Micheal Moore's 9/11-Just seen it
 

POWERFUL AWESOME... A MUST SEE!!!!

Yeh, that's what a lot of folks are saying.

What part is making people cry when they come out? I heard there was some scene with a mother getting word her son was just killed in Iraq or something.

And you say Bush is like Hilter. It seems Moore is much closer to Hitler with his mastery of propaganda.

I must disagree, if it were such a powerful documentary then both sides would have been shown, instead bush was portraid as an evil mastermind who wanted this from the begining, yet fails to mention how many saddam killed, the info that bush received about iraq, and how many bin laden killed... if anything it made me pull more towards bush, and if I could vote for him if I was american I would vote for him, I am sure if I were to do a documentary on clinton looking into the camera looking stupid that wouldnt be hard to find... hell even kerry...the fact is that most of this movie was focused on making bush look stupid, hardly any facts that I havent heard before on CNN.

lol.. coming from someone who hasnt seen the film...

I didn't like it at all.

Hezbollah likes it:thumbsup

Moore is an ASS.....
I can see why he has recieved many death threats...
:321GFY

Bush never went to war to save the Iraqui people... .. 2nd Osama...? why do you talk about him?

I've heard that alot too,.

jDoG

All over the news after 911 Bush was aiming at Bin laden, Bush even said on CNN that he lost loved ones in the WTC and would take action against bin laden and ANYONE WHO HAD PARTICIPATION, he got info that saddam was in on this...if I was presedent I would believe information that I got for someone who has been appointed to receive info and give it to me, in an unbiased manner...The reason I talk about this is because bin laden has his hands all over this and bush had info that saddam was in on it as well, which is what a leader would do is go after him as well.

how many more of these threads do we have to put up with?

hopefully not many moore

haha

:1orglaugh guess you havnt heard about the 9/11 commission... The info linking Saddam with Bin Ladden were incomplete and weak and were used in a "irresponsible" manner , im being polite, to get the opinion of the american people on their side... Funny how a by partisan commission was able to conclude that there's no link between the 2... yet the Bush administration was not able to see that... mmmh.. .. guess the didnt really care to make sure...

Bush is like Hitler

Moore is like Goebels

Better???

Perhaps you missed the point. The movie is supposed to be about Bush and what he's done, not Bin Laden or Sadam.

well if I were president and was told that saddam was a major threat (by someone that I did not appoint) then I would have done the same thing...it is always better to react to such a thing then sit back and see if it could really happen like the clinton admin did for 8 years....

it was sold out all night here in LA

btw...if this film was presented in a manner that showed both sides it would have been awesome...but the sad fact of the manner is that this moore has something against bush and wants to show a one sided view...hell even CNN and other media outlets 90% of the time have both sides represented

What you have to do with all things like this is look at the message and the message carrier.

Has Bush disputed any of the statements put out in the film?

Is Michael Moore biased?

Who has been proven to be the more truthful?

Who has the power to do the more damage?

It's no good to just dismiss Moore becasue he's biased, that's a very American thing to do. Just because the message carrier is criticising it does not follow he is lying or hates the US. You have to prove these facts.

So far what has been shown is the war was started on the false premise that Saddam's Iraq was a threat to the US.

Where is the proof Saddam was supporting terrorism against the US. Yes he was vocal against the US, but other than that what proof is there?

Where is the proof he was in league with Bin Laden?

No one so far has been able to come up with proof that WMD existed at the time of the invasion.

Going to war, invading and occupying a country, killing hundeds of thousands, spending billions of dollars needs a little more proof and a lot less assumptions than we were given.

Who would you rather trust, Bush or Moore as the most truthful?

it was almost sold out here too, most were cheers but I can only imagine most were democrats...I went because I like to see what others have to say and I saw the film and saw it very one sided, unlike many others that automatically shoots down others views, I just feel this film was one sided.

he might have a serious meaning

but he is just capitilizing on something

What is a about, just kidding. Can't wait to see it.

on Conan,
Michael Moore just said that Kerry wouldnt send troops anywhere unless they were really attacking up.

"I wasn't threatened... you werent threatened"

What the FUCK was SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH fat fuck?

So do you dismiss it entirely because the message man is biased?

Then you have to dismiss what Bush says and practically every thing you see, read or hear.

The film sets out to give you one side, to present the facts as Moore sees them, only a fool thinks he's unbiased. It's now up to the other side to present a counter argument and facts to present their case. It's called debating and a very powerful tool in a democracy.

Who would you think is more open to showing the facts Bush or Moore?

Of course it was. Moore has been pretty straightforward in saying that he's presented the FACTs and HIS opinions. He doesn't like Bush and what he's done and so that comes out in the movie. Gotta just get past that and look at the facts, just like you have to with any news broadcast, or speeches given by republicans or democrats.

