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RummyBoy 09-09-2014 07:45 AM

What Countries Would Be Safest In Nuclear War?
 
I'm not a Doomsday pepper....... im a Doomsday salt :1orglaugh

Geddit!!?! Geddit!?!?!

Seriously though...... Obviously Russia/USA/Israel are probably places you wouldn't want to be if nuked were flying, mainly because because those countries will have been programmed into some of them as the point of destination.

So the questions:

(1) Which countries would be LEAST likely to be nuked and hence which countries have the LEAST enemies out there with nuclear capabilities?

(2) Don't suggest Ethiopia, im talking about selecting from the most progressive of nations. So which?

(3) Not geographically close to another nation that WOULD be likely to be an enemy of a nation that has nuclear capabilities?

seeandsee 09-09-2014 07:50 AM

God knows when shit starts to drop, lots of countires have USA bases, all we will be strucked with nukes too... Russia will fall, USA will fall every mayor city, war will continue for years in destructed world...

MaDalton 09-09-2014 07:52 AM

New Zealand sounds pretty tempting - they have everything you need to live and unless there's a new Hobbit movie, you don't hear anything from there for the rest of the time

AllAboutCams 09-09-2014 07:56 AM

Nothing happens where i live.

Manfap 09-09-2014 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20220264)
New Zealand sounds pretty tempting - they have everything you need to live and unless there's a new Hobbit movie, you don't hear anything from there for the rest of the time

They also have a lot of listening devices there that will need to be blown up.

Chile is nice and out the way.

brassmonkey 09-09-2014 08:04 AM

remote places

bagfull 09-09-2014 08:13 AM

north pole

sperbonzo 09-09-2014 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 20220272)
They also have a lot of listening devices there that will need to be blown up.

Chile is nice and out the way.

Yup. I vote Chile also. Good place.







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wehateporn 09-09-2014 08:16 AM

Argentina and Chile, that's where the bankers funding the war will be :2 cents:

ottopottomouse 09-09-2014 08:27 AM

Need to think about where the wind will take the fallout as well as where will actually be bombed.

editeur 09-09-2014 08:29 AM

Israel, as ZOG won't nuke themselves.

k0nr4d 09-09-2014 08:42 AM

Switzerland would be the safest place. I've read that they have space in underground/mountain bunkers for every citizen, and the alps would provide natural blast shielding. Same goes for every mountainous region I guess - if Poland starts getting attacked seems logical for me to head towards the mountain ranges here...

PR_Glen 09-09-2014 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20220284)
Argentina and Chile, that's where the bankers funding the war will be :2 cents:

what good is being a rich banker if anything and everything you enjoyed in life is blown up?

who do you think you are fooling with this bullshit?

Antonio 09-09-2014 08:56 AM

USA, Russia, and Europe will be gone. I guess Putin will nuke the Chinese just in case too.

My first thought was Australia, but they might receive a nuke or two as well from the Russians, so that makes them a "maybe." New Zealand, after watching "The top of the lake" I'm not going near that place nukes or no nukes.

That leaves Chile, South Africa, and Argentina.

wehateporn 09-09-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20220329)
what good is being a rich banker if anything and everything you enjoyed in life is blown up?

A rich banker can always buy more stuff to replace what was blown up :2 cents:

scuba steve 09-09-2014 08:58 AM

south america i would think would be pretty untapped. australia too

nikki99 09-09-2014 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 20220282)
Yup. I vote Chile also. Good place.







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I have a flat for rent/sale when nuclear war starts :winkwink:

EddyTheDog 09-09-2014 09:15 AM

The west coast of New Zealand's South Island...

ottopottomouse 09-09-2014 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20220332)
A rich banker can always buy more stuff to replace what was blown up :2 cents:

You do understand that money will be worthless at that point?

Rochard 09-09-2014 09:35 AM

No where would be safe.

When that shit went down in Chernobyl, radiation was everywhere. And that was an accident. And that was an accident. Imagine if the US and Russia start nuking the shit out of each other. No place would be safe. Radiation would be everywhere. Oh, you might live through the first few strikes... but after a few months everything you eat would be deadly.

wehateporn 09-09-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 20220377)
You do understand that money will be worthless at that point?

I'm talking Children of Men rather than Mad Max

Focus 09-09-2014 09:41 AM

Just get the shavel on ur shoulder and start digging lol

RummyBoy 09-09-2014 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20220381)
And that was an accident. And that was an accident.

Lightning never strikes twice! Nuclear strike may though im not worried about radioactive food as im a big fan of popping candy :1orglaugh

RummyBoy 09-09-2014 09:56 AM

Chile - why?

Indonesia - Why not?

Austalia - I agree, it would be a total waste of ammo.

Canada - Why didn't you mention this? Canadians don't have many enemies and its not THAT close to the USA. It would also be a total waste of ammo, I mean why even bother?

2MuchMark 09-09-2014 09:58 AM



Still scary after all these years.

Denny 09-09-2014 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20220381)
No where would be safe.

When that shit went down in Chernobyl, radiation was everywhere. And that was an accident. And that was an accident. Imagine if the US and Russia start nuking the shit out of each other. No place would be safe. Radiation would be everywhere. Oh, you might live through the first few strikes... but after a few months everything you eat would be deadly.

:2 cents::2 cents:

dyna mo 09-09-2014 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20220381)
No where would be safe.

When that shit went down in Chernobyl, radiation was everywhere. And that was an accident. And that was an accident. Imagine if the US and Russia start nuking the shit out of each other. No place would be safe. Radiation would be everywhere. Oh, you might live through the first few strikes... but after a few months everything you eat would be deadly.

plenty of places would be safe from radioactivity.

