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jact 11-24-2003 07:01 AM

Why do sponsors think it's okay for affilates to use stolen content?
 
It seems nearly every sponsor program I contact about webmasters using stolen content (of mine) they couldn't care less. It's like pulling teeth to even get them to reply to you for the most part. Out of all the sponsors I've contacted over the years, Sunnydollars is the only one who took action to suspend the affiliate.

So what the fuck is your issue affiliate programs? You don't care that they're stealing from us to send you money?

:321GFY

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:02 AM

Just like they don't seem to care if people are using hacks and spamming kids to make signups.. it's ALLLLLLLLLL about the bling.

NaughtyJenn 11-24-2003 07:04 AM

:( not good, not good at all :(

polish_aristocrat 11-24-2003 07:15 AM

I steal content everyday.
Sometimes I even steal two of them.

NaughtyJenn 11-24-2003 07:15 AM

i wonder what some of the sponsors responce is, or if they will even comment?

- Jesus Christ - 11-24-2003 07:15 AM

Jesus Bucks

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
i wonder what some of the sponsors responce is, or if they will even comment?
They will all say that they turn off people who use stolen content. Isn't that what anyone would say? The truth is, in 99% of cases, the sponsors don't care as long as they are making the money. . Or at least, that's how it seems on this end.

It's funny. They get pretty pissed off when people steal THEIR content, but as long as nobody is stealing theirs, it's ok for them to make money off of content stolen from someone else.

Mutt 11-24-2003 07:24 AM

nobody cares about content people - never have never will. only thing people understand is being served with a lawsuit.

some_idiot 11-24-2003 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact
It seems nearly every sponsor program I contact about webmasters using stolen content (of mine) they couldn't care less. It's like pulling teeth to even get them to reply to you for the most part. Out of all the sponsors I've contacted over the years, Sunnydollars is the only one who took action to suspend the affiliate.

So what the fuck is your issue affiliate programs? You don't care that they're stealing from us to send you money?

:321GFY

On the plus side, these sponsors make it EASY to sue. You
can file with the court for their financial records to prove that
monetary damages DID occure.

Would also put a end once and for all as to who's shaving
if they knew one bad affiliate could make their finances
public record. :winkwink:

OzMan84 11-24-2003 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Just like they don't seem to care if people are using hacks and spamming kids to make signups.. it's ALLLLLLLLLL about the bling.
doesnt it all end up being their content anways? because you are advertising the same sites?:2 cents:

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by some_idiot


On the plus side, these sponsors make it EASY to sue. You
can file with the court for their financial records to prove that
monetary damages DID occure.

Would also put a end once and for all as to who's shaving
if they knew one bad affiliate could make their finances
public record. :winkwink:

It's going to happen.. We're fucking sick of the bullshit.

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan84


doesnt it all end up being their content anways? because you are advertising the same sites?:2 cents:

No, we sell content. We don't advertise sites. If they are using our content illegally to promote their sites, how does it end up being their content? Not only is it taking money out of our pockets, but reducing the value of the content for those people that legitimately purchased it.

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
nobody cares about content people - never have never will. only thing people understand is being served with a lawsuit.
They should fucking smarten up, seriously.
It's shit like this that kills the industry a little more every day. People wonder why this industry has a bad fucking rep, it's because it's the industry that's MOST LIKELY to support and even applaud theives, crooks, and assholes. There are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, this is the truth.

Gemini 11-24-2003 07:37 AM

OzMan... you should spend more time reading or thinking about what you've read and less time sticking your foot in your mouth. :glugglug

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 07:43 AM

money driven and how many lawsuits have the content producers filed? next to none. Quit bitchin and start send lawsuits, cryin about it will achieve nothing. Pull an Acacia and file a barrage of lawsuits against some hefty sponsors. Wont happen cause those hefty sponsors may do business with you. :glugglug

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
money driven and how many lawsuits have the content producers filed? next to none. Quit bitchin and start send lawsuits, cryin about it will achieve nothing. Pull an Acacia and file a barrage of lawsuits against some hefty sponsors. Wont happen cause those hefty sponsors may do business with you. :glugglug
That's easy to say, harder to do. Believe me though we are tired of the bullshit and lawsuits are going to start happening.. Maybe, just MAYBE, other providers will follow the lead.

And honestly, I don't want the business of ANY sponsor who supports fucking thieves, because they are shooting themselves in the foot in the end. I don't care HOW big or small they are.

some_idiot 11-24-2003 07:47 AM

LM / JACT

Start here, this gets most American's attention.

http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/intellec...ract/cease.htm

I can also give you a referral to a couple Bay st. lawyers that
do have I.P. experiance.

