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Vendzilla 09-22-2010 01:48 PM

House Republicans Set to Unveil "The Pledge to America"
 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...-america-.html

With all the BS that's flying about, I thought I would post this.

According to multiple sources, The Pledge includes the following proposals:

- Permanently extend the Bush tax cuts (all of them), or, as Republicans put it, a promise not to raise taxes on January 1, 2011 (the day the Bush tax cuts expire).

- Repeal and replace health care reform

- End the stimulus program

- A cap on discretionary spending

- Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

- Permanently end the TARP program

- Keep Guantanamo open

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense

- Require every bill to be available online for three days before it is voted on.

- Require every bill to be certified as constitutional before it is voted on.





wasn't the last two promised by Barry?

But putting an end to the tax cut deal is a good move, then business can know what to expect of the future and plan accordingly and hopefully grow and lower the unemployment rate

The Demon 09-22-2010 01:50 PM

In theory those look good and economically viable. Slutboat incoming.

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17527395)
In theory those look good and economically viable. Slutboat incoming.

I have some reservations about a couple of them, but tomorrow we should know more about them and others

Amputate Your Head 09-22-2010 01:53 PM

- Keep Guantanamo open

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense


get rid of these and you've got a good starting point.

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17527405)
- Keep Guantanamo open

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense


get rid of these and you've got a good starting point.

Those were the ones I had reservations about.

Kitmo, why are those terrorist still alive? they should have gone to a military tribunal and well, executed, it's been 9 years!!!

More missles?, if we're going to do that, lets just drop one on a nice nuke building target and call it an accident?

suesheboy 09-22-2010 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527384)

- Require every bill to be available online for three days before it is voted on.

- Require every bill to be certified as constitutional before it is voted on.

Only things worth doing.

Republicans said: "read my lips no new taxes" and what did they do?

Bush II killed the economy and if you think lowering taxes adds jobs worth more than the tax loss you are delusional.

The Demon 09-22-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17527487)
Only things worth doing.

Republicans said: "read my lips no new taxes" and what did they do?

Bush II killed the economy and if you think lowering taxes adds jobs worth more than the tax loss you are delusional.

No, Bush II sent the economy in a downward spiral and Obama I killed what was left of it.

BFT3K 09-22-2010 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17527487)
Only things worth doing.

Republicans said: "read my lips no new taxes" and what did they do?

Bush II killed the economy and if you think lowering taxes adds jobs worth more than the tax loss you are delusional.

Who exactly will be deciding what laws are "constitutional" -- and if and when the GOP is back in power, how likely will the 3 day online bill posting thing be?

This is just another list of things that won't happen.

And how does the fiscally conservative GOP even JUSTIFY the unpaid-for tax breaks that are due to expire? Not too transparent that that is point number one!

Sounds more like the "Plundering of America" plan to me.

Rochard 09-22-2010 02:25 PM

So after blowing up the deficit to the highest amount ever, leaving us with a recession, the Republican party now wants to keep the tax cuts for their rich friends and blame the deficit on the next guy.

Brilliant fucking plan.

Not that Obama seems to be doing much better.

TheDoc 09-22-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527384)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...-america-.html

With all the BS that's flying about, I thought I would post this.

According to multiple sources, The Pledge includes the following proposals:

- Permanently extend the Bush tax cuts (all of them), or, as Republicans put it, a promise not to raise taxes on January 1, 2011 (the day the Bush tax cuts expire).

- Repeal and replace health care reform

- End the stimulus program

- A cap on discretionary spending

- Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

- Permanently end the TARP program

- Keep Guantanamo open

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense

- Require every bill to be available online for three days before it is voted on.

- Require every bill to be certified as constitutional before it is voted on.





wasn't the last two promised by Barry?

But putting an end to the tax cut deal is a good move, then business can know what to expect of the future and plan accordingly and hopefully grow and lower the unemployment rate


- Why isn't logical to put the tax rate back to the point when our Country had the strongest economy in history?

- And go against what Americans want.

- Of course after each already spent the pork money they added into it and the last year is the least amount spent.

- If the reps for the first time in history can lower/balance discretionary spending, then sweet.. but not likely. Unless they're going to say it was them that stopped the wars, otherwise it's going to happen when it stops and outside of that, nothing will change.