Check it out: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ enter the largest yield possible (the russian tzar bomb 100mt, no one uses these sizes or test them anymore), we all use significantly smaller yield nukes now. And even with the tsar bomb, the fallout isn't that widespread. biggest nukes right now are 1mt, thus minimal fallout and not widespread. plenty of space left.

:)

nico-t 09-09-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20220279)
remote places

genius answer.


:1orglaugh

Jman 09-09-2014 10:55 AM

Just stay out of Canuckstikan... Please

aka123 09-09-2014 10:59 AM

Open sea. Buy a boat.

tornell 09-09-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bagfull (Post 20220281)
north pole

too much water :)

DWB 09-09-2014 11:21 AM

This is a tricky question.

It's not just about the blast radius or fallout, but also about if the country you are in can survive a total breakdown, because their economy will probably collapse and there is also a good chance it won't stop there. Meaning, when they can no longer import certain items (such as medicine), or do they buy power from other countries, where does their water come from, can they survive as a national while being 100% self sufficient, and last... will YOU, the foreigner, be a target should the shit hit the fan.

Obviously, remote is best. But will you be welcome there should there be very little rule of law due to a total economic breakdown caused by the war?

Lots to figure out. Not as easy as you think. A book has already been written on the best places in the USA should it break down, and it loosely touches on places abroad, but there is no solid answer.

RummyBoy 09-09-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20220513)
A book has already been written on the best places in the USA should it break down, and it loosely touches on places abroad, but there is no solid answer.

Best places in the USA? Holy shit......... I think Russia would be safer than the USA.

As for location and self sufficient so that's why:

Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Indonesia
Malaysia
What about Ireland?
What about Iceland?

Most of these countries are in a good location and most have some level of energy/agricultural independence.

phypon 09-09-2014 11:34 AM

A small country south of the equator.

aka123 09-09-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20220513)
Obviously, remote is best. But will you be welcome there should there be very little rule of law due to a total economic breakdown caused by the war?

Maybe you should case study Nazi-Germany or Soviet Union. Although not the only ones. Military steps in, curfews, etc. And there wont be total economic breakdown even in the countries hit. At least there is black market, although everything else may be government controlled, food coupons, etc.

DWB 09-09-2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20220519)
Best places in the USA? Holy shit......... I think Russia would be safer than the USA.

As for location and self sufficient so that's why:

Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Indonesia
Malaysia
What about Ireland?
What about Iceland?

Most of these countries are in a good location and most have some level of energy/agricultural independence.

Well that depends. A nuclear war can be a limited exchange, just military targets or select cities, or it could be a full out war. In the case of the latter, you're probably fucked anywhere you go. With a limited exchange, you very well could survive in the USA or Russia if you're in the right place.

I would stay out of places like Indonesia and Malaysia, as they have a very strong Muslim population there and extremism is growing rapidly. You may survive the war, but get beheaded later because your an infidel.

For the other places, you have to look into how they are supported as I posted before. Who makes what, where does their power, water and food come from, can they function on their own should the world fall apart around them, and how are foreigners welcomed there, or how may they be treated without law enforcement. For that part, if you're white, you are probably better off in a white area so you can blend in. You and everyone else will probably be in survival mode, so the last thing you will want to be is an easy target, like the only white guy in a village full of Asians.

EddyTheDog 09-09-2014 11:39 AM

I'm in central London ATM - I doubt I would even know there was a war...

DWB 09-09-2014 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20220528)
Maybe you should case study Nazi-Germany or Soviet Union. Although not the only ones. Military steps in, curfews, etc. And there wont be total economic breakdown even in the countries hit. At least there is black market, although everything else may be government controlled, food coupons, etc.

Different times. Different situation. Most of these countries now live or die by import / export, including power in some cases and medicine.

If a full nuclear exchange took place, the lights are going off in a lot of places. How long before countries who import their antibiotics run out of them? You think the banks are going to be open? It's going to cause chaos no matter where you are for a while. Eventually, hopefully, the military will step in to get things in order, but where do they buy their weapons, machine parts, and gas/oil from? You can only keep the peace for so long if you can't fuel your vehicles or keep your troops armed. Unless you make your own weapons and ammo, they can only be fired so many times. And so on.

You could break this down on many levels and find problems no matter which way you look, as you're not talking about a simple war, you're talking about complete destruction of infrastructure, ease of commerce, manufacturing, and everything else. There won't be private contractors sent in to rebuild the roads, pipelines, power grid, and on and on.

Using China as an example, they have to import much of their food because they are unable to grow what is needed to feed their population. How is that going to work out for them when they can't get anymore? It's going to be a nightmare. What kind of human rights violations do you think will take place in "safe countries" when the world can not see what is taking place and no on is going to get on their case about it?

Sure, eventually things will work out, but it will take a long, long time.

VikingMan 09-09-2014 11:51 AM

Yes the southern tip of South America is the best place but you can expect to have to compete with some extremely wealthy and powerful people for resources. My advice would be to get a job as one of their servants:2 cents:

DWB 09-09-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20220528)
Military steps in, curfews, etc. And there wont be total economic breakdown even in the countries hit. At least there is black market, although everything else may be government controlled, food coupons, etc.

BTW... you are right about black markets. That will happen. You won't have a choice because there won't be banking or a flow of goods at your local store. In the case of the USA, almost everything is imported, so most everything you buy on a day to day basis, even your bananas, are gone immediately.

The US National Guard will step in eventually, but like I said before, when you're out of fuel and have little to no communication, you're not going to be very effective long term. The EMP is going to knock out most communications upon detonation, so it's not like they are going to have the superior upper hand like they do currently. And lets be honest here, how many of them are going to go home to check on their families during such times? Probably a lot of them are going to go AWOL, and I don't blame them.


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