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~Ray 10-03-2008 09:23 AM

For those of you NOT citizens of the USA...
 
From the outside, looking in, who would you vote for?

Obama / Biden

or

McCain / Palin

KillerK 10-03-2008 09:26 AM

McCain cause the other just isn't an option

mrwilson 10-03-2008 09:29 AM

Palin for the win.

_Richard_ 10-03-2008 09:33 AM

obama all the way.. mccain doesn't seem to have his act together; the 'calling off the campaign, the picking palin to woo female voters, and the aspect that talking to your enemies is some sort of betrayal screams ineptitude and partisan politics.

bobby666 10-03-2008 10:07 AM

i wouldn't vote for any name that apperars on an adult webmasterboard in 20 percent of all thread titles

Blazed 10-03-2008 10:10 AM

fucking-around-and-business-discussion/852354-americans-vote-vote-obama-mccain.html

Cherry7 10-03-2008 10:13 AM

Vote for the US Communist Party !

~Ray 10-03-2008 10:16 AM

can political views not change in a month or are you Mutt's fake nick? You didn't even post in that thread...?

CherryV 10-03-2008 10:22 AM

Obama 100% only cause the Repbulicans have sucked the last 8yrs and with Clinton the world was a better place.

CaptainHowdy 10-03-2008 10:23 AM

Obama ... It's because I wonder if he will be the first president in the 21st. century to be shot.

PennyLane (not Flame) 10-03-2008 10:24 AM

Obama for sure!!!!

Spunky 10-03-2008 10:27 AM

I'd vote for Bammy

F-U-Jimmy 10-03-2008 10:27 AM

Clinton :thumbsup if she was still in the running.

Unlimited 10-03-2008 10:28 AM

probably Obama...

~Ray 10-03-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 14849930)
Obama ... It's because I wonder if he will be the first president in the 21st. century to be shot.

knock knock knock

Antonio 10-03-2008 11:12 AM

Obama, the other one's just an older version of Bush

KillerK 10-03-2008 11:15 AM

You gotta vote no for the kneegrow

The Duck 10-03-2008 11:21 AM

I would write ron paul on the paper.

Maaatt 10-03-2008 11:24 AM

Obama obviously...

Elli 10-03-2008 11:25 AM

Obama 100%.

WarChild 10-03-2008 11:33 AM

Yeah I'd have to say Obama too.

Blazed 10-03-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 14849906)
can political views not change in a month or are you Mutt's fake nick? You didn't even post in that thread...?

Why should i of posted in that thread? Do you post in every thread you visit? And what has happened for people to change from obama to mccain the past month, remember you are talking about those outside of the U.S, ie non idiots who dont change their mind every second.

Zango 10-03-2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 14850133)
I would write ron paul on the paper.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

pigman 10-03-2008 11:50 AM

Obama, McCain isn't even a choice.

~Ray 10-03-2008 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 14850256)
Why should i of posted in that thread? Do you post in every thread you visit? And what has happened for people to change from obama to mccain the past month, remember you are talking about those outside of the U.S, ie non idiots who dont change their mind every second.

there has been a presidential as well as vice presidential debate since that thread you quoted. is that enough to start my own thread, or should I run it by you next time?

Tjeezers 10-03-2008 12:18 PM

Obama 100%
the world needs some color

ContentSHOOTER 10-03-2008 01:23 PM

Obama....

StuartD 10-03-2008 01:29 PM

The only thing I can say with any certainty is that I'd never vote for for McCain/Palin and I will never be able to wrap my mind around WHY anyone else ever would. It just makes absolutely no sense to me what so ever. It's actually rather shocking.

Michael O 10-03-2008 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 14849680)
From the outside, looking in, who would you vote for?

Obama / Biden

or

McCain / Palin

I think most countries are 60/40 at least for Obama but that doesn't mean much I remember that before the 04 election it was higher for Kerry and no one out side the US thought Bush would be reelected.

atman 10-03-2008 02:10 PM

McCain / Palin

Tempest 10-03-2008 02:14 PM

Obama....