- 90% of the mortgages in America are backed by FM/FM... Good luck.

- Sweet but with Congress making rules about it, it isn't going to happen.

- No opinion, just don't care enough about Guantanamo.

- No more missile defense, stop the war shit, leave Iran alone, stop being the police and burning a trillion a year in useless bullshit.

- Most are... not all will be and never will be no mater who is in power. It's a fun talking point though.

- Wouldn't that slow doing anything and everything down?



Tax cuts for personal do not make companies grow... tax cuts for companies makes companies grow.

Gouge 09-22-2010 02:37 PM

Other than New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense it looks good to me :thumbsup

Slutboat 09-22-2010 02:41 PM

VENDZILLA
TURN OFF
FOX NEWS
YOU'VE BEEN HAD





De-Program!

Amputate Your Head 09-22-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17527601)
I'VE BEEN HAD TOO




De-Program me!








(8char)


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kane 09-22-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527384)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...-america-.html

With all the BS that's flying about, I thought I would post this.

According to multiple sources, The Pledge includes the following proposals:

- Permanently extend the Bush tax cuts (all of them), or, as Republicans put it, a promise not to raise taxes on January 1, 2011 (the day the Bush tax cuts expire).

Tax cuts are always good, but this will only help if they actually cut spending. Trickle down economics doesn't really work so we can't really look to this as a way to rebuild the economy, but fair taxes for everyone no matter how much you make is a good idea.

Quote:

- Repeal and replace health care reform
Won't happen for at least another 2 years and probably not then. The odds are the the republicans will get the house back by a small margin, but not the senate. Without owning both they can do nothing and Obama would veto any anti-healthcare bill. This will only work if they can take both houses and win the white house in 2012 and even then it will be very difficult.

Quote:

- End the stimulus program
At the very least get rid of the stuff that is not really creating/saving jobs which seems to be most of it.

Quote:

- A cap on discretionary spending
The republicans always say they will spend less and never do, let's see if they actually would follow through this time.

Quote:

- Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Not a bad idea

Permanently end the TARP program
Not bad ideas.

Quote:

- Keep Guantanamo open
I'm a little hesitant about this one. At some point we have to do something with the people who are being held there. Someone needs to make a decision about these guys. We can't just keep a place where we hold people forever and never put them on trial.

Quote:

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense
I'm kind of neutral on this wan

Quote:

- Require every bill to be available online for three days before it is voted on.
Won't happen. This could put an end to those last minute middle of the night votes that both sides love. some stuff will end up online, some won't.

Quote:

- Require every bill to be certified as constitutional before it is voted on.
They will try, until they try to pass something that that is controversial then they won't follow through. For example, if they try to pass a bill that involves gay rights or marriage or porn or speech of any kind it could be a precedent setting case, they won't deal with that up front, they will just pass the bill and let the courts deal with it later if people object.

epitome 09-22-2010 02:54 PM

We've had record deficits and record spending since those tax cuts were enacted.

The tax cuts need to expire and we need to bring down spending across the board (including defense spending) and then we can talk about tax cuts again. Let's get back to a surplus and then talk lower taxes.

Both parties have their hands in the reckless spending; they just choose to spend the money on different things.

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17527601)
VENDZILLA
TURN OFF
FOX NEWS
YOU'VE BEEN HAD





De-Program!

Hey "shit for brains", got it off ABC NEWS

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:00 PM

'repeal and replace' health care?

what exactly does that mean?

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527691)
'repeal and replace' health care?

what exactly does that mean?

Complete rewrite, maybe even get something that might work?

kane 09-22-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527691)
'repeal and replace' health care?

what exactly does that mean?

I think they mean they want to repeal the existing healthcare bill and replace it with one of their own. That will never happen. The republicans have no interest in healthcare reform. The only reason they were involved in it in the first place is because the democrats forced their hand.

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527698)
Complete rewrite, maybe even get something that might work?

ok this is the part that confused me, why would they waste time with a rewrite? i thought the republican position was everything goes back to where it was?

