How tube sites make money and why they suck!
 

Ok lets be real tubes only make money from promoting GetRichInPorn, Dating sites and Cam sites.

they dont help paysites using there content at all.:2 cents:

give us the Pros and Cons about tubes sites with long clips and stolen content. lets see how they stack up against eachother

tube traffic has always converted better than any other type of traffic

give people what they want and you will be rewarded

Why is it every single person I talk to about porn ask me how I make money since its all free online. These people arnt even in our business and they get it.

Which tube sites promote GRIP? I've only seen cams and dating.
WG

Ok what are the sites that convert well off free porn tubes? Let me guess its a secret:winkwink:

I can show you on ICQ:winkwink: also we have a huge deal going down very soon on mainstream side

Like everything else on the internet its all about the eye balls, you get people to your site and you have traffic then you have a license to print money. You can try to convert the good traffic, sell the shit traffic, sell links to people hoping for traffic, sell top spots. I imagine theres a lot of money to be had if you have the traffic. On the flip side there are costs, bandwidth, content if you actually own any, dealing with people trying to take your site down or trying to sue you etc etc.

If done right I think its a good business, I do think its making things tougher for everyone but.. business is about making money for yourself.

I don't know how it stacks up but the reality IMO is...

The industry will evolve. If you have a pay site offering vids and pics and tubes give it for free... your site won't convert that well :(

My thinking now is cams on a paysite is a must. Surfers will get more free porn then anyone could ever possibly think of stopping... that's a fact.

Technology and virtual internet is right there in front of us and that's how I think the next four years will evolve...

I just filed it under "guerrilla marketing slash self-promotion slash wishful thinking" and moved on.

:2 cents:

Still, I love the GRIP design, and always have.

You know, I bet GRIP would do well on CPA side of mainstream, its not too taboo and money making opps do well in general there.
WG

If you build it, they will come. :)

Roger man, i wish there was a way to just fucking zap all the tube sites...

Owning a tube site is a license to steal! Grooooooooovy!!!!!!!

Yeah, give away full length porn to the cheap bastards, but let's also show them how to get into the biz too! :disgust

I totally agree.

LOL so Very TRUE:1orglaugh We do have many tube sites promoting us just not the Pornhubs and redtubes etc. I think they have there own agenda

thats what we are working on now with some publishers etc. I'm just worried about the mail traffic on the maintream side

I dont think what i'm doing effects anyone at all in the biz, just making them more money. the only ones making money are the real webmasters and it will always be that way. If I help someone learn and get involved then thats a plus:thumbsup

I can see the huge porn tubes going the route of megavideos. 10min free then have to wait 30min to get it free again unless they pay. at least thats what I think they should all be like

[QUOTE]Owning a tube site is a license to steal! Grooooooooovy!!!!!!!/QUOTE]

There is no licence thats why they all hide like scared little bitches

True. How do you compete with free content, near unlimited amount, and no signup or credit card hassle though? If you can figure out how to do that, you are in business.

Upgraded/Premium Memberships to DVD Sites that pre-Pay for the spot or to self members area. Dating & Cam White Labels, Mobile, Web TV - all white labels. Video Spots like TGP's do but these are perm listings, Blog listings, Link spots, Chatrooms and Forums with more ads, hosted gals, etc - and then depending on who own the Tube, all the branding, links, urls, etc for your own sites, content, girls names and so on - so more type in traffic, more se traffic.

That's the short list.

Not true

I just let go a very popular tube (for one, the server was fucking expensive, two, I was afraid of legal issues)

and I promoted nothing but one or two paysites

referred lots and lots of sales

Quality over quantity for me any day.

That's gotta be sarcasm.

Hehe, well, I still have to chuckle and applaud the original post. :thumbsup

Good point.

I've been wanting to chime in for a while on the increasing ratios most are seeing. But it's all been said. I don't know what the fuck. Is it the tubes? Sure it is. It's a lot of shit. I got some ideas but I wouldn't be saying anything new.

Heres a point I havnt heard much. PPC traffic searches are down and porn searches in general are down. I know, I did PPC since 2004.

Which means interest is down. At least in terms of the old gaurd paysites. Not good for this time in porn. The old sites are yawners and not enough new stuff.

