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  • BFT3K
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2005
    • 10764
    #1

    Starting an Affiliate Program - CCBill or Epoch?

    Any webmaster advice appreciated.

    Does either provide better/easier tools?

    Does it matter, from an affiliate's standpoint?

    Thanks in advance!
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    • sortie
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2007
      • 7771
      #2
      Originally posted by BFT3K
      Any webmaster advice appreciated.

      Does either provide better/easier tools?

      Does it matter, from an affiliate's standpoint?

      Thanks in advance!
      Because of failing sponsors in a rough climate I prefer to use CCBill sites that
      only use the CCbill affiliate software. No cascading to other billing.
      None of my info on the sponsor's site.

      Further if you don't have hosted flvs then there is zero chance I will ever use your
      site.

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        • BV
          wtf
          • Sep 2001
          • 10914
          #3
          Really this is not even a question. CCBill by far.

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            • PornDiscounts-R
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2006
              • 1272
              #4
              CCBill for sure.

              And with the new admin and tools coming out soon, it will be even better
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                • commonsense
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 1790
                  #5
                  Originally posted by sortie
                  Because of failing sponsors in a rough climate I prefer to use CCBill sites that
                  only use the CCbill affiliate software. No cascading to other billing.
                  None of my info on the sponsor's site.

                  Further if you don't have hosted flvs then there is zero chance I will ever use your
                  site.



                  The majority of affiliates that make sales DO NOT use or need flvs, much less hosted flvs.

                  BFT3K, it more or less depends on the type of sites. But in most cases go with CCBill. Fact is there are many more affiliates that use and trust CCBill. And every affiliate on earth has a ccbill account

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                    • PornDiscounts-R
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1272
                      #6
                      Originally posted by BV
                      Really this is not even a question. CCBill by far.
                      Glad to see we agree on that one

                      btw, just signed up for your program like an hour ago and will add all 4 sites to my latest project in a bit
                      Email# rasmus(you*know)porndiscounts.com

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                        • seeandsee
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                          • Mar 2006
                          • 50945
                          #7
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                            • BV
                              wtf
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 10914
                              #8
                              Originally posted by thebestamateur
                              Glad to see we agree on that one

                              btw, just signed up for your program like an hour ago and will add all 4 sites to my latest project in a bit

                              Super. May the force be with you.

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                                • BFT3K
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2005
                                  • 10764
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by sortie
                                  No cascading to other billing. None of my info on the sponsor's site.
                                  Please elaborate. Thanks...

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                                    • commonsense
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Feb 2007
                                      • 1790
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by BFT3K
                                      Please elaborate. Thanks...
                                      Don't listen to him, its obvious he's an idiot.

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                                        • BFT3K
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Dec 2005
                                          • 10764
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by commonsense
                                          Don't listen to him, its obvious he's an idiot.
                                          Okay, thanks!

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                                            • Manowar
                                              jellyfish  
                                              • Dec 2003
                                              • 71528
                                              #12
                                              go with ccbill

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                                                • BFT3K
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                  • 10764
                                                  #13
                                                  Okay, thanks everyone. Looks like CCBill is the clear winner!

                                                  Any advice about Epoch as a second biller, in a cascade?

                                                  Is it worth the $750 per additional biller?

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                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 42635
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by commonsense



                                                      The majority of affiliates that make sales DO NOT use or need flvs, much less hosted flvs.
                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                      Enough Said.

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                                                        • Bhunter
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                          • 1119
                                                          #15
                                                          ccbill cascaded with segpay works great.

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                                                            • HorseShit
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                              • 17513
                                                              #16
                                                              they are both good companies and their rates are very similar

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                                                                • Kiwigirl
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                                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                                  • 2556
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Nothing against the other company you mentioned but I am a fond Ccbill supporter.

