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Barefootsies 08-07-2014 05:52 AM

Upward Mobility Dead in the U.S.?
 
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To find the answer, the Hopkins researchers undertook a massive study. They followed nearly 800 kids in Baltimore ? from first grade until their late-20s.

They found that a child's fate is in many ways fixed at birth ? determined by family strength and the parents' financial status.

The kids who got a better start ? because their parents were married and working ? ended up better off. Most of the poor kids from single-parent families stayed poor.

Just 33 children ? out of nearly 800 ? moved from the low-income to high-income bracket. And a similarly small number born into low-income families had college degrees by the time they turned 28.
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slapass 08-07-2014 05:56 AM

But what percent of the population is in the high income bracket? If I took 800 random people how many would be high income? This seems to prove the opposite as 4% got to the top.

Edit ok I read it... nevermind hahahaha

MaDalton 08-07-2014 05:58 AM

no worries, the money will trickle down

slapass 08-07-2014 06:04 AM

The dumb thing is they wasted the article on two data points to create a human side and skipped any hard data.

editeur 08-07-2014 06:10 AM

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33 children — out of nearly 800 — moved from the low-income to high-income bracket.
4% is good enough. I wonder if there any stable country where poor ones have 4% chance to get rich.

wehateporn 08-07-2014 06:12 AM

Long gone are the days when 12Clicks could simply startup a TGP

johnnyloadproductions 08-07-2014 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 20184851)

You bucked this trend though, didn't you? :)

Barefootsies 08-07-2014 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20184863)
The dumb thing is they wasted the article on two data points to create a human side and skipped any hard data.

That seems to be how many of these articles are written now-a-days. Yahoo has to be one of the worst, especially when it comes to football coverage. Somehow they manage to work in Tebow, among many other things, that have absolutely no relevance to the article.

Anyway, it was an interesting read on upward mobiltiy, at least in regard to their narrow focus. A more interesting one would be the immigrants and gas stations, convenience and grocery stores. Those who come here as legal immigrants, and their ability to achieve the "American Dream".

:2 cents:

Barefootsies 08-07-2014 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20184876)
Long gone are the days when 12Clicks could simply startup a TGP

I doubt 12clicks is hurting for cash, and appears to be doing just fine.

Barefootsies 08-07-2014 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by editeur (Post 20184874)
4% is good enough. I wonder if there any stable country where poor ones have 4% chance to get rich.

That is an interesting thought. The U.S. compared to other countries and their upward mobility.

Bladewire 08-07-2014 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by editeur (Post 20184874)
I wonder if there any stable country where poor ones have 4% chance to get rich.

I depends on the masses accessibility to cheap video games, drugs and porn :winkwink:




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Robbie 08-07-2014 09:21 AM

The findings of this research report remind me of the character on the hotels.com commercials on television: Captain Obvious! lol

Next up...these researchers will do a study that will find that people who don't have any food are generally more hungry than people who do.

Barefootsies 08-07-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20185088)
Next up...these researchers will do a study that will find that people who don't have any food are generally more hungry than people who do.


ilnjscb 08-07-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20185088)
The findings of this research report remind me of the character on the hotels.com commercials on television: Captain Obvious! lol

Next up...these researchers will do a study that will find that people who don't have any food are generally more hungry than people who do.

I think they are intending to dispel the myth that America is the land of opportunity, that any given smart, hardworking poor person, or at least a large percentage of them, can "rise to the top".

Cue one of the 4%, who, though smart and hard-working, doesn't understand statistics:

"I was poor blablbabla and now I'm rich so that isn't right!" :thumbsup

Jman 08-07-2014 10:33 AM

Guns will be easily accessible to the poor kids so they can start making their monies ;)

L-Pink 08-07-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 20185196)
Guns will be easily accessible to the poor kids so they can start making their monies ;)

A good way to lower shooting stats would be to send these kids to marksmanship school. If they are skilled enough to hit what they aim at innocent bystanders will be safer and shooting stats will fall.

Want to go 50/50 on a string of inner-city marksmanship schools? We could offer student loans back by the government, everyone wins!

Rochard 08-07-2014 11:27 AM

My nephew just graduated from college.

Total sob story - single mom, lived in a trailer, nasty part of town... It was clear his mother was unable to help get him through college. He did well in school, worked full time in school, part time in the book store at the college to pay off part of his tuition, and also was dorm supervisor to get free room and board. He graduated with honors, and only owes $10k on a $100k degree. He landed a job with a Fortune 500 company working in their mergers and acquisitions department, and makes six figures.

