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Noobs are FUCKED!!!
I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest. I'm not talking about a new pay site either. I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that will make any kind of money. I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much. What do you think? |
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I think you are right :)
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I think they have no chance. Hell, many big affiliates that used to send to programs are making peanuts now. They either didn't, or couldn't evolve and lost their foothold. Some made the switch to the new free model. Many did not.
If you're not going to just flat out steal and monetize content in the new web's way, you don't have much of a chance any more as a noob. |
most of my site stats are climbing each day from blogs that i have just set up but ive been in mainstream for a long time which helps allot im going to carry on with my blogs and see what happens i don't expect to make mega money doing it more as a hobby know
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I'm trying not to think...
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Speaking as a noob :winkwink: I didn't have any expectations of making a living off of adult when I started about six months ago but I think it's still viable as a means of making a bit of side income. Sales are indeed few and far in between but I have made enough to cover my hosting costs and what I spent on scripts, etc so it's all gravy from here on out.
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Okay, so how does this post help, or are you just stating the obv
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it is that would help. But you didn't post anything except a useless whine. :2 cents: |
The depressing thing is that even if they make it now ten years ago you could probably multiply whatever they make now by either 10 or 100 and that is what they would have made around 1999 with the same effort. There is still money here but it's not as easy to get at.
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i wish you are right ... but true there is not much newbies with something new adult business related in their sigs ... :2 cents:
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I'm new to the biz (for about 3 months now) and I'm doing very well... Just use your brain and work your pants off... the rest is coming by itself :1orglaugh |
thats bullshit, it was never as easy to make $ as it is now :)
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Good. Who gives a shit about noobs?
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There's a good chance that someone investing $20K on a free site (which would be a batshit insane move for 99% of the people here - figure pulled out out of MY ass) is going to lose more money than someone who invests nothing in a free site. You don't have to pay more money, you just have to be smarter. Write down notes about every site you visit. When it comes time to create your new site, review your notes. Do not do anything that any site you've ever visited has done. You'll need a LOT more than $20K to compete with what's already out there. You wanna compete with Manwin, FreeOnes, or Sexbot? Its not gonna happen any time soon. On the other hand, it'll cost you next to nothing to create your own niche. "Niche" sounds like small time, small money. Facebook started as a niche site - an online gathering place for college students. P.S. Cut this one short. My posts tend to be waaaay too long... |
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Are you saying you need $20k:
1) to make money by creating a paysite (and make direct sales)? Or 2) to generate traffic to send to someone else's paysite (and make commisions from those sales)? Or both? |
It does take some serious cash for software, content and hosting. 20k is probably not far off the mark. Back in the day, you could shoot your own content for little of nothing or build a site for an amateur. Of course a lot of webmasters built their empires by stealing content from newsgroups. Similar to tube sites today, yes? Over the years it was possible to by a ton of bulk content from sales and blowouts. Not so much anymore. So the learning curve is pretty stiff for the immediate return, unlike 10 years ago when you could make money with your head up your ass. So basically it comes down to what the tubes know now and the TGP's knew then, traffic is king. A noobie with deep pockets still has to know how to get traffic and that seems to be beyond even seasoned webmasters. You don't have to invest a dime of your own money to get into this game if you can get traffic. Major sponsors give you all the equipment you need to succeed for nothing more than your time. Of course, you have to have some knowledge about your tools.
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what you are doing is just advertising to whoever comes by times have changed, i changed my sponsors and websited several times over last few years then ones that were making me $ 5 years ago are making today like 1/5 as 5 years ago |
If you need 20k to make money in this biz, you have no clue what you're doing
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they are doing yet. Based on what I made back in the day as a noob, I would be glad to pay 20k to return to those days. So I don't think investing that much for something that is going to win is a lot of money. |
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The right affiliates & the right content shall still sell :thumbsup A decent investment has to be pushed into any business & certainly more than what was, but a decent living can be successfull from adult for newbies too :2 cents: |
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It certainly sucks to hear you guys tell stories about 1999 vs now
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I started in the adult industry not to long ago and my adult income is building every month, there's still plenty of money in porn.
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they only have a chance if they listen to me
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Point is, I'm as a new and probably naive as they come and even I've made some money. |
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You will either give up on them for good or they will always keep calling your name to come do some more work on them. For example : One of your sponsors will change links or go out of biz. Then it's back to work changing links etc... |
how much would is cost to build a site like seaporn.org?
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Ask Paul Markham. Is easier than you think.
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Been in adult design for 9 years. Quit a year ago cus webmasters dont have money to pay for design - even established dont. No affiliate programs that need banners for their affiliates, drop dead prices... I can still do it all but people are scared to invest $10 a banner.
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If you can't beat them, you join them. Come on dude. You should know this, sure you been here longer than i have!
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a solo model can start a paysite for $5k and be making $5-10k a month within a year. it just requires a heck of a lot of hours working on the site, adding content, doing camshows, and getting your links all over the web. there was a guy on PornCMS last year that started a site with videos of him jerking off. i didn't research his marketing, but he was getting over 100 free signups a day and 10-15 paid upgrades a day. i doubt his site cost much more than what he was paying for his PornCMS license. he got married and quit, but it shows you what you can do, even today, with little money and a good idea. |
Well, being new to the adult niche I cannot comment. Only time will tell if my investment pays off, which I certainly hope it does.
As far as the investment goes, I would agree but not only the monetary investment, but also the time involved. I think if a noob as myself would fail, is the moment they/we failed to run our websites as a business. |
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