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                                                                    • MrDeiz
                                                                      SignBucksDaily.com
                                                                      • May 2008
                                                                      • 9802
                                                                      #18
                                                                      CCBill for sure

                                                                      better billing, better for affiliates
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                                                                        • alexchechs
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2008
                                                                          • 3474
                                                                          #19
                                                                          CCBill has been good for us and using third party tools such as CCB Tools works well. Plus with CCBill you can always set Epoch on your cascading billing so it's a Win Win situation.
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                                                                            • blonda80
                                                                              FOR HIRE: AFF Manager
                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                              • 10959
                                                                              #20
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                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by daizzzy
                                                                                  CCBill for sure

                                                                                  better billing, better for affiliates
                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                    • sortie
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                                                      • 7771
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by commonsense



                                                                                      The majority of affiliates that make sales DO NOT use or need flvs, much less hosted flvs.


                                                                                      True dude, no one would argue that.
                                                                                      But I already have enough sponsors, I've been with some going on 10 years now.
                                                                                      So why try a new sponsor unless they can offer me something exceptional.

                                                                                      I mean, if I had your pay site banner up for 10 years then why would I take it
                                                                                      down or move it to try something else?

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                                                                                        • AGS-17
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                                          • 1402
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          CCBILL Only

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                                                                                            • 2MuchMark
                                                                                              Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                              • 50986
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Both are cool

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                                                                                                • bbm
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                                  • 3710
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  I think - Epoch

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                                                                                                    • Gaybucks
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                      • 451
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      We've been with both, we've had both as primary billers.

                                                                                                      There's simply no comparison. CCBill is simply extraordinary.

                                                                                                      No BS, no runarounds, no excuses. I can't say the same for the competition.

                                                                                                      As for using CCBill as primary and cascading to Epoch or Segpay, that would probably be fine.

                                                                                                      However, if you are just starting out and don't have the volume to justify the extra Visa fee, it probably doesn't make sense to do that right now; a large % of the declines we're seeing are NSF from debit cards, and the other big % is basic declines (which usually means card over limit) so those customers aren't going to get approved on another biller's cascade anyway.

                                                                                                      In 6 months or a year when you have some volume, then it might make sense to go with an alternate biller in cascade.
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                                                                                                        • Iron Fist
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                                                          • 23400
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Go Epoch!!!!!

                                                                                                          NO.....

                                                                                                          JUST JOKES!!!!

                                                                                                          CCBILL only!

                                                                                                          Epoch is only for those who want to lose all their affiliates because their backend sucks balls. I wonder how long it will be until I make ONE sale with SpookyCash since them moving from CCbill to Epoch.... just sayin.
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                                                                                                            • BFT3K
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                                              • 10764
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by sharphead
                                                                                                              Epoch is only for those who want to lose all their affiliates because their backend sucks balls. I wonder how long it will be until I make ONE sale with SpookyCash since them moving from CCbill to Epoch.... just sayin.
                                                                                                              So if you set up CCBill as the primary, and you offer a CCBill affiliate program, then using Epoch as a secondary will piss off your affiliates? How is that? Is it better to not have a secondary biller at all? What about SegPay as a secondary? Same thing?
                                                                                                              Last edited by BFT3K; 04-15-2009, 09:31 PM.

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                                                                                                                • BV
                                                                                                                  wtf
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                  • 10914
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                                                  So if you set up CCBill as the primary, and you offer a CCBill affiliate program, then using Epoch as a secondary will piss off your affiliates? How is that? Is it better to not have a secondary biller at all? What about SegPay as a secondary? Same thing?
                                                                                                                  That won't piss anyone off. CCbill is integrated with Epoch for cascading.

                                                                                                                  But seriously, cascade billing is over rated. It doesn't increase sales by any serious amount. So for increasing sales it has minimal effects. <1%

                                                                                                                  Now if you are larger and looking to spread your eggs out and rotate primary billers, then yah go for it. I am pretty sure you can even do that with CCBill's script. ie: run epoch as primary and ccbill second.

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                                                                                                                    • BFT3K
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                      • 10764
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.

                                                                                                                      Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation?

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                                                                                                                        • BV
                                                                                                                          wtf
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                          • 10914
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                                                          I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.

                                                                                                                          Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation?
                                                                                                                          that's bullshit

                                                                                                                          i have countless members that join and cancel and join and cancel over years

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                                                                                                                            • NinjaSteve
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                              • 11089
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Why not use Nats + Paycom?
                                                                                                                              ...

