when shared?
This is an interesting question that comes up from time to time. Do ideas gain value when kept secret or when shared? Just Traffic is an "open source" idea blog for traffic and traffic news. It appears that a few webmasters would want us to stop discussing ways of traffic generation. The exchange is as follows:



From GFY

[QUOTE=Myst]i seriously cannot understand you guys
why do you continuously spread the word on things that you make money on
do you WANT everyone to do what you do? do you want more competition? do you enjoy having your paycheck cut and given to other people you gave your secret to?

I see this happening with spamming, chatbots, yahoo groups, blogs

shut the #### up already please
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Myst,

There are 2 schools of thought when it comes to ideas. One line of thinking assumes that ideas only have value if it is kept secret. Another line of thinking proceeds on the premise that information and ideas EXPLODE in value when shared. Based on my experiences, the latter is true.

There is no one source of traffic generation that hasn't expanded in value because people learn from the implementations of others. If you know what you are doing--you will learn from and profit from others' attempts at solving the same problem set YOU face. To take your example, blogs... Blog traffic is now in its third or fourth generation. Just look at how people implement it. Do you think it would reach such an advanced (and profitable for some) stage if the IDEA of blogs weren't disseminated? A plants the seed in B's mind, B creates implementation, C is inspired by B's attempt, D perfects C's effort, A applies it to A's problem and makes money... and so do others. This is how I've seen it work.

That's the idea behind http://justtraffic.blogspot.com it is a traffic news and idea clearinghouse. If you read it carefully and understand its first principles, you'd know that there are tons of other sources for traffic than the traffic sources discussed on this or other boards. People can only keep implementations secret for so long until people learn and improve on their efforts.

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Note: All clients that have pioneered their OWN methods are protected by our confidentiality policy. All ideas discussed on Just Traffic are ideas we've investigated on our own and/or traffic news.

If you need new stuff researched or want the latest stuff we've researched and validated on our own, hit us up. Quality data analytics and traffic feasibility analysis -- Webmasterlabor.Com "

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Now why don't you tell everyone the real reason you "share" your moneymaking ideas with the crowd.....BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SELL SERVICES DEALING WITH THE SOURCES YOU PROVIDE.

You are an idiot if you think anyone is going to believe the drivel you or one of your monkeys posted. Every traffic source I have ever had that I kept to myself IMMEDIATELY lost value the second someone else knew wtf it was. This has been both from me telling them or just another person stumbling upon it. In fact, I would go so far as to say you are one of the main contributors to various "spammy" traffic sources on the web catching hell over the last year. You singlehandedly recruit a bunch of retarded motherfuckers into a section of the web, tell them they'll make money doing X, then charge them to do X for them.

And while I'm on the subject, why don't you also mention how you "borrow" ideas from people who contact you to have work done. Get a quote on some work nobody's exploiting yet and magically you have a blog post and whole fucking crew ready to offer the same service a month later.

Do us a fucking favor, next time you decide to fuck over the freethinking webmasters that have made money for years without your "help" by saturating what they do to the point of worthessness, don't pat yourself on the back and say to our faces that you are doing us a favor. We don't need your fucking help to make money, we already are. The only people you cater to are the morons that were too stupid to find the traffic sources themselves. But hey, at least you make $5 out of the deal. :321GFY

$5 Submissions aka Gene is one of the better guys i know these days. Point.

$5 Submission aka Gene is a self serving asshole. No problem with being a self serving asshole, hell it's business, but don't go posting about how you're doing everyone a favor by turning their traffic source into the equivelant of TGP traffic.

And don't get someone inquiring about a quote for services on a traffic source they use, then turn around and tell everyone in the fucking world what it is and offer to do the shit for them at 5 cents a pop.

That my friend is gay, even when it comes from an intelligent sheep wrangler like Gene.

Depends on how you look at it.. Take for example his more recent blog entry about how to cheat TGP submission limits...

That's one of the risks of using offshore outsourcing, adult or mainstream.

ive been quoted
i rule

He is just doing what is best for his business, most smart businessman would to the same. This game isn't about making friends, showing off or anything else; it's all about making money.

Oh trust me, I know. But you know what, when you give a smart guy a traffic source for whatever reason you almost expect them to use it for themselves. But not Gene, no way could he make money on it himself. At least not before telling 10,000 other retards that don't have any business sense to begin with about it. Those 10,000 retards in turn move in and fuck the whole thing up in record time. Then they log on to GFY and jack off to the next freebie.

Wrong. Most smart businessmen would stay the fuck away from people like this thus causing them to go out of business. Fortunately for him GFY is inhabited by $3 an hour TGP submitters that just can't figure out how everyone does it.

The way I look at it is the following. From what i've seen, the jobs he did for me, the work he provided (quite a few i can say) to me he's a good guy in the industry. One of the less that offers a good pricing structure & deliver on time. He's always their to help you out when needed.

Hope that explains my post above.

Give me a fuckin break :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Then they log on to GFY and jack off to the next freebie.[/QUOTE]

you say that like it was a bad thing .......... :1orglaugh

Of course he does. I'm sure his slaves drive out all kinds of shit at rock bottom prices. This has nothing to do with that. Give him an original idea to work on and count the days until he's posting it up as if it's his big discovery and costing you tens of thousands of dollars in the process. Those cheap ass gallery descriptions won't look so awesome after that.

Not necessarily about making friends, but you'll create long-term relationships with clients if you become friends; and there's more to it than that.

chadglni mentioned someone getting a quote for a service, and then that form of traffic was mentioned in Gene / $5 Submissions blog? That's wrong.

