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  • Antonio
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    • Oct 2001
    • 14136
    #1

    Russian army as good as the US army?????

    according to this site (nuclear capabilities not taken into account):
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

    Yet, the Russian defense budget is 10 times smaller, is this for real? I guess it really depends on the factors that they take in to account, but still the indices are almost identical.
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    • Scott McD
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      • Nov 2002
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      To be fair, they probably spend less time making 'whoop' noises and giving each other 'high fives'.


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            • oscer
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              I could see it being possible for the army branch of the military , but only army
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                • Matyko
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                  Hungary is not on the list, I think we might be stronger than Tuvalu but not sure
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                    • _Richard_
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                      • Oct 2006
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by Antonio
                      according to this site (nuclear capabilities not taken into account):
                      http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

                      Yet, the Russian defense budget is 10 times smaller, is this for real? I guess it really depends on the factors that they take in to account, but still the indices are almost identical.
                      so,

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine

                      this is the russian new sub, costs 800 million to build

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine

                      this is the american equivalent, priced out for '97 prices, at 2 billion

                      it does far less, has far less, and yet.. costs a lot more

                      you tell me who has the better military.

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                        • _Richard_
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                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30989
                          #7
                          then, you get into 'top and bottom'

                          so, for the us, you have air craft carriers sailing around like they own the place

                          and then you have the 'bottoms', who just have to design something that takes out those carriers:

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                          these have been in theater for years.. it's amusing reading about how they 'negate' these missiles

                          the missiles costs are in the thousands, and they go so fast the only defense is sorties spot the supersonic missile, and your anti-missile systems shoot em down.. and that's extremely difficult to do, as they're programmed to just deal with US carriers

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                            • 2013
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                              • Dec 2012
                              • 4390
                              #8
                              good information i think i learned something.

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                                • dyna mo
                                  just a fucking jerk
                                  • Dec 2008
                                  • 68184
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                  so,

                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine

                                  this is the russian new sub, costs 800 million to build

                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine

                                  this is the american equivalent, priced out for '97 prices, at 2 billion

                                  it does far less, has far less, and yet.. costs a lot more

                                  you tell me who has the better military.
                                  24 Trident missiles per boat, versus only 16 missiles for the Borei

                                  yeah, far less huh.

                                  and fyi, we won the cold war with that boat.

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                                    • _Richard_
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                                      • Oct 2006
                                      • 30989
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                      24 Trident missiles per boat, versus only 16 missiles for the Borei

                                      yeah, far less huh.

                                      and fyi, we won the cold war with that boat.
                                      ...

                                      you can have 3 subs, at a total of 48 silos, at the same cost of 1 sub, with 24 silos

                                      btw, does the US version come with a silent drive?

                                      that's important stuff.

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                                        • dyna mo
                                          just a fucking jerk
                                          • Dec 2008
                                          • 68184
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by 2013
                                          good information i think i learned something.
                                          i hope it's not anything from richard's post here. but srsly. no.

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                                            • dyna mo
                                              just a fucking jerk
                                              • Dec 2008
                                              • 68184
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by _Richard_
                                              ...

                                              you can have 3 subs, at a total of 48 silos, at the same cost of 1 sub, with 24 silos

                                              btw, does the US version come with a silent drive?

                                              that's important stuff.

                                              we have fuzzy dice on the rearview mirror of ours richard, with an fat exhaust can because, umm, again, we won the cold war with that boat richard. you can believe your own bs or history. i'm not gloating. just pointing out history.

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                                                • _Richard_
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                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                  • 30989
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                  we have fuzzy dice on the rearview mirror of ours richard, with an fat exhaust can because, umm, again, we won the cold war with that boat richard. you can believe your own bs or history. i'm not gloating. just pointing out history.
                                                  what in the world would you have to gloat about?

                                                  you disputed the facts, and once basic math was introduced, you reverted to insulting me

                                                  now now.. before you post another 6 responses, i don't care.

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                                                    • MaDalton
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                                                      #14
                                                      who gives a shit when both parties have enough nuclear bombs to erase the whole planet 10 times over?
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                                                        • dyna mo
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                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                          • 68184
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                          who gives a shit when both parties have enough nuclear bombs to erase the whole planet 10 times over?
                                                          1/2 of 1 of those ohio class boats could do that. ugh. it's beyond stupid

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                                                            • dyna mo
                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                              • 68184
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                              what in the world would you have to gloat about?

