The russians and the chechens
 

Everybody saw the news about all that. What is your real opinion? Who's fault is it for everything that happened?:warning

who's fault? Muslims.

Is it hard to type with your head up 12Clicks ass?

Sorry, but that's fuckin' stupid. You can't blame a whole religion.

Muslim terrorists

Muslim Freedom Fighters

my failed attempt to be ironic

The Russians were attacting Chechens for years. I guess Chechens trying world to point on their problem. I don't think that they will kill any civils, if they do, they totally loose world.

"I don't think that they will kill any civils, if they do, they totally loose world."

hahaha I think they already did. Common Russia
finish those fucks.

Sorry, but I actually did see this opinion yesterday on the boards. We have to fight this terrorist shit, guys, but we cannot be the igornant ones. Didn't mean to jump on ya, I just hate racism.

Russia learned nothing in Afghanistan.

The Mujahadeen have killed over 80,000 Russians soldiers in Chechnya in the last 10 years. And continue to kill an estimated 150+ a month.

You should go to Ogrish and watch some Chechen Funniest Home Videos.

freedom fighters my ass..did you see those videos when they cut the heads off ?

Do I punch holes in this or do I let you try and figure out the error in your argument all on your own.

np Chichio, not everybody follow the previous threads here. You see even Labret took me seriously :-)

fuck these goat fucking highlanders.

i'm from Ukraine - i see many of these fuckheads everyday. The are not human - they are apemen from stoneage.

"Russia learned nothing in Afghanistan."

I hope they did. You can not start killing them on their terms. That's a mistake.

Maybe you missed the "fighters" part. Freedom fighters can't cut people's heads off? What the fuck do you think they fight with, NERF weapons?

I'm not commenting on the Russian situation, just your logic.

Any clues on how this situation will end? My money is on the Russian troops getting impatient and storming the place :ak47:

Regards,

J.

:helpme <-- Ruski hostage

I live in Czech rep. We are former USSR satelite.I hate russian because they have done a lots of hardly bad things to my people.All I can say for this situation is : My english is not good enought to explain this very complicated situation but I am sure that nobody can say the russians are the good ones and Chechens are bad ones or vice versa.It is really pretty complicated problem

I think many civilians will die these muslims i mean terrorists have no value for human life. We all seen how they cut heads of on video. You have to be real stupid not to know who the bad guys are in this situation.

come on, which terrorist in the world have value for human life? You can't say Muslim religion have no value for human life, but USA have best value for human lives! (Hollywood movies?)

CheChens are Turks
Just like many other soviet invaded turk countries (Kyrgyzistan, Azarbaycan, Kazakhstan etc.)
Just like all other sovied invaded countries, they hate socialism shit and russia too. Remember how many millions of people killed because lenin and stalin motherfuckers!

Russian - Chechen war is not started by chechens, thats where I'm absolutely sure. I don't know full details, but one thing is absolutely right for Turks religion.
When they're about to lose their freedom, they fight for it. Chechens are very weak, because population and economy and technology. But Red army of russia is even weaker! it is the proof how weak russia is.

Russia wants control chechenistan, and because they simply cant, they attack to chechens. Then chechens attack to russia, and they attack again. It won't end, until humanist Europe or Oil digger cowboy bush give a hand to there.

russians says, chechens are using turkish made weapons. how interesting! it was russian weapons, used by PKK - KADEK terrorism organisation to fight against Turkey. We never said anything about russian weapons, but they do!

Russia must stop trying act America of Central Asia, otherwise they'll feel living at jerusalem I suppose. You know everyday guerilla war, blood sickness etc.

no sorry but you don't understand that - really.You don't know what you are talking about

I totally agree with you :thumbsup

yeah you know

you guys just follow whats gonna happen to Chechnya now, Russians are gonna bomb the shit out of whats left of it. The rebels thought by taking the theater hostage they will accomplish something, how fucking stupid can those fuckers be

Chechen Muslims extremists do this kind of thing to russian soldiers :

http://www.detroithardcore.com/chechclear.asf

Exactly, they are brutal people. Are you forgeting the Ottoman Empire and the millions of people Turks have ruthlessly massacred

I live in Czech Rep. too and i'm russian
Just stop here to tell you that you a stupid moron like 95% of other Czech Rep. population
Thanks God there are the rest 5% of thinking people here in Prague.
What bad things did i do to your people that you hate me so much? I was born in 1979..
You don't know what are you talking about.
Those Chechen gunmen won't help Chechnya to get their freedom.
The whole thing isn't about bad/good Russians or Chechens
it's about 40 kamikaze who can kill themselves and another 700 people who just came to theatre including children older than 12y.o. (they consider a person older than 12 as adult and didn't let them go..)

:ak47: :ak47:

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man, you can't judge the new generation of being brutal because of history. You CAN NOT say that all Germans are Nazis, all Americans are killers of American-Indians. Every nation has done wild things in the past. This is past. I'm also Turk and I feel cool and the only brutal thing I do is driving my car or motorcycle fast on the highway.

Funny how all the Russia-haters have turned to Islam-haters ... pre-9/11 GW and the reactionary right were very quick to defend the Chechnians as freedom fighters just because they were fighting the Russians.

The fuckwads who are holding those people hostage are at fault in this situation. Nothing justifies what they are doing, and in fact it probably hurts their cause.

The bigger picture - beyond the hostage situation - is a lot more muddled. Being neither Russian nor Chechnian, and not knowing a hell of a lot of the history between them, I don't fucking know.

Am I allowed to say that on GFY?

