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blackmonsters 09-26-2011 09:25 AM

Noobs are FUCKED!!!
 
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

I'm not talking about a new pay site either.
I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that
will make any kind of money.

I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting
and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much.

What do you think?

Harmon 09-26-2011 09:27 AM

http://ourfirstroadtrip.files.wordpr...10/06/wood.jpg

just a punk 09-26-2011 09:28 AM

I think you are right :)

seeric 09-26-2011 09:30 AM

I think they have no chance. Hell, many big affiliates that used to send to programs are making peanuts now. They either didn't, or couldn't evolve and lost their foothold. Some made the switch to the new free model. Many did not.

If you're not going to just flat out steal and monetize content in the new web's way, you don't have much of a chance any more as a noob.

drmadcat 09-26-2011 09:30 AM

most of my site stats are climbing each day from blogs that i have just set up but ive been in mainstream for a long time which helps allot im going to carry on with my blogs and see what happens i don't expect to make mega money doing it more as a hobby know

Chosen 09-26-2011 09:31 AM

I'm trying not to think...

blackmonsters 09-26-2011 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen (Post 18452573)
I'm trying not to think...

And you've done a great job of it too.


:1orglaugh

baryl 09-26-2011 09:50 AM

Speaking as a noob :winkwink: I didn't have any expectations of making a living off of adult when I started about six months ago but I think it's still viable as a means of making a bit of side income. Sales are indeed few and far in between but I have made enough to cover my hosting costs and what I spent on scripts, etc so it's all gravy from here on out.

Django 09-26-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 18452562)

:1orglaugh

magicmike 09-26-2011 10:09 AM

Okay, so how does this post help, or are you just stating the obv

blackmonsters 09-26-2011 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magicmike (Post 18452666)
Okay, so how does this post help, or are you just stating the obv

I asked "what do you think"; which gave you a full opportunity to post what ever
it is that would help.

But you didn't post anything except a useless whine.

:2 cents:

signupdamnit 09-26-2011 01:05 PM

The depressing thing is that even if they make it now ten years ago you could probably multiply whatever they make now by either 10 or 100 and that is what they would have made around 1999 with the same effort. There is still money here but it's not as easy to get at.

TeenCat 09-26-2011 01:10 PM

i wish you are right ... but true there is not much newbies with something new adult business related in their sigs ... :2 cents:

Avalana 09-26-2011 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18452553)
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

I'm not talking about a new pay site either.
I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that
will make any kind of money.

I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting
and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much.

What do you think?

epic fail...

I'm new to the biz (for about 3 months now) and I'm doing very well...

Just use your brain and work your pants off... the rest is coming by itself :1orglaugh

Alex69 09-26-2011 01:18 PM

thats bullshit, it was never as easy to make $ as it is now :)

fuzebox 09-26-2011 01:22 PM

Good. Who gives a shit about noobs?

ruff 09-26-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex69 (Post 18453143)
thats bullshit, it was never as easy to make $ as it is now :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

garce 09-26-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18452553)
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

I'm not talking about a new pay site either.
I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that
will make any kind of money.

I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting
and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much.

What do you think?

What I think? I think you're frustrated and just yanked some random figure out of your ass.

There's a good chance that someone investing $20K on a free site (which would be a batshit insane move for 99% of the people here - figure pulled out out of MY ass) is going to lose more money than someone who invests nothing in a free site.

You don't have to pay more money, you just have to be smarter. Write down notes about every site you visit. When it comes time to create your new site, review your notes. Do not do anything that any site you've ever visited has done.

You'll need a LOT more than $20K to compete with what's already out there. You wanna compete with Manwin, FreeOnes, or Sexbot? Its not gonna happen any time soon. On the other hand, it'll cost you next to nothing to create your own niche.

"Niche" sounds like small time, small money. Facebook started as a niche site - an online gathering place for college students.

P.S. Cut this one short. My posts tend to be waaaay too long...

ruff 09-26-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 18453157)
Good. Who gives a shit about noobs?

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

camperjohn64 09-26-2011 01:30 PM

Are you saying you need $20k:

1) to make money by creating a paysite (and make direct sales)?

Or

2) to generate traffic to send to someone else's paysite (and make commisions from those sales)?

Or both?

ruff 09-26-2011 01:35 PM

It does take some serious cash for software, content and hosting. 20k is probably not far off the mark. Back in the day, you could shoot your own content for little of nothing or build a site for an amateur. Of course a lot of webmasters built their empires by stealing content from newsgroups. Similar to tube sites today, yes? Over the years it was possible to by a ton of bulk content from sales and blowouts. Not so much anymore. So the learning curve is pretty stiff for the immediate return, unlike 10 years ago when you could make money with your head up your ass. So basically it comes down to what the tubes know now and the TGP's knew then, traffic is king. A noobie with deep pockets still has to know how to get traffic and that seems to be beyond even seasoned webmasters. You don't have to invest a dime of your own money to get into this game if you can get traffic. Major sponsors give you all the equipment you need to succeed for nothing more than your time. Of course, you have to have some knowledge about your tools.

signupdamnit 09-26-2011 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex69 (Post 18453143)
thats bullshit, it was never as easy to make $ as it is now :)

I used to convert pay sites 1:100 on AVERAGE 12 years ago. I put up a site I worked two hours on and made over $3,000 in one month from it. And it was on a free host and all I did was submit it to one AVS site. Try doing that today and report back your earnings. It's different.