                                                              you disputed the facts, and once basic math was introduced, you reverted to insulting me

                                                              now now.. before you post another 6 responses, i don't care.
                                                              i provided facts richard, you went off on the ohio class like you are a jane's author, the difference being jane's gets it right. you yapped about the awesomeness of the borei

                                                              basic math, scmath the funniest part about you acting like you know wtf you are talking abuot is there is only 1 fucking borei in the russian fleet

                                                              we have 18 ohio class subs


                                                              now do the basic math on that.

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                                                                • _Richard_
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                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                  • 30989
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                  i provided facts richard, you went off on the ohio class like you are a jane's author, the difference being jane's gets it right. you yapped about the awesomeness of the borei

                                                                  basic math, scmath the funniest part about you acting like you know wtf you are talking abuot is there is only 1 fucking borei in the russian fleet

                                                                  we have 18 ohio class subs


                                                                  now do the basic math on that.
                                                                  18 subs.. how many aircraft carriers?

                                                                  ga no, go find someone else to agree with

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                                                                    • dyna mo
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                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                      • 68184
                                                                      #18
                                                                      richard i am not trying to get you to agree with me. i haven't even provided my opinion on the op. i've provided a few facts to counter your opinion.

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                                                                        • atom
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                                                                          • Apr 2002
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                          so,

                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine

                                                                          this is the russian new sub, costs 800 million to build

                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine

                                                                          this is the american equivalent, priced out for '97 prices, at 2 billion

                                                                          it does far less, has far less, and yet.. costs a lot more

                                                                          you tell me who has the better military.
                                                                          Not sure exactly how you know what either sub does as a lot of the features/capabilities are classified.

                                                                          Also a few replies down you say that you could build 3 subs that cost $800 million for the price of one $2 billion dollar sub
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                                                                            • Zyzz
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                                                                              • 5223
                                                                              #20
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                                                                                • _Richard_
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                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                  • 30989
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by atom
                                                                                  Not sure exactly how you know what either sub does as a lot of the features/capabilities are classified.

                                                                                  Also a few replies down you say that you could build 3 subs that cost $800 million for the price of one $2 billion dollar sub
                                                                                  2 billion price tag quotes a 1997 pricing sheet.. so looking at price increases for planes, missiles, etc.. the sub isn't 2 billion

                                                                                  the 'classified' shit i was reading pegged the sub at 2.85 billion, etc.

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                                                                                    • L-Pink
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                                                                                        • _Richard_
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                                                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                                                          • 30989
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                          richard i am not trying to get you to agree with me. i haven't even provided my opinion on the op. i've provided a few facts to counter your opinion.
                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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                                                                                            • rogueteens
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                                                                                              #24
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                                                                                                • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2010
                                                                                                  • 3405
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                  we won the cold war with that boat.
                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                  again, we won the cold war with that boat
                                                                                                  Kewl. What did we win?

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                                                                                                    • _Richard_
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                                                                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                                                                      • 30989
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                      Kewl. What did we win?
                                                                                                      the chance at paying for all of Russia' aging nuclear fleet to be disassembled.. in europe?

                                                                                                      no that's crazy.. we'd never agree to that

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                                                                                                        • bushwacker
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                          Kewl. What did we win?
                                                                                                          The cold war? cha-ching.

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                                                                                                            • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                              in war its not who has the most but who can do with the least...
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                                                                                                                • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                  • 30989
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                                  in war its not who has the most but who can do with the least...


                                                                                                                  those who ignore history and all that

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                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                      Kewl. What did we win?
                                                                                                                      not even a nice try to *gotcha*

                                                                                                                      that's why i included the not gloating part in a previous reply. i noticed you conventiently skipped over that. like richard did.

                                                                                                                      keep trying, i know you think you are super troll, so keep it up. enjoy yourself. i am.

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                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          richard, you're way past your 6 posts = trolling bullshit huh, apply your rule to yourself this time eh.




                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          so,

                                                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine

                                                                                                                          this is the russian new sub, costs 800 million to build

                                                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine

                                                                                                                          this is the american equivalent, priced out for '97 prices, at 2 billion

                                                                                                                          it does far less, has far less, and yet.. costs a lot more

                                                                                                                          you tell me who has the better military.
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          then, you get into 'top and bottom'

                                                                                                                          so, for the us, you have air craft carriers sailing around like they own the place

                                                                                                                          and then you have the 'bottoms', who just have to design something that takes out those carriers:

                                                                                                                          http://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordp...ican-hegemony/

                                                                                                                          these have been in theater for years.. it's amusing reading about how they 'negate' these missiles

                                                                                                                          the missiles costs are in the thousands, and they go so fast the only defense is sorties spot the supersonic missile, and your anti-missile systems shoot em down.. and that's extremely difficult to do, as they're programmed to just deal with US carriers
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          ...