I'm starting to think maybe it's a good time for a vacation. I own sites. I own domains. I have ideas. I will always get some income. Why not put things on auto pilot which many suspect (not me):winkwink: some paysites are. (not updating, shave on, whatever) Personally I don't think that is true of the winners (sellers). It may be true of many losers though. If the shits sinking and will be sink, why pay Joe affiliate.

It is real easy to work now days for the wrong reason, at the wrong thing, with the wrong sponsor, and not really be worth it.

So I said fuck it. I'm getting old and tired of HTML. I been at this shit as an affil since 1997. I'm not used to working hard. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I'm gonna hang out on GFY. Post a bit. Just let my recurrs come in. Take some free time before the ship sinks! If it's going down why fight it?

But damned if the ideas don't keep coming and I stay in the html.

I do enjoy your firey posts Roger and agree most times. Stay on em. :)

Traffic is money , if you know how to convert them then props to you. I've bought traffic from tube sites, they convert for dating site, but not regular paysites. Even for dating sites, the convertion is really poor.

Stoip lying you dumb fuck. Your constant spam is already way annoying but your constant bs is just too much. Fucking moron.

For those who don't know him. This is just "creative" spam. Nobody promotes his pos program.

MoronV, what exactly do you hope to achieve with your constant bs? Why is it that people like always have to lie and talk crap? Do you realize there is a honest way to get affiliates?

You, Dirtydanza and Simon Synister are all the same. You idiots have so much in common. Besides all 3 being dumb fucking rednecks all you do is spam and bullshit. It's so fucking pathetic.

I always wonder why hicks you like just NEED to bullshit day in day out. It's like compulsive behaviour. You can do things the right way but instead you just need to lie and talk out of your ass. Sad.

If that is true then it should be no problem to finally move to easy street. I hope you're right.:thumbsup

But I doubt you are.:(

nope not at all

I love tubes. Especially straws.

Let me guess what you sell????

Your post is pure bull shit. Traffic does not bring money into the industry and that governs the success of an industry.

The problem is you can't own people and they are traffic, they decide to buy or not. The more who decide not to buy, because we listen to people moving them around and spend too much money moving them around, means the less money we all make.

AFTER 8 YEARS OF LISTENING TO THESE FOOLS AND TRAFFIC IS KING ANSWER ME THESE TWO QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC?

DO WE MAKE MORE OR LESS MONEY?

The answer is yes we have more traffic and we all make less money.

Yet some will never get it.

We've had a free live cam show on the site for a month now and it makes a difference. The problem is few others will do it.

The problem with many is they will not evolve, they want to go back in time. Which is sad for a new industry.

Content is King - Traffic is God

We have far less porn traffic today than we ever have. Is the traffic still on the Internet? Yes! But since we have way less Webmasters today, we have way less global traffic being created, thus way less exchanges, way less exits going on - which has created less sales.


However traffic is god - and more traffic will produce you more sales. It's very simple to figure out, if someone else does more sales than you do - which 100% does happen - then you, don't have enough traffic - and that is a fact.

I Agree with this. It definetly is a double edged sword. You can Have the ultimate content Stuck on a Page. But with No traffic who can buy it. on the same side if you have alot of traffic and No where to send it who does it help?? No one. Traffic that Doesn;t work for 1 content isn;t nessesarily bad traffic. just no the traffic for you.

Just trial and error it.

Tubes may have a volume of traffic. May not be the traffic for your content. but Have you tried it?
You may be surprised

Theres no doubt you make more money that I do online, which I dont really care about, so lets not turn this into a pissing match to try to prove some unrelated point.

Let me guess what you sit around and complain about... things you cant control. Example being; what other people are doing that are causing issues for you... (tubes taking our traffic, or TGPs giving free porn etc)

I apologize if I take a different approach and I work on the the things I can control. Those things such as traffic, content, and the ability to creatively match the two in order to generate revenue.

If you are saying its harder to make the same amount of money today as it was 5 years ago with the same traffic numbers, you are probably right. However im sure some people are making more. But with that said, whats the point of whining about it?

Evolution can be summed up quickly: you move, you adapt or you die. Its our own choice.

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