McCain has sold out his ethics in order to win the election and Palin simply isn't qualified in any way to take over if he dies.

~Ray 10-03-2008 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 14851022)
Obama....

McCain has sold out his ethics in order to win the election and Palin simply isn't qualified in any way to take over if he dies.

that seems the closest to the truth. McCain was once a Maverick

Violetta 10-03-2008 03:14 PM

If McCain becomes president, you americans are FOOLS! Sorry, FOOOOOLS!

SilentKnight 10-03-2008 03:35 PM

Obama all the way.

As for him getting shot - nobody got to GWB.

'Nuff said.

~Ray 10-04-2008 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 14851365)
Obama all the way.

As for him getting shot - nobody got to GWB.

'Nuff said.

Bush had those people in his pocket, no way they would shoot him, he made them a fortune and a half in 8 short years

Reak AGV 10-04-2008 04:20 AM

Obama, I dont like McCain for one bit.

WarChild 10-05-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael O (Post 14850800)
I think most countries are 60/40 at least for Obama but that doesn't mean much I remember that before the 04 election it was higher for Kerry and no one out side the US thought Bush would be reelected.

Not quite. I knew Bush would be re-elected, and I posted about it several times. :)

frank7799 10-05-2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 14849680)
From the outside, looking in, who would you vote for?

Obama / Biden

or

McCain / Palin

McCain is too old in my opinion and I´m afraid he won´t be able to solve the economical problems. Europe needs a stable economy in the US and vice versa. I followed Obama´s speech in Berlin and it was inflammatory. I have seen Biden only once on TV when he met Palin. I´m not sure about both of them.

Palin is staunchly conservative and I do not agree with her point of view about abortion. That of course won´t make her a bad Vice President, but she doesn´t seem experienced enough to do a proper job.

So I´d go for Obama / Biden.

Doctor Dre 10-05-2008 11:57 AM

Not like it really matters but Obama

Doctor Dre 10-05-2008 11:58 AM

The scariest thing about Sarah Palin isn't how unqualified she is - it's what her candidacy says about America

I'm standing outside the XCEL ENERGY CENTER in St. Paul Minnesota Sarah Palin has just finished her speech to the Republican National Convention, accepting the party's nomination for vice president. If I hadn't quit my two-packs-a-day habit earlier this year, I'd be chain-smoking now. So the only thing left is to stand mute against the fit-for-a-cheap-dog-kennel crowd-control fencing you see everywhere at these idiotic conventions and gnaw on weird new feelings of shock and anarchist rage as one would a rawhide chew toy.

All around me, a million cops in their absurd post-9/11 space-combat get-ups stand guard as assholes in papier-mache puppet heads scramble around for one last moment of network face time before the coverage goes dark. Four-chinned delegates from places like Arkansas and Georgia are pouring joyously out the gates in search of bars where they can load up on Zombies and Scorpion Bowls and other "wild" drinks and extramaritally grope their turkey-necked female companions in bathroom stalls as part of the "unbelievable time" they will inevitably report to their pals back home. Only 21st-century Americans can pass through a metal detector six times in an hour and still think they're at a party.

The defining moment for me came shortly after Palin and her family stepped down from the stage to uproarious applause, looking happy enough to throw a whole library full of books into a sewer. In the crush to exit the stadium, a middle-aged woman wearing a cowboy hat, a red-white-and-blue shirt and an obvious eye job gushed to a male colleague they were both wearing badges identifying them as members of the Colorado delegation at the Xcel gates.

"She totally reminds me of my cousin!" the delegate screeched. "She's a real woman! The real thing!"

I stared at her open-mouthed. In that moment, the rank cynicism of the whole sorry deal was laid bare. Here's the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.

And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed middle-American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant-size bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the Sizzlin' Picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because the image on TV reminds him of the mean, brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.

Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power.

Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation.

The Palin speech was a political masterpiece, one of the most ingenious pieces of electoral theater this country has ever seen. Never before has a single televised image turned a party's fortunes around faster.

