Congratulations to Syria

I think we should let it play out...and stay completely out of it unless it begins to draw in those that we are allied with.

Here's how it works.
Secular dictators good, extremist religious nutjobs bad.
Same thing with Hussein, and now Iraq is in a civil war thanks to Chimpy Bush Jr and his pals, not to mention 5000 plus u.s. soldiers dead along with 100k plus Iraqis.

Russia is right, arm and protect the government from the Muslim wingnuts.

and Egypt?

Egyptians have been protesting against their puppet government since their installment. In fact I met an egyptian today who said he fled the country 5 months ago because it was unsafe for his family and their Christain beliefs.

American killed in Egypt protests
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...illed/2473533/

But you won't see that on Trayvon Martin news channels.

Eh, the Egyptian government is composed of radical right wing religious nut jobs, so no, they are hardly secular.

What will happen Sunday? Is Morsi history or do the tanks roll?

Good question. Morsi insists that his govt is democratic, yet he had consistently oppressed his own people so in practice he's pretty much full of it.

If the people are fighting for real freedom and not religious ideology then they have reason, but as you are probably well aware, the middle east is by and large one big hornet's nest buzzing with some of the most fanatical and dangerous elements on the planet.

When I was in the Marines one DI told me that "if given enough time, you can move a mountain with your bare hands". And if you think about it, he was wright - if you give me 100 years, I would be able to physically move a mountain one handful at a time.

Given enough time, the Syrians will all kill each other.

PREVENT ThE MASSACRE, ATTACK THEM !
IT HAPPENED BEFORE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombin...n_World_War_II

Kurds, Kuwait - as i keep saying over and over there are no 'good guys' in the Middle East.

and yes, the best thing for the US and the rest of the world to do is let them destroy each other and seize their oil fields.

Syria is state under war, i don't know what else you expect, its shit there and too much power around it to 1 side get it win

Baddog, just a two question for you: Who are "we"? and who allowed these "we" to decide anything for another country?

Not that I can answer for him, but since the majority of "we" on this US based forum are Americans, I'd think it's fairly safe to assume that "we" are the US.

At least that's what I think.

They should care about their own country as it's falling into totalitarianism which is promising to be much worse than we had in the USSR.

lol this coming from a Russian is hysterical.

but let's put it into a Cold War perspective - 'we' equals the winners, 'you' equals the losers

even though, as usual, when a country loses a conflict to the United States it always ends with the defeated country enjoying better times. funny how that works huh

Do you really consider it funny?

Please remind me when and how exactly the cold war has ended?

"We" killed many more civilians than that in Iraq. So yea, let it play out. As always, it's none of our business. The Syrians should have thought it through a little more before trying to topple their government. I doubt the USA would approve of China and Russia interfering should US citizens ever take arms against their government.

That said, I think we all know the US will get involved. The war machine is salivating right now, and the government contractors who will come in to rebuild are already beating off as they prepare their bids.

How many civilians did "we" kill in Iraq over 10 years?

We would be anyone from a country other than Russia or China; you know, the countries that are not enabling the government from killing their civilians

you've really gone off the deep end recently with your anti-american rhetoric.

2c.

If you really pay attention to DWB's posts you will learn that he is pretty much a fruitcake.

i'm not trying to get into the middle of anything, he makes cogent posts and can carry on an argument without having to resort to making it personal, although, like me, has no problem going there if need be.

i know y'all don't get along but i get along with both of y'all.

Over 100,000 civilians murdered since "we" started the war. Any death since we invaded them in blood on US hands. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but that's the way it is. Those 100,000+ would still be alive today if GI Joe didn't invade looking for WMDs that didn't exist.

Not really. I live outside the propaganda bubble and see things through different eyes. Viewing America while living in it vs viewing America while living out of it, are two totally different experiences. It just so happens there have been a lot of bad things happening as of late and there is a lot to talk about, none of it positive. Perhaps you're OK with how things are going there, but from where I sit, it isn't the America I was born and raised in, or proud of.

There is so much hate around the world for Americans right now that I usually tell people I'm from Canada, especially when I'm in Islamic regions of Asia. The Obama craze died off pretty quick and now people see him as just another war monger, which he is.

Every day it's something new I shake my head at. Today it was this: http://rt.com/usa/disclose-facial-pr...cognition-387/

Everyone told me before that if I don't like it, leave. So I did. Now many more are leaving as well and in record numbers. So I know it's not just me who's fed up.