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                                                                                                                                • tornell
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 4233
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  primary ccbill, backup epoch
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                                                                                                                                    • CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 9568
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by commonsense

                                                                                                                                      But in most cases go with CCBill. Fact is there are many more affiliates that use and trust CCBill. And every affiliate on earth has a ccbill account
                                                                                                                                      That's correct,

                                                                                                                                      I would also add:

                                                                                                                                      - hassle free administration (maybe I'm not a typical user since I used to be a geek) but I sure admire the software for its easy to get in interface and many practical functionalities that are easy to understand

                                                                                                                                      - hassle free support (only one single very much minor thing that ever happened and didn't affect the finance in any way)


                                                                                                                                      But yes, it's by far mainly a question of trust and guaranteed payouts.

                                                                                                                                      Theoretically you HAVE TO get better conversions and $ / 1000 uniques with a suitable cascade, but even then it's always good to have a ccbill option as an alternative.

                                                                                                                                      Although I don't understand it from the affiliate and common sense point of view, then again, if many fuck and fucked someone in the ass in the past, it's not that easy to reset the memory.
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by CarlosTheGaucho; 04-16-2009, 02:25 AM.
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                                                                                                                                        • CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 9568
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BV

                                                                                                                                          Now if you are larger and looking to spread your eggs out and rotate primary billers, then yah go for it. I am pretty sure you can even do that with CCBill's script. ie: run epoch as primary and ccbill second.
                                                                                                                                          I'm not sure about this, that wouldn't make that much sense.

                                                                                                                                          I know for sure that if you want to use the Epoch's affiliate back end (trimmed MPA3) you have to use Epoch as primary.

                                                                                                                                          Makes sense to me.
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                                                                                                                                            • Joshua G
                                                                                                                                              dumb libs love censorship
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                                              • 8198
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              i've been using CCBill for years, no problemo. In fact CCbill makes me feel warm & fuzzy that the site i'm signing up for is legit.

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                                                                                                                                                • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 11377
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Gaybucks
                                                                                                                                                  ...
                                                                                                                                                  As for using CCBill as primary and cascading to Epoch or Segpay, that would probably be fine.

                                                                                                                                                  However, if you are just starting out and don't have the volume to justify the extra Visa fee, it probably doesn't make sense to do that right now; a large % of the declines we're seeing are NSF from debit cards, and the other big % is basic declines (which usually means card over limit) so those customers aren't going to get approved on another biller's cascade anyway.

                                                                                                                                                  In 6 months or a year when you have some volume, then it might make sense to go with an alternate biller in cascade.

                                                                                                                                                  Yup I agree with this. Just starting out there is no need to spend the extra $750 but as you traffic and number of sites grow then sure add a cascade via ccbill and you will see results. I'm thinking the next solo girl site I launch I will add the cascade option myself.

                                                                                                                                                  I love ccbill and would never use anything else!

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                                                                                                                                                    • rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                      TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM
                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 4175
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I have been using CCBill for my affiliate program for years now and have never had any problems at all and the affiliates are very happy with it as CCBill is a name that you can trust and is also very well known. Not to say that Epoch is not a well known company but I say, your best bet is to go with CCBill.
                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by rayadp05; 04-16-2009, 04:24 AM.

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                                                                                                                                                        • selena
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 7995
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Taking off my program rep hat for a moment, and speaking 100% as an affiliate...

                                                                                                                                                          hands down CCBill.

                                                                                                                                                          Quick reasons are trust factor, and ability to promote different sponsors without having to worry about meeting the minimum of each. Though you may be able to do that w/ Epoch, I don't know.
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                                                                                                                                                            • skrinkladoo
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                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                                                              • 629
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              wow, i didnt realize how popular ccbill became.
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                                                                                                                                                                • FrozenJag
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1763
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry for being slightly off topic but has anyone used Zombaio? Their way way lower fees are enticing. Plus the 0 dollar startup instead of 750.

                                                                                                                                                                  Im trying to make some of the same decisions as the thread starter only im going to use NATS so not worried about the affiliate tracking part of the processors.

                                                                                                                                                                  Any thoughts?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Kron
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                      • 1668
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      one more vote for ccbill
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                                                                                                                                                                        • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 10764
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.

                                                                                                                                                                          Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation?