9/11 is not an excuse to invade any country you want to.

The invasion of Afghanistan, the removal of the Taliban and suppression of Al Queda was in response to 9/11 and the world largly supported it. This film and debate is about Iraq, don't try to cloud the issue by going on a side track.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by charly
[B]What you have to do with all things like this is look at the message and the message carrier.

Has Bush disputed any of the statements put out in the film?

I am not sure, the film was just released today and I have been getting drunk

Is Michael Moore biased?

YES, where is the other side...?

Who has been proven to be the more truthful?

Not too sure, do not no either moore or bush very much but I know the film I paid $10 for today was biased


Who has the power to do the more damage?

I imagine bush would have more power

It's no good to just dismiss Moore becasue he's biased, that's a very American thing to do. Just because the message carrier is criticising it does not follow he is lying or hates the US. You have to prove these facts.

So far what has been shown is the war was started on the false premise that Saddam's Iraq was a threat to the US.

Where is the proof Saddam was supporting terrorism against the US. Yes he was vocal against the US, but other than that what proof is there?


If the CIA gave me memos saying he was I would believe them...

Where is the proof he was in league with Bin Laden?

CIA memos

No one so far has been able to come up with proof that WMD existed at the time of the invasion.

If I was told that saddam was carrying WMD and I already knew that he was a mad man I would have done the same thing

Going to war, invading and occupying a country, killing hundeds of thousands, spending billions of dollars needs a little more proof and a lot less assumptions than we were given.

Who would you rather trust, Bush or Moore as the most truthful?

running a presidency is pretty powerful and there will always be critics but making a film of how bush is unintelligent is just messed up, I watched more then 60 minutes of bush and company staring into the camera without knowledge they would be shown to the world, if I had have know that I wouldnt have paid $10 for.

Exactly.

Creating a documentary isnt meant to be showing a one sided view... it is to show facts of what happened and I was never told in that movie about numerous facts that I know what happened...I knew that going into the movie but this man makes it look like republicans do not care about the american public...let me just say that I personally think that everyone wants the best for americans and both have different views that are what is needed...neither are good and evil, look at it as good and bad decisions...sure republicans have made wrong decisions but so have democrats.

i guess im just pissed... in this situation

i would kill anyone that tried to harm YOU!
(yes, you... reading this now!)

exactly, in any situation I think that ANY HUMAN BEING would attack anyone thought to have possesed any harm to the american people.

frankthetank
So CIA memos are enough reason for you, pity history will not see it as so.

WMDs, the memos were BS, because were able to state where there were any WMDs. We were told at the time that revealing exact locations would be dangerous for spies working in Iraq. Well it seems the spies must still be in danger becasue nothing has been found to date.

Terrorism, where are the facts to back up these memos?

If you have a boss that wants to hear a message and you want to look good, you produce the message. Producing facts to back up the message are proving a little harder and the more investigating that is being done into the "Memos" the more doubtful they are looking.

A memo that there might be something, is a signal to produce facts and be on your guard. Not an excuse to invade a third world country that in truth could not protect itself and kill hundreds of thousands.

I have the utmost respect for the people in Iraq trying to hold everything together. I just learned that a friend has been promoted to 2 Commando, this means he's a front line soldier. If he gets injured or does not return I want to know his sacrifice was worth it.

I just think that if I were given maps and memos saying saddam has WMD's and this is here they are located and also recieving memos that bin laden is looking for WMDs I would want to know exactly what saddam is up to and without him co-operating I would assume he is sharing these with terrorists. Personally I would rather bush do to much then to little so that we can never have anything as horrific as 911. I am sure the democrats would have done the same thing if it meant protecting the american people and the world for that matter.

No creating a documentary is meant to be presenting one side. You just have to wait for the other side to present their side.

And so far we are waiting.

Agian no disputes of the facts presented in the film, just critising the message man. Anyone who thinks Moore is unbiased really is too stupid to make a difference.

Dispute the facts, don't dismiss them.

I am just trying to get the point across that most of this moview was not facts that I had not heard before, even if some were true which is totally believable. I am just trying to say that bush did only what I know I would have done and that is to protect the american people which I think he has done or atleast tried to do to the best he was able to do.

he claims he cares about the country. what an idiot

Exactly. Either you believe in Freedom of Speech or you don't. You can't believe in it if it's only promoting your point of view.

exactly, if I didnt believe in freedom of speech I would not have gone and saw this movie, I think in order to have a democracy there needs to be many sides of view and I do believe that everyone is really at the end of the day just trying to do what is best for americans and the world at large.

Are you serious or joking? It's hard to tell.

Rush Limbaugh listening Fox news watching right wingers who worship Bush, the most partisan president in recent U.S. history, complaining because Michael Moore isn't fair and balanced.

It has to be a joke.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh