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GetSCORECash 06-19-2008 03:57 AM

Mexico has told the USA to stop the execution of it's citizens
 
If the US allows this, Mexicans can come over to the USA, rape and kill and only have to do a life sentence. No fear of being fried on an electircal chair for them.

Here is the Story:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...cutions-in-us/

Quote:

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
The Associated Press
Wed, Jun 18, 2008 (9:20 p.m.)


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- Mexico made an emergency appeal to the U.N.'s highest court Thursday to block the execution of its citizens on death row in the U.S.

Mexico's chief advocate Juan Manuel Gomez-Robledo said the U.S. was ''in breach of its international obligations'' by disregarding a 2004 judgment by the U.N.'s International Court of Justice, which ruled Mexicans were denied the right to consular advice after their arrests, as guaranteed by an international treaty.

The court, informally known as the World Court, has ruled that the Mexicans were entitled to ''review and reconsideration'' of their trials and sentences to determine whether the violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention affected their cases.

President Bush accepted the judgment and asked state courts to review the cases.

Texas refused, and the issue went to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled last March by a 6-3 vote that Bush lacked the authority to compel state courts to comply with the judgment from The Hague. The Vienna Convention cannot be binding on the states unless Congress enacts legislation enforcing it as federal law, the Supreme Court said.

Mexico asked the World Court for an ''interpretation'' of its earlier ruling to clarify what it meant when it asked the U.S. to ''review and reconsider'' the cases of the condemned prisoners, and in the meantime to order the halt of the execution timetable.

Gomez-Robledo said that without urgent action now, five Mexican nationals ''will be executed before the conclusion of these proceedings.''

U.S. representatives were due to respond later Thursday before the 13-member tribunal.

Sandra Babcock, representing Mexico, said the World Court's decision four years ago referred to 51 Mexican nationals. Since then, 33 had sought reviews of their cases in state courts.

Only one request was granted, Babcock said. A second inmate accepted a life sentence in exchange for waiving his claim for a review.

''All other efforts to enforce the judgment have failed,'' she said.

Mexico listed five of its citizens slated to die. The first, on Aug. 5, is Jose Medellin, 33, condemned in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls 15 years ago.

Texas authorities have said Medellin's case has been reviewed by state and federal courts and that he had been given the same right as any American citizen.

But Mexico said in its appeal to the World Court that the U.S. obligation to follow international law also applies to individual states. ''The United States cannot invoke municipal law as justification for failure to perform its international legal obligations,'' it said.

The International Court of Justice is the U.N.'s judicial arm for resolving legal disputes among member states. Its decisions are binding and not subject to appeal, and only rarely have they been defied. Though it has no power of enforcement, the court can report any failure to abide by its decisions to the Security Council.

crockett 06-19-2008 06:14 AM

Tell Mexico to stop letting it's citizens cross the boarder and they will no longer have a problem..

ChefJeff 06-19-2008 06:16 AM

Are there any other countries whose citizens enter the US illegally besides Mexico?

Zuzana Designs 06-19-2008 06:17 AM

That sounds just silly !!! I'm in NC and you have no idea how many Mexicans are here .. Everytime I go into a store they stalk me and babble shit to me ... Don't get me wrong I'm not racist at all but it gets old fast :(

crockett 06-19-2008 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14347984)
Are there any other countries whose citizens enter the US illegally besides Mexico?

Well people come from other South American countries and come up through Mexico. So many of the so called "Mexicans are from other countries south of the boarder but most are Mexicans.

Then there are of course the illegal Chinese & Russians which are probably a bigger problem in big cities like New York but nothing like the Mexican problem.

crockett 06-19-2008 06:22 AM

Personally I'm all for letting anyone have a chance and work if they can find it. However they need to follow the laws and not abuse our system.

ChefJeff 06-19-2008 06:27 AM

And so what is the problem? Now that we have determined that people of many nationalities enter the US illegally. I don't think we should execute anyone.

"Thou shalt not kill"

I like the Norwegian justice and punishment system. Look into it.