D Ghost 09-26-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 18452562)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Alex69 09-26-2011 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18453221)
I used to convert pay sites 1:100 on AVERAGE 12 years ago. I put up a site I worked two hours on and made over $3,000 in one month from it. And it was on a free host and all I did was submit it to one AVS site. Try doing that today and report back your earnings. It's different.

i am, on some sites i am making as high as 1$ CPC - its called highly targeted traffic ;)

what you are doing is just advertising to whoever comes by

times have changed, i changed my sponsors and websited several times over last few years

then ones that were making me $ 5 years ago are making today like 1/5 as 5 years ago

mattz 09-26-2011 04:02 PM

If you need 20k to make money in this biz, you have no clue what you're doing

blackmonsters 09-26-2011 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattz (Post 18453485)
If you need 20k to make money in this biz, you have no clue what you're doing

That would probably be the definition of "noob", someone who doesn't know what
they are doing yet.

Based on what I made back in the day as a noob, I would be glad to pay 20k to
return to those days. So I don't think investing that much for something that is
going to win is a lot of money.

ArsewithClass 09-26-2011 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18452553)
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

I'm not talking about a new pay site either.
I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that
will make any kind of money.

I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting
and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much.

What do you think?

Every year, a new bunch of teens become 18 & get hold of credit cards, every year a load of new people wise up to getting peed on a friday night pulling birds & mature to staying in & buying online porn after spending hours of flicking through site after site...
The right affiliates & the right content shall still sell :thumbsup

A decent investment has to be pushed into any business & certainly more than what was, but a decent living can be successfull from adult for newbies too :2 cents:

suesheboy 09-26-2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baryl (Post 18452622)
Speaking as a noob :winkwink: I didn't have any expectations of making a living off of adult when I started about six months ago but I think it's still viable as a means of making a bit of side income. Sales are indeed few and far in between but I have made enough to cover my hosting costs and what I spent on scripts, etc so it's all gravy from here on out.

What about your time?

ilnjscb 09-26-2011 04:49 PM

It certainly sucks to hear you guys tell stories about 1999 vs now

anexsia 09-26-2011 04:49 PM

I started in the adult industry not to long ago and my adult income is building every month, there's still plenty of money in porn.

edgeprod 09-26-2011 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18452553)
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

Think about it: how many worthwhile businesses can you start for less than $20k? Why should this one be any different?

Vendzilla 09-26-2011 04:57 PM

they only have a chance if they listen to me

baryl 09-26-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 18453532)
What about your time?

I guess we'll see. So far I've made less than minimum wage per hour put into it but I've been furiously building sites from scratch and I like to think that'll plateau out a little when I'm satisfied and can let them go on cruise control.
Point is, I'm as a new and probably naive as they come and even I've made some money.

blackmonsters 09-26-2011 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baryl (Post 18453593)
I guess we'll see. So far I've made less than minimum wage per hour put into it but I've been furiously building sites from scratch and I like to think that'll plateau out a little when I'm satisfied and can let them go on cruise control.
Point is, I'm as a new and probably naive as they come and even I've made some money.

I thought that at first also, but that will not happen.
You will either give up on them for good or they will always keep calling your name
to come do some more work on them.

For example : One of your sponsors will change links or go out of biz.
Then it's back to work changing links etc...

porno jew 09-26-2011 07:14 PM

how much would is cost to build a site like seaporn.org?

Just Alex 09-26-2011 07:20 PM

Ask Paul Markham. Is easier than you think.

Sid70 09-26-2011 10:32 PM

Been in adult design for 9 years. Quit a year ago cus webmasters dont have money to pay for design - even established dont. No affiliate programs that need banners for their affiliates, drop dead prices... I can still do it all but people are scared to invest $10 a banner.

marlboroack 09-26-2011 11:25 PM

If you can't beat them, you join them. Come on dude. You should know this, sure you been here longer than i have!

plsureking 09-26-2011 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18452553)
I'm not talking about a new pay site either.

a paysite would find profit a lot faster than a free site these days. especially if you have a unique product and/or a good idea.

a solo model can start a paysite for $5k and be making $5-10k a month within a year. it just requires a heck of a lot of hours working on the site, adding content, doing camshows, and getting your links all over the web.

there was a guy on PornCMS last year that started a site with videos of him jerking off. i didn't research his marketing, but he was getting over 100 free signups a day and 10-15 paid upgrades a day. i doubt his site cost much more than what he was paying for his PornCMS license. he got married and quit, but it shows you what you can do, even today, with little money and a good idea.

iModelize 09-27-2011 01:03 AM

Well, being new to the adult niche I cannot comment. Only time will tell if my investment pays off, which I certainly hope it does.

As far as the investment goes, I would agree but not only the monetary investment, but also the time involved. I think if a noob as myself would fail, is the moment they/we failed to run our websites as a business.


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