Anyone can do it no matter what your circumstance. You just have to want it bad enough.

MiamiBoyz 08-07-2014 11:27 AM

Someone has to clean houses, join the armed forces, work and shop at Walmart, suck cocks for $10 bucks, sell crack, pick strawberry's,, and collect welfare checks.

Jman 08-07-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20185201)
A good way to lower shooting stats would be to send these kids to marksmanship school. If they are skilled enough to hit what they aim at innocent bystanders will be safer and shooting stats will fall.

Want to go 50/50 on a string of inner-city marksmanship schools? We could offer student loans back by the government, everyone wins!

WINNING!!! :thumbsup

Lesson number 1, you DON'T hold a gun sideways to shoot ;)

The Porn Nerd 08-07-2014 11:37 AM

Great - so "the Plan" by the 1% is working just fine. Cool.

12clicks 08-08-2014 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20184876)
Long gone are the days when 12Clicks could simply startup a TGP

its interesting to see what the bottom imagines the top does (or did)

12clicks 08-08-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20185290)
Great - so "the Plan" by the 1% is working just fine. Cool.

the plan of the 1% is to succeed. If you want to be in the 1%, work harder or smarter than you currently are.

it really is just that simple.

Bladewire 08-08-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20186351)
its interesting to see what the bottom imagines the top does (or did)

Wooops! different conversation, carry on!

Robbie 08-08-2014 08:37 AM

Upward mobility isn't dead.

I do believe the local, state, and federal govt. are not helping the situation with some of the repressive laws they pass here and there.

But yes, you can still work you way up from the bottom to the top.

Problem for 99.9% of people is...it takes an EXCEPTIONAL person to do so. And always has.
Most folks who start at the bottom are raised in an environment of govt. assistance. They see their parents and relatives and community receiving money, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. from the govt. from the time they are kids.

That makes a big impression on you. When you are a kid, your parents are your hero. And it becomes ingrained in them as kids.

It's a big conundrum, because these families actually do need that assistance. But at the same time it perpetuates it onto the next generation.

But there was never a huge percentage of people in history that moved from the bottom to the top.

As I said, it has always taken an exceptional person with ambition, drive, intelligence and the willingness to do whatever it takes to get to the top.
Those kind of people do still exist. And they are the ones who shun the govt. "assistance" when they become adults and see the bigger picture.

Those kind of people have no desire to live in a prison of their own creation and have the desire to become something in life. You can't do that when you are dependent on govt. assistance.

That's why it's so hard to break out.

But just like I did when I toured in bands...some people WANT something so bad that they will live in a tiny place and eat bologna sandwiches and sacrifice to move up.

They want it.

arock10 08-08-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20186351)
its interesting to see what the bottom imagines the top does (or did)

We don't want to imagine your gay sex fantasies

aka123 08-08-2014 08:49 AM

Upward mobility dead?

I would say that it has always been that way. Few "hero stories" don't make much difference. The results are pretty much the same in all over the world, although in more equal societies the variation is greater than in less equal societies.

aka123 08-08-2014 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 20184927)
That is an interesting thought. The U.S. compared to other countries and their upward mobility.

It's not just about "upward mobility". If 80 % population live in shit hole, some few getting up won't make much difference. Also the starting point has to be examined as well as the general well being and economics.

Robbie 08-08-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20186405)
Upward mobility dead?

I would say that it has always been that way. Few "hero stories" don't make much difference. The results are pretty much the same in all over the world, although in more equal societies the variation is greater than in less equal societies.

What society would you say is the most "equal"

And by "equal" do you mean bringing the standards down to a level that slackers and people who are just plain out lazy can attain?

Or do you mean a society that pushes people to succeed?

If you think about it...that's really the 2 differing arguments in Western Society:
Do you create "equality" by making everybody average...or do you demand excellence (which is not so good for people who don't have the ability or desire to attain it)?

arock10 08-08-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20186383)
Upward mobility isn't dead.

I do believe the local, state, and federal govt. are not helping the situation with some of the repressive laws they pass here and there.

But yes, you can still work you way up from the bottom to the top.

Problem for 99.9% of people is...it takes an EXCEPTIONAL person to do so. And always has.
Most folks who start at the bottom are raised in an environment of govt. assistance. They see their parents and relatives and community receiving money, food stamps, housing assistance, etc. from the govt. from the time they are kids.