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


That's easy to say, harder to do. Believe me though we are tired of the bullshit and lawsuits are going to start happening.. Maybe, just MAYBE, other providers will follow the lead.

And honestly, I don't want the business of ANY sponsor who supports fucking thieves, because they are shooting themselves in the foot in the end. I don't care HOW big or small they are.

Cmon you happen upon a sponsor that is gonna buy 10's 20's of thousands of dollars and your gonna turn him away cause he has a few small time no traffic donkeys using bogus pics? I think not personally but you may, never know

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

Cmon you happen upon a sponsor that is gonna buy 10's 20's of thousands of dollars and your gonna turn him away cause he has a few small time no traffic donkeys using bogus pics? I think not personally but you may, never know

Yes, because honestly, my business ethic means more to me. If they support content thieves, who's to say they aren't going to rip ME off too? It's one of those things. I find that people who are dishonest or turn a blind eye to the small stuff are the ones willing to comprimise and do it in the bigger situations too. Why would I want to do business with a company like that? It's not going to gain me anything but grief. There are enough HONEST companies out there (barely though it seems) to do business with.

OzMan84 11-24-2003 07:51 AM

the way it sounded to me, that people were taking gfx off hosted gallery sites, and reusing them to promote the same site
:321GFY

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by OzMan84
the way it sounded to me, that people were taking gfx off hosted gallery sites, and reusing them to promote the same site
:321GFY

No. They are stealing MY content from my customers and using it to promote whatever they want.

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


Yes, because honestly, my business ethic means more to me. If they support content thieves, who's to say they aren't going to rip ME off too? It's one of those things. I find that people who are dishonest or turn a blind eye to the small stuff are the ones willing to comprimise and do it in the bigger situations too. Why would I want to do business with a company like that? It's not going to gain me anything but grief. There are enough HONEST companies out there (barely though it seems) to do business with.

oh god whats your thoughts on the dishonest shavers in this industry that buy content from you? Lemme guess you havent seen any shaving proof right? Ethics in PORN ROTFLMAO:1orglaugh

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


No. They are stealing MY content from my customers and using it to promote whatever they want.

hard to stop and I wish you the best, thats harder to kill than shithead Berman and his klan:glugglug

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
oh god whats your thoughts on the dishonest shavers in this industry that buy content from you? Lemme guess you havent seen any shaving proof right? Ethics in PORN ROTFLMAO:1orglaugh
If I'm selling content to sponsor programs, it's usually exclusive. They are paying the prices and honestly, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. It's when they are profiting off the backs of my customers who payed for their content, and who lose the value of that content because of fucking crooks that piss me off.

And shaving happens, if it didn't many programs would not survive. I don't think it's right, but from a business perspective I can see why it happens. It's not my cruisade though. The thing that REALLY chaps my ass though is, the bigger the program, the less they REALLY need the money (in terms of hoew much they make), the less they seem to give a fuck about the crooks.

NaughtyJenn 11-24-2003 07:58 AM

stealing is stealing, i know personally i would not do any biz with anyone who has stolen from others... i know this is a ruthless biz and some people say there are no morals with some people, but when you work hard and produce quality content just to have it stolen it is like a kick in the teeth, i respect your views 200% jact and ladym ... best of luck :(

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


If I'm selling content to sponsor programs, it's usually exclusive. They are paying the prices and honestly, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. It's when they are profiting off the backs of my customers who payed for their content, and who lose the value of that content because of fucking crooks that piss me off.

And shaving happens, if it didn't many programs would not survive. I don't think it's right, but from a business perspective I can see why it happens. It's not my cruisade though. The thing that REALLY chaps my ass though is, the bigger the program, the less they REALLY need the money (in terms of hoew much they make), the less they seem to give a fuck about the crooks.

you have a long fight ahead of you, and if they dont already the sponsor will put a clause in their TOS stating they wont be held responsible for this tha and another thing the affiliate does short od spam. So who ya gonna sue then? Some webmaster from chechnya?:helpme

NaughtyJenn 11-24-2003 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day

you have a long fight ahead of you, and if they dont already the sponsor will put a clause in their TOS stating they wont be held responsible for this tha and another thing the affiliate does short od spam. So who ya gonna sue then? Some webmaster from chechnya?:helpme

dont look at it towards the person per say using it, but look at the ones supporting them by not removing and respecting others..