Until the Alaska governor actually ascended to the podium that night, I was convinced that John McCain had made one of the all-time campaign season blunders, that he had acted impulsively and out of utter desperation in choosing a cross-eyed political neophyte just two years removed from running a town smaller than the bleacher section at Fenway Park. It even crossed my mind that there was an element of weirdly self-destructive pique in McCain's decision to cave in to his party's right-wing base in this fashion, that perhaps he was responding to being ordered by party elders away from a tepid, ideologically promiscuous hack like Joe Lieberman -- reportedly his real preference -- by picking the most obviously unqualified, doomed-to-fail joke of a Bible-thumping buffoon. As in: You want me to rally the base? Fine, I'll rally the base. Here, I'll choose this rifle-toting, serially pregnant moose killer who thinks God lobbies for oil pipelines. Happy now?

But watching Palin's speech, I had no doubt that I was witnessing a historic, iconic performance. The candidate sauntered to the lectern with the assurance of a sleepwalker - and immediately launched into a symphony of snorting and sneering remarks, taking time out in between the superior invective to present herself as just a humble gal with a beefcake husband and a brood of healthy, combat-ready spawn who just happened to be the innocent targets of a communist and probably also homosexual media conspiracy. It was a virtuoso performance. She appeared to be completely without shame and utterly full of shit, awing a room full of hardened reporters with her sickly sweet line about the high-school-flame-turned-hubby who, "five children later" is "still my guy." It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.

Within minutes, Palin had given TV audiences a character infinitely recognizable to virtually every American: the small-town girl with just enough looks and a defiantly incurious mind who thinks the PTA minutes are Holy Writ, and injustice means the woman next door owning a slightly nicer set of drapes or flatware. Or the governorship, as it were.

Right-wingers of the Bush-Rove ilk have had a tough time finding a human face to put on their failed, inhuman, mean-as-hell policies. But it was hard not to recognize the genius of wedding that faltering brand of institutionalized greed to the image of the suburban American supermom. It's the perfect cover, for there is almost nothing in the world meaner than this species of provincial tyrant. Palin herself burned this political symbiosis into the pages of history with her seminal crack about the "difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick," blurring once and for all the lines between meanness on the grand political scale as understood by the Roves and Bushes of the world, and meanness of the small-town variety as understood by pretty much anyone who has ever sat around in his ranch-house den dreaming of a fourth plasma-screen TV or an extra set of KC HiLites for his truck, while some ghetto family a few miles away shares a husk of government cheese.

In her speech, Palin presented herself as a raging baby-making furnace of middle-class ambition next to whom the yuppies of the Obama set -who never want anything all that badly except maybe a few afternoons with someone else's wife, or a few kind words in The New York Times Book Review -- seem like weak, self-doubting celibates, the kind of people who certainly cannot be trusted to believe in the right God or to defend a nation. We're used to seeing such blatant cultural caricaturing in our politicians. But Sarah Palin is something new. She's all caricature. As the candidate of a party whose positions on individual issues are poll losers almost across the board, her shtick is not even designed to sell a line of policies. It's just designed to sell her. The thing was as much as admitted in the on-air gaffe by former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan, who was inadvertently caught saying on MSNBC that Palin wasn't the most qualified candidate, that the party "went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives."

The great insight of the Palin VP choice is that huge chunks of American voters no longer even demand that their candidates actually have policy positions; they simply consume them as media entertainment, rooting for or against them according to the reflexive prejudices of their demographic, as they would for reality-show contestants or sitcom characters. Hicks root for hicks, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains. Sure, there was politics in the Palin speech, but it was all either silly lies or merely incidental fluffery buttressing the theatrical performance. A classic example of what was at work here came when Palin proudly introduced her Down syndrome baby, Trig, then stared into the camera and somberly promised parents of special-needs kids that they would "have a friend and advocate in the White House." This was about a half-hour before she raised her hands in triumph with McCain, a man who voted against increasing funding for special-needs education.


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