That makes a big impression on you. When you are a kid, your parents are your hero. And it becomes ingrained in them as kids.

It's a big conundrum, because these families actually do need that assistance. But at the same time it perpetuates it onto the next generation.

But there was never a huge percentage of people in history that moved from the bottom to the top.

As I said, it has always taken an exceptional person with ambition, drive, intelligence and the willingness to do whatever it takes to get to the top.
Those kind of people do still exist. And they are the ones who shun the govt. "assistance" when they become adults and see the bigger picture.

Those kind of people have no desire to live in a prison of their own creation and have the desire to become something in life. You can't do that when you are dependent on govt. assistance.

That's why it's so hard to break out.

But just like I did when I toured in bands...some people WANT something so bad that they will live in a tiny place and eat bologna sandwiches and sacrifice to move up.

They want it.

I'm sure the wealthy and large corporation receive 0 gov assistance... Definitely nothing like long term tax rates at 15% while the rest of us pay up to 35%

Barefootsies 08-08-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20186383)
As I said, it has always taken an exceptional person with ambition, drive, intelligence and the willingness to do whatever it takes to get to the top.
Those kind of people do still exist. And they are the ones who shun the govt. "assistance" when they become adults and see the bigger picture.

Those kind of people have no desire to live in a prison of their own creation and have the desire to become something in life. You can't do that when you are dependent on govt. assistance.

Agreed. I remember my grandmother always talked down about those who accept government assistance and would not even rent to them. If she found out someone was on government handouts, especially a male (it was called general assistance at the time) she would go off about them being on the government tit, lazy, etc.. I remember my mother working double shifts around Christmas time so that we could have pretty much everything we wanted (within reason) @ the holidays.

In short, you make a valid point about your parents setting a good example.

:2 cents:

Barefootsies 08-08-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20185272)
Anyone can do it no matter what your circumstance. You just have to want it bad enough.

Very true. It's easy to talk about wanting to be on MTV Cribs. It's a wee bit harder to make it happen.

:Oh crap

aka123 08-08-2014 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz (Post 20185274)
Someone has to clean houses, join the armed forces, work and shop at Walmart, suck cocks for $10 bucks, sell crack, pick strawberry's,, and collect welfare checks.

Yes, but you could pay million per year for that. Well, not actually, not in current economy/ distribution. Point was just that salaries are not fixed in any way. Supply and demand makes them (in free markets.. well you don't have that, so there are other factors too).

Robbie 08-08-2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20186421)
I'm sure the wealthy and large corporation receive 0 gov assistance... Definitely nothing like long term tax rates at 15% while the rest of us pay up to 35%

Not sure what that has to do with upward mobility?

And your argument about corp. paying taxes...I don't agree with it.
Never have and never will. In my opinion the govt. already creates enough obstacles for business to thrive and employ more people with good paying jobs.

And even IF the federal govt. gets MORE tax money...what then? Oh yeah, let's bomb the fuck out of Iraq because our govt. CREATED the problem by invading it in the first place and destroying their society.

Yeah...taxes and big govt. , because the govt. deserves to get money that it didn't earn and then use it to kill people worldwide.

Sorry, I just don't think like that. I'm a liberal-minded person. And that "Give the govt. all the money and let them rule the world" shit is anti-liberal.

aka123 08-08-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20186416)
What society would you say is the most "equal"

And by "equal" do you mean bringing the standards down to a level that slackers and people who are just plain out lazy can attain?

Or do you mean a society that pushes people to succeed?

If you think about it...that's really the 2 differing arguments in Western Society:
Do you create "equality" by making everybody average...or do you demand excellence (which is not so good for people who don't have the ability or desire to attain it)?

I was talking about economical and general equality. And by equality I meant equality, I haven't made up that term. I can tell my own viewpoint later, but now I gotta go.

Robbie 08-08-2014 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20186439)
I was talking about economical and general equality. And by equality I meant equality, I haven't made up that term. I can tell my own viewpoint later, but now I gotta go.

I guess I was asking which society has that. And how do you achieve it?

People are not equal. Some people are tall and very athletic and can play pro basketball and make 100 million dollars a year doing it.

Some people are super smart and can do things that create a lot of wealth..and they are hired by big companies and make a lot of money.

Some women are beautiful and become models and make millions of dollars based on their looks.

People just are NOT equal.