ChefJeff 06-19-2008 06:29 AM

Yes, I agree. Follows the laws and not abuse the system.

bushwacker 06-19-2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14347984)
Are there any other countries whose citizens enter the US illegally besides Mexico?

hatians, cubans, dominicans.

Madame0120 06-19-2008 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14348018)
"Thou shalt not kill"

Not to mention how expensive it is to keep someone on death row.

60 MILLION DOLLARS to excute John Wayne Gacey

:disgust

LeRoy 06-19-2008 07:12 AM

It's a fucking war. Who ever fucks the most wins. Seems the Mexicans can have 10 time more babies then the white peeps.

tranza 06-19-2008 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14348025)
Yes, I agree. Follows the laws and not abuse the system.

Yes i agree too is just follow the laws!

escorpio 06-19-2008 07:14 AM

If you come to this country and break our laws you must suffer our consequences.

MichelleB 06-19-2008 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 14348175)
If you come to this country and break our laws you must suffer our consequences.

I agree.:2 cents:

Dirty F 06-19-2008 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madame0120 (Post 14348122)
Not to mention how expensive it is to keep someone on death row.

60 MILLION DOLLARS to excute John Wayne Gacey

:disgust

:eek7

Why? What happens with that money?

AnniKN 06-19-2008 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 14348175)
If you come to this country and break our laws you must suffer our consequences.

Agree with this, however, the issue that the Mexican government is trying to point out, is that on occassion, convicts that were prosecuted for the exact same crimes as American citizens (as in both were taking part in the crime) got death sentence while the Americans got life sentence or even only a few years... due to the ability of the Americans to make a deal with the law or to get better legal deffense. And that appeals pretty much always get refuesed... This and also that there's a higher average of Mexicans getting death row for similar crimes than the White American Male - this sort of issue has been brought up often too regarding how African Americans are more likely to get death sentence too...

Sometimes guys that should get death row don't and sometimes guys who shouldn't, do get it. Justice and law are rarely the same thing.

TubeTitans_SusieQ 06-19-2008 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 14347978)
Tell Mexico to stop letting it's citizens cross the boarder and they will no longer have a problem..

thank you...

pornguy 06-19-2008 08:02 AM

I always love to read when people say the " Mexican Problem " What about the Chinese problem. Thats the one you dont hear about. Or the Russian, Or those damn people form Canada in their speedo's

As for what mexico is requesting, one of the things they are saying is that the defendants are not allowed the same chances because they are mexican, Thats funny because the US spends BILLIONS on public defenders every year.

It's not the US's fault that the Mexican commited a crime that makes him face the death sentence.

Quagmire 06-19-2008 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 14348385)
I always love to read when people say the " Mexican Problem " What about the Chinese problem. Thats the one you dont hear about. Or the Russian, Or those damn people form Canada in their speedo's

As for what mexico is requesting, one of the things they are saying is that the defendants are not allowed the same chances because they are mexican, Thats funny because the US spends BILLIONS on public defenders every year.

It's not the US's fault that the Mexican commited a crime that makes him face the death sentence.

http://doctorheadly.files.wordpress....speedo_guy.jpg

so what are you trying to say? We're not allowed down in Florida anymore? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Kudles 06-19-2008 10:27 AM

Hey lets worry about another stupid thing in this country. God forbid we worry about our WAR that's going on!

Kudles 06-19-2008 10:27 AM

Hey lets worry about another stupid thing in this country. God forbid we worry about our WAR that's going on.

fris 06-19-2008 12:56 PM

dont do the crime then

payd2purv 06-19-2008 01:00 PM

Living in Toronto I must say I am fucking sick of immigrants.

I've spent a lot of time in mexico so I know how mexicans are.. I can only imagine what it's like for you americans..

crockett 06-19-2008 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14348018)
And so what is the problem? Now that we have determined that people of many nationalities enter the US illegally. I don't think we should execute anyone.

"Thou shalt not kill"

I like the Norwegian justice and punishment system. Look into it.