Says the guy who faked his own death on a message board. Anything you could ever say about anyone is invalid after that. Sorry. You made your bed, now you have to lay in it.

Nuke the middle East now or they will eventually have us all praying to Allah.

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This might get interesting

Iran to deploy '4,000-strong force’ to Syria as US military set to stay in Jordan

http://rt.com/news/iran-troop-deployment-syria-782/

Look at the shit going on over there too... they are a bunch of animals

http://rt.com/news/syria-beheadings-video-assad-401/

I am not even going to bother arguing with you since "we" is rather vague, but even if we were to associate every civilian death with US military actions it is not shit compared to 36,000+ killed by their own government in 2 years. Multiple it by 5 and you have more than 180,000 in 10 years . . . KILLED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

Yes, I agree that "we" is too vague, and I certainly didn't vote for or approve any of that, and I doubt you did either. You don't strike me as a pro-war type.

I'll also agree that being killed by your own government is worse than being killed by the US government, but at the end of the day, dead is dead. Whatever flag the person who killed you salutes is no longer relevant when you're in the dirt. All of it is meaningless.

Pol Pot killed 1/3 of the Cambodian population (a few million) in the 70s within a couple of years and no one did anything about it. Lord knows how many have died in Africa. All of this stuff is just heart breaking, but where do you draw the line? At what point is it OK to help and at what point does it become just another US invasion? My gut says we should not get involved in the Middle East, but if you look at other times where we didn't and millions of people died, you could also say that blood is on the world's hands as well. And who pays for it all? Iraq and Afghanistan both were supposed to be fairy quick wars and none of it worked out the way they thought it would. There is nothing to guarantee Syria wouldn't be the same, and I seriously doubt the US can afford another war.

Tricky situation. However, I don't think anything is going to settle the Middle East other than iron fist dictators. As shitty as that is to say, that seems to be the only thing that works. They're not ready for democracy yet. Cutting off heads, stoning people in some areas, some of them are truly barbaric. So you help them only to have it backfire on your later like it did with Afghanistan and Osama. It's one of those can't win from losing situations.

Of course there is the other thought of, don't take arms against your government unless you're willing to pay the price. After all, this is an uprising from the people against the government. How can the USA support that? The same US officials supporting those rebels would not support Americans taking arms against their government. And then of courser, the rebels could stop fighting, but they fight on and on. I can understand why the White House is uneasy about this, as it's just too complex to run in guns blazing.

i've voiced my frustration and embarrasment and more about the problems *we* are facing in threads you partipate in so i'm pretty sure you know that i am not ok with how things are going.

and it's laughable that you think that somehow you get the good news and just because i live here i don't and my view is sanitized. i'd be very surprised if anyone not trolling would say i come across as uninformed.

i stopped being proud for a nation years ago, just because i randomly happened to be born in-between some dashed lines on a map really doesn't account for much in the thick of things.

i travel as well, i don't get into the where are you from and what do you do for a living banter but when asked i have zero problems saying i am an american and i've not encountered any issues *admitting* that. not discounting your experiences, whatever works for you, just sharing mine as well.

Pigshit.

nice post

So only once side is doing the killing ... Amazing concept of war ... and not considering that unlawfull fighters and soldiers are included in the numbers.

How did the cold war end? We can start with the Dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Soviet cut military spending dramatically, the restructuring of the economy leaving millions unemployed, and a recession more severe than the Great Depression.

LOL.

You mean the ones that don't use drones to kill their people? Oh, I got it now

FYI: Here in Russia we have no death penalty - you ("the others") have it

Why are you so stupid? Do you learn history by Fox news? The end of the Cold War has been declared by Gorbochev and George H. W. Bush on Malta Summit in 1989. I don't remember any mention of the "winner" and the "loser" there. It's just ended by the mutual agreement between both USSR and USA.



The Soviet Union was dissolved on 8 December 1991 (two years later the Cold War has ended) by the agreement between the presidents of Russia (Yeltsin), Ukraine (Kravchuk) and Belarus (Shushkevich) according to the results of the national referendum which was held on 17 March 1991 where the majority said "NO" to the USSR (the is what I call democracy).

You could participate in it only if your real name is Shushkevich and the real name of Mutt is Kravchuk.

Learn the history, clown

That would be my suggestion.

There are no "good guys" in this battle.

That's not what I meant. It's not just about news, it's about everything that makes the country what it is. There is a reason 64% of Americans repeatedly say the USA is the greatest country on earth, yet they don't have a passport and have nothing to compare it to. It is because their entire life they have lived in a propaganda bubble. And even for those with a passport, a 7 day holiday in Mexico or France doesn't count.