So the only way to make the exactly "equal" would be a society where everyone is un-remarkable in every way.
You would have to lower the bar.

So that there wouldn't be any "upward mobility" because there would be no "upward" to reach for.

I'm extrapolating that out to it's logical conclusion.

Rochard 08-08-2014 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 20186428)
Very true. It's easy to talk about wanting to be on MTV Cribs. It's a wee bit harder to make it happen.

:Oh crap

I think Robbie said it above... It takes an "exceptional" person.

My nephew He saw how his mother was living, and all of the mistakes she made, and said to himself "I want something better". His sister - my niece - moved clear across the country, from California to near where I grew up in NJ as a kid. The reason why is she had to get away from her mother. Their mother isn't a bad person - no drugs - but she just can't seem to get her shit together long enough to accomplish anything.

Rochard 08-08-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz (Post 20185274)
Someone has to clean houses, join the armed forces, work and shop at Walmart, suck cocks for $10 bucks, sell crack, pick strawberry's,, and collect welfare checks.

There is nothing wrong with the military.... The military is great.

Some kids can't afford college after high school, and the military can help them. Others have no idea what to do and can't make it on their own.

I fell into the second group. I had left home at age fifteen, had zero direction, was into drugs, and was looking at a lifetime of dead end jobs. The military taught me how to take care of myself - put a roof over my head, fed me, gave me clothes... And taught me responsibility.

I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't join the military.

aka123 08-08-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20186443)
I guess I was asking which society has that. And how do you achieve it?

People are not equal. Some people are tall and very athletic and can play pro basketball and make 100 million dollars a year doing it.

Some people are super smart and can do things that create a lot of wealth..and they are hired by big companies and make a lot of money.

Some women are beautiful and become models and make millions of dollars based on their looks.

People just are NOT equal.

So the only way to make the exactly "equal" would be a society where everyone is un-remarkable in every way.
You would have to lower the bar.

So that there wouldn't be any "upward mobility" because there would be no "upward" to reach for.

I'm extrapolating that out to it's logical conclusion.

Equality is a concept. It is not on/off switch, it is a scale. Equality in social context doesn't include genetics. We are not the same of course. Nevermind the rest of the animals, those have societes as well by the way.

So, we are talking about a scale, that measures equality and in this case amongst humans.

If we really get into this: forcing somebody down, as you made total equality to mean, isn't equality, because then not everyone has the same opportunities, which is unequal.

arock10 08-08-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20186438)
Not sure what that has to do with upward mobility?

And your argument about corp. paying taxes...I don't agree with it.
Never have and never will. In my opinion the govt. already creates enough obstacles for business to thrive and employ more people with good paying jobs.

And even IF the federal govt. gets MORE tax money...what then? Oh yeah, let's bomb the fuck out of Iraq because our govt. CREATED the problem by invading it in the first place and destroying their society.

Yeah...taxes and big govt. , because the govt. deserves to get money that it didn't earn and then use it to kill people worldwide.

Sorry, I just don't think like that. I'm a liberal-minded person. And that "Give the govt. all the money and let them rule the world" shit is anti-liberal.

People were talking about poorer people being on government assistance.

You think if revenues are cut from the government they will cut the military or social services? I'm pretty sure the military and bombing campaigns will survive a lot better then food stamps

Robbie 08-08-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20186538)
You think if revenues are cut from the government they will cut the military or social services? I'm pretty sure the military and bombing campaigns will survive a lot better then food stamps

I think you are 100% right about that.

And I'm also thinking that our federal govt. has managed to pretty much set the world on fire with our foreign policy over the last 12 years.

That's just one of the reasons I think our govt. is out of control.

Spying on people, invading countries that did not attack us (Afghanistan never attacked us and neither did Iraq), trying to bully every country on Earth economically to do what we want them to do.

This is NOT what our country was founded on.

I think that we the people of the United States still believe in those founding principles, but our govt. does not.

They think they can run our lives here in the U.S. AND run everyone's lives around the world.

The results are plain to see: Our country is bankrupted and in 17 trillion dollars of debt, we are searched at airports like criminals, the police are abusive and deadly, our prisons are full (we are NUMBER ONE at incarcerating our own citizens), we are spied on by our own govt., and most of the people in the world do not like us.

And now we are gonna continue with the insanity of Iraq?
Those people do not want us there. We are "infidels" and "crusaders".

This is what happens when you give the govt. too much power and too much money.


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