I am not blaming todays generation, I am blaming your government, for not taking responsiblity for its actions in the past. Germany, USA did for their killings of Jews and Native Americans. And I am Armenian and it bugs me very much that your government massacred 1.5 million of my people and drove them from their historic lands and now is denying all this.

Actually none of us know which was true. There are lots of historians say opposite of this and not all of these historians are Turkish.

Thats fucking naive: you think other non-muslim extremist
wars are all about lethal injections or something?

Ever heard of bribary??? The Turkish government to this day tries to buy off historians, universities to deny that the Armenian Genocide occured. How can you deny a historical fact, what about all the witnesses, pictures, documents proving that the massacres which started in 1890's by the Sultan Abdul Hamid and the Genocide by the Young Turks acutally occured. To this day the Turkish government did not show any prove that it did not occur and to this day they do not want to expose their archives to the public, ever wondered why?

Chechens are way too bad motherfuckers.
That's actually beleive it or not the only reason for them to be fucked.

Here's a bit of real truth for You:

They hated Russians almost always, it's a small muslim population located in Mountains.
It always used to be on the way of trading routes and lived for centuries by robbery.

In second world war (!), the one You're looking on in many Hollywood movies, there had been an accident called DEPORTATION which was the original reason why Chechens hate us SO MUCH and we hate them.

You see , Chechens , were THE ONLY guys on Russian territory who officially or non officially supported Hitler during world war 2.

As soon as it was over mr. Stalin in order to punish them for betrayal took ALL chechens in Moscow and Russia I beleive and placed them on trains going to Chechnya - he simply DEPORTED all of them back to their motherland.
Half of them roughly didnt live through the deportation process and died on those trains because of horrible conditions.

50 years later roughly Soviet Union was falling. All previous parts of it were trying to become independent, which sounds very proud and cool and...look at what happened, most of now independent countries are twice more dependent than they were before and people there are 10 times more poor because the only thing this kind of independence reaches is that the newly elected government of the new independent country simply makes themselves rich with the help of state budget and that's the only TRUE reason of that independance :).
Look it's really very easy.

Now the only thing which could hold those countries together was...blood.

A lot of blood was spilled those days but someone had to suffer really and the problem was that You really cant punish for their government any innocent people.

By that time as You know there were a lot of organized crime in Russia. One of the strongest groups - were chechens.
And dont think that this was due to them being braver or anything. I saw them - just same motherfuckers as anyone else.
But they were far too cruel. Like those head cutting videos. Rest of old good terrorists kinda dont make those movies right? Cause they are going for what they need and nothing else. Same shit was with mafia. Rest of mafias just made bucks and nothing else, when Chechen mafia made bucks AND publicity.

And then that's what happened , basicly they fucked themselves - they were chosen as I understand to get fucked so the rest of Soviet Union stays united.

And the first war started....and NO ONE in Russia said a word against it, cause those Chechen motherfuckers already were too much of a pain in ass.

Do You remember how it ended? It ended when one of Chechens took as a hostage - a WHOLE fucking hospital with women there.
And as it always happens - world said , dont touch poor chechens.

That's what they always do, fucking motherfuckers. When they get fucked - they run around crying for help. All the same shit.
The world comes, says "dont touch people who fight for their freedom" and guess what...the shit continues.

Now the second war there is almost finished. There's no Chechnya.
They had a capital - Grozniy, nothing fucking left of it. Nothing left of nothing there. Fucking Wasteland.

I dont even understand who are those guys in Moscow and what do they want.
To my understanding there were no more chechen terrorists left.
Strange...

This world is fucked up

Freedom Fighters fighting civilians ?

yeah right :BangBang:

More than 250.000 chechen civils genocide by russia.
Here are the photos! Fucking Europan Union or USA doesn't want to see!
http://www.cecenonline.org/help.htm (Turkish / English)
http://cecenonline.org/vahset.htm (Turkish only, but photos)

if "fucked russia government" (not russian people) stops genocide at chechenia and take his army back to home, all bombings will stop for sure. Russia government started limiting muslim activities again, thanks to cowboy Bush's new muslim policy. Isn't it strange, muslim terrorists started their actions after theese new rules and genocides, just because religion!

russia become a real pervert, after they become poor. russian mafia is selling organs of killed chechens. They know nobody care chechens, and they succeed showing them as terrorists. But didn't we forgot something? Chechen or Russian, Muslim or Christian or Jew. We're all humans, and don't decide to killed for organs!

also about armenian suicide. that is absolutely wrong. there is no proof at all. but we have graves, and proof that was armenians who did genocide! and I remember an american judge wrote a book of his research, it was armenians who killed turks in the battlefield and betrayed their country! And then he started getting messages like "you'll die if you continue ..."

Sultan Abdul hamit decided to move armenians to suriye (Left of Iraq). Because in a possible russian - ottoman war, armenians would support russia for having some piece of country with the promises of russia! Moving population and killing a population is different things. Armenia started to spread genocide, just because they want some cities from Turkey. if whole world accepts this false genocide, Turkey will lose power and maybe Armenia + Russia will attack for the cities they want and then share.

Anyway its not the subject, we can discuss false armenian suicide in another thread if you want.
Chechens are slaughtered like dogs in their very own country. Russia can't win war by fighting in battlefield, so they kill womans, childrens and elders.

You come into my country, rape and murder my family, and I will gladly do more than slit your throat. That kid paid for his transgressions against Chechens.

I dont believe in war crimes.

Labret, how would you feel if the Indians came over to your house and claiming that America belongs to Indians cut your family down ?

You'r a smart man and you know how American continents were colonized. The native population were exterminated.