                                                                                                                          you can have 3 subs, at a total of 48 silos, at the same cost of 1 sub, with 24 silos

                                                                                                                          btw, does the US version come with a silent drive?

                                                                                                                          that's important stuff.
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          what in the world would you have to gloat about?

                                                                                                                          you disputed the facts, and once basic math was introduced, you reverted to insulting me

                                                                                                                          now now.. before you post another 6 responses, i don't care.
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          18 subs.. how many aircraft carriers?

                                                                                                                          ga no, go find someone else to agree with
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          2 billion price tag quotes a 1997 pricing sheet.. so looking at price increases for planes, missiles, etc.. the sub isn't 2 billion

                                                                                                                          the 'classified' shit i was reading pegged the sub at 2.85 billion, etc.
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                          the chance at paying for all of Russia' aging nuclear fleet to be disassembled.. in europe?

                                                                                                                          no that's crazy.. we'd never agree to that
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_


                                                                                                                          those who ignore history and all that




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                                                                                                                            • Dvae
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                                                              according to this site (nuclear capabilities not taken into account):
                                                                                                                              http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

                                                                                                                              Yet, the Russian defense budget is 10 times smaller, is this for real? I guess it really depends on the factors that they take in to account, but still the indices are almost identical.
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                                                                                                                                • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                  • 68184
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dvae
                                                                                                                                  Does this answer your question? more here



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                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                      Kewl. What did we win?
                                                                                                                                      have you figured out yet what the winner of the arms race won? hint....arms race.....

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                                                                                                                                        • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2010
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          You're the one saying we won. Why aren't you able to say what we won?

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                                                                                                                                            • qwe
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                              24 Trident missiles per boat, versus only 16 missiles for the Borei

                                                                                                                                              yeah, far less huh.

                                                                                                                                              and fyi, we won the cold war with that boat.
                                                                                                                                              it's still on in a different form, you just won round one...

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                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                  • 75754
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                                                                                  according to this site (nuclear capabilities not taken into account):
                                                                                                                                                  http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

                                                                                                                                                  Yet, the Russian defense budget is 10 times smaller, is this for real? I guess it really depends on the factors that they take in to account, but still the indices are almost identical.
                                                                                                                                                  The article says the United States has the most powerful military force, not that Russia is "as good as".

                                                                                                                                                  All of us armchair warriors can sit here and debate who has the most powerful military, and we are all wrong. It's not really about how has the "biggest" or the "best" or the "most powerful". The US was defeated in Vietnam, The Soviet Union was defeated in Afghanistan, and China and India haven't really fought a real wear in the past fifty years. It has little to do with "most powerful" and everything to do with the determination of the government, support of the general public, geography, supply, fiances, and technology - or perhaps even the lack of technology.

                                                                                                                                                  At the very same time, it's hard to compare defense budgets. If I understand correctly, the lowest ranking position in the Russian army pays about $30 USD, while the lowest rank in the US army makes $1500 USD. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong, I might be totally off here.) The Russian defense budget might be 10 times smaller than the US, but that same amount buys 100 times as much.
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                                                                                                                                                        • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 32385
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                                                                                          Yet, the Russian defense budget is 10 times smaller, is this for real?
                                                                                                                                                          The budget size doesn't really matter actually. Just compare how much one private cost to the US and to Russia. Soldiers in the USA get paid for their service, in Russia they serve for free. Food, infrastructure, equipment and weapon is also much more expensive for the US military budget. However it doesn't mean that expensive M16 is better than cheap AK. The same applies to aircrafts, tanks, missile defense systems etc.
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                                                                                                                                                            • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                              and fyi, we won the cold war with that boat.
                                                                                                                                                              What do you mean on "won"? It's just ended by the mutual agreement of the USSR and the USA. As you remember, Gorbachev has allowed to break the Berlin Wall and the clod war was stropped.

                                                                                                                                                              Personally I think that Berlin Wall was a real shame and I really wonder why it hasn't been destroyed by the USSR right after Stalin's death.
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                                                                                                                                                                • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2010
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Because it wasn't built when Stalin died. (I'm tired, so apologies if I missing an irony in that comment somewhere.)