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17527705)
I think they mean they want to repeal the existing healthcare bill and replace it with one of their own. That will never happen. The republicans have no interest in healthcare reform. The only reason they were involved in it in the first place is because the democrats forced their hand.

yea this is what i thought happened. I also was pretty sure the reason the current bill is so mutilated is republican and lobbyists attempts to block it

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:06 PM

double post

cykoe6 09-22-2010 03:06 PM

They are all fine ideas but I was expecting more.

SuzzyQ 09-22-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slutboat (Post 17527601)
vendzilla
turn off
fox news
you've been had





de-program!

SLUTBOAT,
TURN OFF MSNBC
YOU HAVE BEEN HAD IN ALL YOUR THREADS.


Rachel Maddow is NOT going to fuck you...

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 03:11 PM

I think they will have to come up with something, but it will be someone we can afford. At least I hope so, healthcare was even thought about by Reagan

kane 09-22-2010 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527712)
yea this is what i thought happened. I also was pretty sure the reason the current bill is so mutilated is republican and lobbyists attempts to block it

While I have no idea what effect the republicans had on the current bill, I fully agree that lobbyist got their fingers deep into the bill. If you remember when they first started talking about the bill the insurance companies were panicked. They were against it and even saw a slight drop in stock prices. As the bill got written, an rewritten they actually started endorsing it and saw their stock prices go up. The bill will force them to take on some patients who will lose them money, but it is also going to hand about 30-45 million new paying customers to them and they love that.

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17527705)
I think they mean they want to repeal the existing healthcare bill and replace it with one of their own. That will never happen. The republicans have no interest in healthcare reform. The only reason they were involved in it in the first place is because the democrats forced their hand.

Some good may happen from this

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527710)
ok this is the part that confused me, why would they waste time with a rewrite? i thought the republican position was everything goes back to where it was?

Last group of GOP, that was the case, but now they have the Tea Party to contend with, so we'll see if that makes a difference

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527712)
yea this is what i thought happened. I also was pretty sure the reason the current bill is so mutilated is republican and lobbyists attempts to block it

Lobbist wrote it

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527762)
I think they will have to come up with something, but it will be someone we can afford. At least I hope so, healthcare was even thought about by Reagan

ok this is the other thing i don't get

you can't afford what you have set up now, and you STILL have millions of uninsured people and millions other going bankrupt for what they do have

the bill that was just BARELY put through this time doesn't address a LOT of the concerns you should have as a citizen, but what's going to happen is all that time and money is going to be wasted, in order for these guys to put things just they way things were

and your medical costs will DOUBLE within how many years? Do you know?

how about this for a "PLEDGE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

- i will not give all the banks blank cheques with no oversight and destroy the liquidity of my economic system.

this has somehow been forgotten?

Amputate Your Head 09-22-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527786)
ok this is the other thing i don't get

you can't afford what you have set up now, and you STILL have millions of uninsured people and millions other going bankrupt for what they do have

the bill that was just BARELY put through this time doesn't address a LOT of the concerns you should have as a citizen, but what's going to happen is all that time and money is going to be wasted, in order for these guys to put things just they way things were

and your medical costs will DOUBLE within how many years? Do you know?

how about this for a "PLEDGE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

- i will not give all the banks blank cheques with no oversight and destroy the liquidity of my economic system.

this has somehow been forgotten?

not forgotten.


designed.

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17527774)
While I have no idea what effect the republicans had on the current bill, I fully agree that lobbyist got their fingers deep into the bill. If you remember when they first started talking about the bill the insurance companies were panicked. They were against it and even saw a slight drop in stock prices. As the bill got written, an rewritten they actually started endorsing it and saw their stock prices go up. The bill will force them to take on some patients who will lose them money, but it is also going to hand about 30-45 million new paying customers to them and they love that.

ie, the reason there is no public option

crazy how you have business judging whats best for your country, and their bottom line

kane 09-22-2010 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17527797)
ie, the reason there is no public option

crazy how you have business judging whats best for your country, and their bottom line

Sadly that is the case. Our senate is bought and paid for and they often vote based on what their very rich friends tell them to do.

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527779)
Some good may happen from this



Last group of GOP, that was the case, but now they have the Tea Party to contend with, so we'll see if that makes a difference

i seriously hope so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527779)

Lobbist wrote it

lobbyists write the bills that get presented to congress?