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                                          that's bullshit

                                                                                                                                                                          i have countless members that join and cancel and join and cancel over years
                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks BV. The information above was actually told to me by a representative at one of the non-CCBill payment processors I've been communicating with, so your response is very interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                          I would rather not pay $750 for another processor, but if I do add another biller they would have to work with my upcoming CCBill affiliate program, so Epoch and/or SegPay seem to be the only options.

                                                                                                                                                                          I will say this; around 3 weeks ago I removed a second billing option from my join page, based upon the recent credibility of that processor (not Epoch or SegPay). With ONLY CCBill on my join page, sales have dropped over 25% since then, with no other changes whatsoever, so it is easy to believe a second biller is important, but from the replies on this thread, that does not seem to be the case. Still a mystery regarding the past 3 weeks however, so I am left scratching my head.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • whatif_3
                                                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 459
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by FrozenJag
                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry for being slightly off topic but has anyone used Zombaio? Their way way lower fees are enticing. Plus the 0 dollar startup instead of 750.

                                                                                                                                                                              Im trying to make some of the same decisions as the thread starter only im going to use NATS so not worried about the affiliate tracking part of the processors.

                                                                                                                                                                              Any thoughts?
                                                                                                                                                                              why would you trust some no-name with your $ in an industry where 95% of the billing companies have gone under taking peoples money with them?

                                                                                                                                                                              you save a few pennies but risk losing 60% of your business

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                                                                                                                                                                                • webmasterchecks
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1685
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  ccbill was the xbiz winner 2 years in a row

                                                                                                                                                                                  great people over there, we dealt with them with the phx forum sponsorships over the past few months, ron, sherri, nick, amazing service oriented company

                                                                                                                                                                                  do not know much about epoch, but why look elsewhere when you are dealing with such a high caliber company thats been the billing flagship for 10+ years?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • FrozenJag
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1763
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by whatif_3
                                                                                                                                                                                      why would you trust some no-name with your $ in an industry where 95% of the billing companies have gone under taking peoples money with them?

                                                                                                                                                                                      you save a few pennies but risk losing 60% of your business
                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree, at this point I am leary of them, but thats one of the reasons im looking for other peoples experiences.

                                                                                                                                                                                      If all experiences are great then it would be a tough decision not to try them out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • BV
                                                                                                                                                                                          wtf
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation?



                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks BV. The information above was actually told to me by a representative at one of the non-CCBill payment processors I've been communicating with, so your response is very interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I would rather not pay $750 for another processor, but if I do add another biller they would have to work with my upcoming CCBill affiliate program, so Epoch and/or SegPay seem to be the only options.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I will say this; around 3 weeks ago I removed a second billing option from my join page, based upon the recent credibility of that processor (not Epoch or SegPay). With ONLY CCBill on my join page, sales have dropped over 25% since then, with no other changes whatsoever, so it is easy to believe a second biller is important, but from the replies on this thread, that does not seem to be the case. Still a mystery regarding the past 3 weeks however, so I am left scratching my head.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Probably just a trend, sales go up and down, lately more down, and there is no way to say nothing has changed. Think about it. It has changed. You don't have the same surfers hitting your site every day, it's a revolving door of new surfers and a constant volatile changing economy day by day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • BV
                                                                                                                                                                                              wtf
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 10914
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not sure about this, that wouldn't make that much sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I know for sure that if you want to use the Epoch's affiliate back end (trimmed MPA3) you have to use Epoch as primary.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Makes sense to me.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Well I double checked and yes you can, I just looked at the traffic manager admin again and yes it is possible.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Furthermore all payments to affiliates are still made by CCBill.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Pretty cool huh?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Tanker
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 9287
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I would say use CCBill as your primary and when you have enough business to justify adding another processor integrate one of the processors that CCBill will cascade to and give your affiliate the credit for the sale.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you have any questions about running a CCBill program feel free to hit me up anytime, I am always online!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • GothBuXXX
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 54
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well I have an Epoch Program so maybe I am biased.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't see what is wrong with epoch at all?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Honestly the only reason it might not be as good is because ccbill is just known better.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      epochs sales are equal to ccbills in my experience....after all the customer doesn't care.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      However, affiliates are obviously opinionated and so that is something to consider

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