If they commit a crime that has the death penalty what should we do.. let them go? put them in jail on our coin? or let them face the same penalty as anyone else in this country? No one held a gun to their head and told them to enter this country illegally, if they then commit a murder on top of that then they deserve what they get.

severe 06-19-2008 01:07 PM

right, because an american arrested in mexico would have all these right s afforded to them...

besides shouldn't mexico's embassy provide an attorney and aid to its own citizen in cases like these. i guarantee if i got locked up in another country id be calling the US embassy, for sure.

GatorB 06-19-2008 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash (Post 14347752)
If the US allows this, Mexicans can come over to the USA, rape and kill and only have to do a life sentence. No fear of being fried on an electircal chair for them.

Here is the Story:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...cutions-in-us/

I'd rather be executed than spend life in a Mexican prison. US prisons are bad enough Mexicans are 10X worse. Be honest only an idiot would think a life sentence is actually better than death whether it be in the US or Mexico.

crockett 06-19-2008 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quagmire (Post 14348609)
http://doctorheadly.files.wordpress....speedo_guy.jpg

so what are you trying to say? We're not allowed down in Florida anymore? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If there was anything that deserved the death penalty..

baddog 06-19-2008 01:56 PM

Kill them all, let God sort them out.

jollyperv 06-19-2008 02:00 PM

Fuck em', mess with the bull you get the horns. If they can't afford proper legal council, they should have thought of that before they commited the crime.

DaddyHalbucks 06-19-2008 02:18 PM

Mexico has told the USA to stop the execution of it's citizens
+++++++++++++++++

No problem. Just tell your people to stop coming over here illegally and committing capital crimes.

RyuLion 06-19-2008 02:23 PM

I rather get the chair then be in jail for 30 yrs..

Rique 06-19-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefJeff (Post 14347984)
Are there any other countries whose citizens enter the US illegally besides Mexico?

Yes, America. Just ask the indians.

D-man 06-19-2008 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash (Post 14347752)
Mexico listed five of its citizens slated to die. The first, on Aug. 5, is Jose Medellin, 33, condemned in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls 15 years ago.

Texas authorities have said Medellin's case has been reviewed by state and federal courts and that he had been given the same right as any American citizen.

this has nothing to do with Mexicans or Meican'ts or the border or anything else! - The one guy, gang raped and murdered 2 teenagers - FUCK HIM AND FRY HIM! Who cares if he's from Mexico or any place, If you rape and murder, you should die and if you do it in Texas well i guess your really fucked!

Voodoo 06-19-2008 03:03 PM

How about instead... We just allow legal U.S. citizens to shoot illegal immigrants on the streets? If they shoot someone who was not illegally here, then the shooters just gets the death penalty. OPEN SEASON!

AmateurFlix 06-19-2008 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 14348175)
If you come to this country and break our laws you must suffer our consequences.

I never thought I'd say this to you escorpio in regards to a topic about illegal immigrants, but I agree :thumbsup

escorpio 06-19-2008 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix (Post 14350442)
I never thought I'd say this to you escorpio in regards to a topic about illegal immigrants, but I agree :thumbsup

I'm not about to cut violent criminals any slack, I don't care where they're from or how they got here.

Libertine 06-19-2008 06:10 PM

In this thread, Americans show themselves to be illiterate.

Quote:

Mexico's chief advocate Juan Manuel Gomez-Robledo said the U.S. was ''in breach of its international obligations'' by disregarding a 2004 judgment by the U.N.'s International Court of Justice, which ruled Mexicans were denied the right to consular advice after their arrests, as guaranteed by an international treaty.
And again:

Quote:

Mexicans were denied the right to consular advice after their arrests, as guaranteed by an international treaty

vidsta 06-19-2008 06:19 PM

what the hell´s goin´ on there, they´re flowing over the border as if a bag of beans exploded there...

~Ray 06-19-2008 06:27 PM

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GrouchyAdmin 06-19-2008 06:32 PM

You keep makin' em, I'll keep bakin' em. :thumbsup


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