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day

you have a long fight ahead of you, and if they dont already the sponsor will put a clause in their TOS stating they wont be held responsible for this tha and another thing the affiliate does short od spam. So who ya gonna sue then? Some webmaster from chechnya?:helpme

That's the problem now though.. Sponsors aren't held accountable enough. They really should be, in my opinion. They are responsible to Visa for how their affiliates promote them, why shouldn't they be responsible to the people who's livlihoods they are affecting, directly or indirectly. Silence in the same as agreement, in this kind of an issue.

Hank_Heartland 11-24-2003 08:06 AM

I'm a Sponsor and I don't steal anybody's content and I don't shave:thumbsup

Now, the question is 'Are more of you going to use my program'?:helpme

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


That's the problem now though.. Sponsors aren't held accountable enough. They really should be, in my opinion. They are responsible to Visa for how their affiliates promote them, why shouldn't they be responsible to the people who's livlihoods they are affecting, directly or indirectly. Silence in the same as agreement, in this kind of an issue.

here we go, ok these shithole sponsors can and will term you even if you havent done anything wrong cause there bottom line is short this month. So you think there gonna be held responsible for the actions of some webmaster doin a right click save as scenario. It will or is in their TOS. And we all know their TOS is iron clad:1orglaugh Im playin the devils advocate here so you dont get caught up in your headhunting campaign that will get you nowere except less of a checking balance than last month if you choose to file lawsuits. I mean really now.

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin
I'm a Sponsor and I don't steal anybody's content and I don't shave:thumbsup

Now, the question is 'Are more of you going to use my program'?:helpme

I feel a kinship with my fellow chicagoans:thumbsup

OzMan84 11-24-2003 08:07 AM

LadyMischief sorry to hear that, can i see a sample of your work just coz im curious of what people are stealing from you, mayb you should copyright the crap? could that help?
all the best mate:thumbsup

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day

here we go, ok these shithole sponsors can and will term you even if you havent done anything wrong cause there bottom line is short this month. So you think there gonna be held responsible for the actions of some webmaster doin a right click save as scenario. It will or is in their TOS. And we all know their TOS is iron clad:1orglaugh Im playin the devils advocate here so you dont get caught up in your headhunting campaign that will get you nowere except less of a checking balance than last month if you choose to file lawsuits. I mean really now.

Contibutory infringement can he lawsuit-worthy :)

LadyMischief 11-24-2003 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OzMan84
LadyMischief sorry to hear that, can i see a sample of your work just coz im curious of what people are stealing from you, mayb you should copyright the crap? could that help?
all the best mate:thumbsup

see sig :) We also broker and it affects our producers as well.

And as for copyrights, as soon as you snap a picture, you hold copyright :)

Veterans Day 11-24-2003 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


Contibutory infringement can he lawsuit-worthy :)

never happen cause if it was a plausible solution you or another provider would have been doing it. I mean your losin a ton of money right? They have all seen the run of the mill C&D letter, its as good as Acacias letter. Trash bin, next sponsor:2 cents:

basschick 11-24-2003 08:12 AM

ars turns off accounts that steal content after one warning.

maybe you could give a seal of approval to paysites that don't allow this practice and respond in a timely way. you could have a site listing these responsible paysites, as well.

and if the word gets out, some webmasters will be careful to promote sites who don't allow such practices. we don't, but we're small.

NaughtyJenn 11-24-2003 08:12 AM

vet: but don you think that attitude is what gives this line of work such a bad name?

Hank_Heartland 11-24-2003 08:14 AM

True,

But if you don't register the coypright in a certain period of time...you can't file suit later:2 cents:

Hank_Heartland 11-24-2003 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Hank_MrSkin
True,

But if you don't register the copyright in a certain period of time...you can't file suit later:2 cents:


Veterans Day 11-24-2003 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
vet: but don you think that attitude is what gives this line of work such a bad name?
you want feedback on this problem or you all wanna hold hands and live in a bubble? Look this is not some small little 50 mile radius community, world fucking wide, im sayin your witch hunt to stop content theft is gonna far more costly and less effective than most of you think. Forget my attitude I give you the other side of the story, cause in your head your gung-ho about prosecutions. And as for changing peoples attitude towards theft you are sadly mistaken, make sure you take your fight on all stolen property and fraud. Including your groceries you pay to much for due to fraud, and then your car insurance cmon the list goes on and on. And if it was a viable situation to prosecute dont ya think it would be happening repeatedly?:glugglug


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