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                                                                                                                                                                    • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 32385
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                      The Soviet Union was defeated in Afghanistan.
                                                                                                                                                                      Where do you get that information? What do you mean on defeated? Haven't the USSR controlled the biggest part of Afghanistan when Gorbachev has agreed to stop this useless war? Do you know how long the Afghanistan government formed by the USSR has been able to hold out without ANY help (even financial) from Soviets? Dig the facts please and you will be surprised. The Amin's government has been overthrown. Najibullah took power in Afghanistan. Soviet army has controlled almost the whole country (not even comparable with the current USA situation there). Soviets were able to continue controlling the country and supporting Najibullah as long as they consider it necessary.

                                                                                                                                                                      Goals have changed. Army was withdrawn. Mission accomplished.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                          Kewl. What did we win?
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                          You're the one saying we won. Why aren't you able to say what we won?
                                                                                                                                                                          because i like letting you think you are mad gfy troller.

                                                                                                                                                                          kewl.

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by qwe
                                                                                                                                                                          it's still on in a different form, you just won round one...
                                                                                                                                                                          i understand that, you might want to reply to the op then, you sound like you might have some info along those lines.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                                                                                                              What do you mean on "won"? It's just ended by the mutual agreement of the USSR and the USA. As you remember, Gorbachev has allowed to break the Berlin Wall and the clod war was stropped.

                                                                                                                                                                              Personally I think that Berlin Wall was a real shame and I really wonder why it hasn't been destroyed by the USSR right after Stalin's death.
                                                                                                                                                                              i mean the ussr collapsed as a result of over spending on military and not being able to continue funding its nuclear program, umm, you know that right?

                                                                                                                                                                              i'm sure i am not the only one on gfy who knows this.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  You're the only one saying I'm trolling (so you can try to evade the question).

                                                                                                                                                                                  You said we won the cold war. So quit evading. Either explain what you think we won, or admit you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                                      Because it wasn't built when Stalin died. (I'm tired, so apologies if I missing an irony in that comment somewhere.)
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry my bad. Course I mean Brezhnev. No even Khrushchev, because he was the same sort as Stalin. Till 1982 (actually till 1980-1981) Brezhnev was the one who has tried to leave the things as they are and don't change anything. After his death there were no real hindrance to destroy the Wall.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Something you guys always over look when trying to compare the US to other armies..

                                                                                                                                                                                          The US has been well practiced with 2 wars over the last 10 years and we have special ops doing things all over the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                          What has Russia or China for that matter done in the last 10 years other than drills? What was the last "real" war for the Russians, Afghanistan where they pretty much dissolved the USSR. Chechen War is about all they have really done in the last 20+ years and that was really not a straight up fight.

                                                                                                                                                                                          China.. what have they done since WW2? Tossed a bit of support in Vietnam and shot some Tibetan monks?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Actual combat experience goes a long way, something the US has had lots of recent experience with...
                                                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by crockett; 05-15-2013, 08:51 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              i don't have to explain jackshit. do your own research, lolz.. lazy bastard.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • just a punk
                                                                                                                                                                                                  So fuckin' bored
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                                  i mean the ussr collapsed as a result of over spending on military
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Course not. It has collapsed due to many factors. The military overspending was far not the worst one. First of all, all the Soviet economics was rotten and it wasn't able to exist in the modern world. The people were not agree to live this way and the government too (that's why Gorbachev has started his reforms). And the final nail into the Soviet coffin was serious drop in oil price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So the military overspending was of of the factors, but it was definitely not enough to collapse the USSR.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  P.S. The USSR has collapsed when Cold War was already over.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by just a punk; 05-15-2013, 08:55 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Course not. It was collapsed due to many factors. The military overspending was far not the worst one. First of all, all the Soviet economics was rotten and it wasn't able to exist in the modern world. The people were not agree to live this way and the government too (that's why Gorbachev has started his reforms). And the final nail into the Soviet coffin was serious drop in oil price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      So the military overspending was of of the factors, but it was definitely not enough to collapse the USSR.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      P.S. The USSR has collapsed when Cold War was already over.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      you disagree because you're russian, that's cool, this isn't my opinion it's the view of a large # of cold war historians. i understand your view, the ussr collapse was merely a coincendence that it collapsed when it did (right after being spent into oblivion facing the SDI as well :-)) and that very well may be a mind-blowing coincidence eh

                                                                                                                                                                                                      wouldn't that be something!

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