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:24 PM

i love all you crazy americans, but you guys should be embarrassed canadians help more people for less, rather than your helping less for more.

Vendzilla 09-22-2010 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17527823)
Sadly that is the case. Our senate is bought and paid for and they often vote based on what their very rich friends tell them to do.

thats the case, they didn't write or even understand the bill, no one did, remember the quote from Pelosi, "we'll know whats in it after we pass it"

_Richard_ 09-22-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527837)
thats the case, they didn't write or even understand the bill, no one did, remember the quite from Pelosi, "we'll know whats in it after we pass it"

for the last time

your country has a massive 'best by' date on it, and there is still arguments on who's going to be leading the charge

FIX YOUR ECONOMY

FIX YOUR EDUCATION SYSTEM

then weed out obviously very bad seeds you got in government

marketsmart 09-22-2010 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527384)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...-america-.html

With all the BS that's flying about, I thought I would post this.

According to multiple sources, The Pledge includes the following proposals:

- Permanently extend the Bush tax cuts (all of them), or, as Republicans put it, a promise not to raise taxes on January 1, 2011 (the day the Bush tax cuts expire).

- Repeal and replace health care reform

- End the stimulus program

- A cap on discretionary spending

- Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

- Permanently end the TARP program

- Keep Guantanamo open

- New sanctions on Iran and more money for missile defense

- Require every bill to be available online for three days before it is voted on.

- Require every bill to be certified as constitutional before it is voted on.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thats all they could come up with....

no wonder this country is so fucked...

i could come up with at least 100 things that are more important than those..

they want to get rid of tarp and fm/fm, but how about some tougher regs for wall street and the banking industry...

end tarp? great... what will you call it the next time the banks fail? farp (fucked asset relief program)

sanctions on iran are good, but missile defense? how about missile offense on iran..

repeal health care? so what, we can have a more fucked up system in place.. how about we put some regulation in for pharm and insurance companies..

if you people dont see through this is just another bullshit attempt to try to lobby some support for the november elections, then i dont know about the level of intelligence here..

if i were the republicans i would have come out with a book sized agenda and baffled people with bullshit...



Dear Mr. Ahmadinejad,

When you produce your first nuclear warhead, will you please point it
towards Washington D.C.

Also, please make sure that Congress is in session.

Love,

Marketsmart






.

suesheboy 09-22-2010 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17527490)
No, Bush II sent the economy in a downward spiral and Obama I killed what was left of it.

Best joke of the year.

suesheboy 09-22-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527762)
I think they will have to come up with something, but it will be someone we can afford. At least I hope so, healthcare was even thought about by Reagan

The first president who wanted it was Nixon. So did Carter.

Since Nixon every president also claimed to what energy independence from foreign oil. Regan had the solar panels Carter had installed on the white house removed. Yeah - Regan was brilliant,

PornMD 09-22-2010 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17528132)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thats all they could come up with....

no wonder this country is so fucked...

i could come up with at least 100 things that are more important than those..

they want to get rid of tarp and fm/fm, but how about some tougher regs for wall street and the banking industry...

end tarp? great... what will you call it the next time the banks fail? farp (fucked asset relief program)

sanctions on iran are good, but missile defense? how about missile offense on iran..

repeal health care? so what, we can have a more fucked up system in place.. how about we put some regulation in for pharm and insurance companies..

if you people dont see through this is just another bullshit attempt to try to lobby some support for the november elections, then i dont know about the level of intelligence here..

if i were the republicans i would have come out with a book sized agenda and baffled people with bullshit....

Indeed...seems like no matter what each party says they side with, it's almost always large corporations and not small biz and people. Not that getting rid of fm/fm would be a bad thing, but at this point it's too late anyways...the damage has been done, the money has been blown. Actually putting policies into place to prevent these huge corps from getting out of hand with shit in the first place and fucking the economy would be the thing to do, but oh gosh no, then these politicians wouldn't get the gobs of money they get.

suesheboy 09-22-2010 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17527837)
thats the case, they didn't write or even understand the bill, no one did, remember the quote from Pelosi, "we'll know whats in it after we pass it"

Same as the patriot act which took away constitutional rights.


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