Huge Kudos for that realization. National pride is silly. Each and every one of us could have just as easily been born in Sri Lanka, but by sheer luck we were born elsewhere. Though, I do hope theking is reincarnated and is reborn in Calcutta.

What is it they say, fight for your planet, not your country.

Eh, that's not the same. It's great you travel and see things outside of your borders, but living outside of those borders 365 days a year and living among people not catering to tourists, is a different experience. Tourists always see sunshine and rainbows, as they are supposed to. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just a holiday and everyone there is paid to make your stay pleasant. You want a wake up call, go hitch hike across Indonesia or India. Tell them you're from Canada and sit back and wait for the US bashing to begin.

I don't consider myself American anymore other than the fact they still own me, as I still have my passport for the moment. But I am now an outsider looking in at America, instead of just an American living abroad. Look here on GFY at all the Europeans and Canadians who jab at the US. It's for a reason, and usually justified. It's just incredibly difficult to support a murderous war machine who kidnaps and tortures people and holds them without charge, while spying on their own citizens, authorizing drone strikes, bailing out banks and big business while people suffer and lose their homes, while the homeless increase in record numbers on the street. At the same time they keep building prisons, dress the police in military gear and give them war wagons, confiscate weapons during emergencies, grope children at the airport, and generally exert overwhelming force for just about everything. Sorry, I can't support any of that. That's just not who I am or what I want to be part of. That isn't what the USA was supposed to be.

I'm not comparing the USA to North Korea, so don't take this as such, but when North Koreans defect, they have to go through 6 months of re-education in South Korea before they can be set free with the rest of the people. They have been propagandized since birth and don't really know what is true, what is false, what is real, what is not. They have to re-learn everything. On a much, much smaller scale, and through their own realization, the same thing happens to many US expats after they are gone long enough. You're obviously on the right path and you question a lot of things already, so I have no doubt you would be one of those guys if you moved out, and would see your country with new eyes after a few years. And chances are, your POV wouldn't be a pretty one.

Do you really think that the so called "rebels" are not killing civilians? They post videos of beheadings just like the other shitheads before them... every story has two coins, but I agree with most of the psoters here - the US should not intervene, the sad part is that the UN is total useless bitch and won't do nothing either.

Just sitting by and watching thousands of people getting killed - not really a solution, we all saw how that played out in Rwanda, hopefully the World will come up with a better form of policing real soon - drop a huge international army that stops all the bloodshed and the country that has caused all the shit should foot the bill.

If the US intervenes now, then all the Americans will pay for it with nothing to gain

Good post.

Absolutely correct. Everyone who don't understand it is a fuckin' moron

Actually American foreign policy harmed a lot when it comes to secullarisation of middle east, let alone this recent moderate islamism policy was obviously failed since from beginning.

as an ordinary citizen i could realize this will turn bad and no religious nutjob group can be named together with democracy, but it's interesting how these so called strategists/thinkers couldn't make any realistic guesses, i doudt these people even aware of where is the middle east located on the World map seriously.

Asad is a good man, i saw him on tv, he fluently speaks English, he and his crew are secullar, Baath regime in Syria encourages western style of living, Women have better rights in there, u wouldn't worry while you havving your alcohol drink in Syria, Syrian christians in favour of Asad because he is tolarating all bleefs.

and the nutjobs WHO they fight with are mostly radical islamist assholes some are tied to Alqaida.

so when you compare him with his competedors, Asad is the best of the worse, too bad West couldn't agree on something with him although he was actually friendly to West which he wanted to establish good relationships.

i hope you don't think i was trying to discount your experience.

specifically, if the common folk of indonesia trash talk the usa, then, you know what, that's fine.

the fact is it doesn't matter. so what, really. you know what i am getting at? it was a painful lesson for me as a teen to realize not everybody likes me. but that's a universal condition. if people want to judge me based on my answering the question, "where are you from", well maybe i should move on anyhoo.

but even without looking it up, i am sure indonesia has its own fair share of problems, most of which are not my fault nor america's.

and btw. seing him at the level of Saddam is wrong totally, Saddam killed innocent kurdish civilians with Kemicles even while Asad was hoped to be a reformist by his people since he took .

i meant a video taken from Syrian tv previously btw.

Provided to him by... guess the country.

is anyone here aware that there would be no war in Syria if it was not fueled from outside?