$5 Submissions does know customer support and how to avoid being criticized in the public eye.

Matt

Fake drama?

Smart businessman make the contractor sign a non-disclusure and non-compete agreements in situations like these.

Just calling it as I see it. He's run his business like this from day 1. I never said shit but I ran across his blog and the post given above and it set me off. What an arrogant prick.

Thank you Gene for helping everyone make so much fucking money. You can charge $6 for submissions now cause we're all fucking rich!

We provide outsourced traffic services. Yes.

We market our services by offering news re traffic we generated/researched ourselves at Justtraffic.Blogspot.com. Yes.

Ever heard of OPEN SOURCE? Whatever IDEA anyone has, the moment you put it on the net, it is open to analysis and improvement. This goes for mainstream and adult sites. Unless they steal your copyright or your stuff is patented, people can and do look at your implementation and come up with better solutions to either the same problem or other problems.

If we follow your logic, then ANY idea re generating traffic is immediately off limits to anyone else. Regardless of the fact that they arrive at it independently. If this was truly the case, then YOU'd be disadvantaged because NO ONE has a monopoly on innovative ideas. Ideas are arrived at indpendently ALL the time. It's the implementation that varies.

Based on this thought, there would only be ONE linklist or TGP on the Internet cuz...hey.. ideas cannot be transffered amongst individuals...

:Oh crap

We share info we've either used to generate traffic or general traffic news. We advise against abuse. What is your point?

http://justtraffic.blogspot.com lists taffic news primarily and ONLY A PORTION of the possible ways to generate traffic online. MOST of our inhouse traffic generation we don't report on the blog. The ones we do have wide applications and could help other webmasters. Previously unknown (to us) or little known Traffic Methods that actual or potential clients bring to us are NOT publicized. We know this because our clients conduct checks re usage and we don't engage in this.

This truly is just a "Bash Newbies" post. Believe me, if your traffic sources DIE (and most will eventually change or outright die), you'd want a place where you can get an idea to expand on. The Internet is built on ideas. No one outright owns any particular idea. By keeping Ideas and information free and flowing, you are eventually helping yourself.

Blaming others for implementing ideas and not yourself for not stepping up your game is like blaming TGP guys for starting TGPs. There's tons of money still left to be made in all sorts of traffic methods.

Instead of focusing on the fact that others are competing with you, why don't you do what JustTraffic.Blogspot.com SEEKS THAT YOU DO--ie., innovate and look at traffic from basic principles and INNOVATE??? :Oh crap

So lets see these "orignal idea's " he posted.....

Still waiting...... :jerkoff

Chad

I apologize if you perceive me as arrogant. I don't consciously try to convey that. In fact, justtraffic.blogspot.com is aimed at facilitating conversations and idea exchanges amongst equals. I know that I don't know everything.

So you think I'm going to post even more shit here for the sheep to eat? You are crazier than he is.

cliff notes too long ?

Yeah just what i thought. You come in and bash a guy and his company with No proof. End of thread folks this guy is just a idiot.......

Being told things are confidential and trusting someone is a more honourable way to do things, in my mind. $5 Submissions comes across as a very good person and guy, and you've never seen any complaints about his services and such, so why would you not trust someone like that; he's very personable and a smart business man.

Matt

Would you want to point out your idea in a public forum giving it even more attention?

Matt

Most people aren't as confrontation prone as I am. Hell, even I kept my mouth shut forever until I read his entry about why telling the world about everything is such a wonderful idea.

There are others who have had their shit "found" by this guy after they spoke to him. If they want to throw their name in the mix they can, but they've never made it public before so I don't imagine they'll start now.

The guy came in and posted that gene posted"orignal info" i on his blog site. I want to see were this info is posted. Guess what these is none. If so post it we all are waiting!

Hm... Do you understand what I said? If you had an idea, would you want more attention drawn to it?

Matt

dude wtf he Says it on the site so post the damn link that has this "orignal info"

Or i will go thru all the damn links myself and post all the info here..

Guys. Let's just agree to DISAGREE. There's 2 schools of thought regarding the issue, as covered by my original response to MYST.

Yes, you could do that, but you'd still not know which idea is his and which could work very well, and therefore less people would start doing it or using it, etc.. Simple logic.

Matt

Ok go blow smoke of someone elses ass. Do you really think all that stuff on his blog site 100's of webmaster did not think of or use as traffic sources. Then to come in and claim that he has "orginal idea's posted on his site. But yet wont post the link with the proof.

Give me a fuck break. Not once i have ever seen a complaint about Gene. Then this guy comes along WONT post proof. Thanks for wasteing are time chadglni :321GFY

Boy you are just accusing Gene here without any proof. Are you afraid newbies will eat your lunch? Move on already nothing to see there!

:thumbsup

I must agree with Hornydog4cooter, its all good and well to accuse people of stuff, but without any proof we're just looking at another shit-rambling newbie...

I'm not posting shit. The blog wasn't around when I contacted $5, I just saw him offering services for something I contacted him about way back when. I'm not mentioning what it is because even with the fucktards there it still makes some money.

And before you call someone a newbie why don't you check out the registration date. There is more to slinging porn than GFY noob.

LOL dood get a life, youre full of shit and you'll always be a noob no matter when you registered... You just proved that by making this tread.
Post proof or fuck off... :2 cents:

Same for me. This board is full of amateurs and newbies, but wise businessmen keep quiet.

Never ever outsource anything "secret", or something that you wouldnt mind every webmaster in the world knowing about.

I've been selling porn without the help of gfy for years on end. You really think I give a shit that a nobody from gfy thinks I'm a noob?