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06-10-2008, 12:57 PM

I am thinking it really is starting to slow down with people getting killed at 4 bucks a gallon, and all the free porn thats available these days.

Ratio's get worse every year it seems.
Anyone got reference to these sort of trends? I know from my own stats shit's been going down for almost a 2 years now. Its like a slow death thing.

Maybe I suck I dunno but it seems alot harder these days to convince people to break out the plastic. Traffic wants more free stuff, more quality stuff and yet not as willing to pay as they used to.

Whats the deal? What are the prime factors leading to this shit?
Or is nothing on a downward in Adult?

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06-10-2008, 01:00 PM

Im working close to twice as hard to make the same. This has been the hardest year to date of my 8 online.
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06-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Im working close to twice as hard to make the same. This has been the hardest year to date of my 8 online.

Did you notice traffic going up but sales going down?
Thats my problem which leads me to thinking people are just not willing to pay much anymore.

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06-10-2008, 01:03 PM

The real problem is too many people are actually having sex..

It's all because of Paris Hilton and Sex and the City..

Guys are just getting laid more now than they used too...
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06-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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06-10-2008, 01:30 PM

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Is the Industry on a drop?

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06-10-2008, 01:36 PM

I think average se traffic is performing much more poorly

and on the mainstream side, people aren't even clicking nearly as much as they were a year ago, same sites and traffic, it is getting harder to squeeze money out of traffic....... I don't know why CTR rates are so bad this last few months

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06-10-2008, 01:39 PM

the whole economy is in drop. Dont expect it to get better any time soon. My construction company has already had to drop three large projects because they lacked funding/couldnt get funding/scaling back.
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06-10-2008, 01:46 PM

My friend owns an adult video store and he is taking a smidge of a hit but people are still buying and renting. I know that doesn't necessarily translate to online but the point is that during a recession the adult industry and the alcohol industry don't get hit as hard as other industries. People love tits and ass and booze!

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06-10-2008, 01:47 PM

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06-10-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by DefaultMan

My friend owns an adult video store and he is taking a smidge of a hit but people are still buying and renting. I know that doesn't necessarily translate to online but the point is that during a recession the adult industry and the alcohol industry don't get hit as hard as other industries. People love tits and ass and booze!

people that watch porn on dvd yes ,it would be that way online also if there wasnt tons of free full length scenes online. If you remember the small recession in 2001 didnt really touch us,I believe the main reason is there werent tubes at that time. It might not be the exact thing you want but if you just want to get off and money is tight. It fits the need.
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06-10-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by payd2purv

The real problem is too many people are actually having sex..

It's all because of Paris Hilton and Sex and the City..

Guys are just getting laid more now than they used too...

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06-10-2008, 01:58 PM

so true

Originally posted by payd2purv

The real problem is too many people are actually having sex..

It's all because of Paris Hilton and Sex and the City..

Guys are just getting laid more now than they used too...

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06-10-2008, 02:08 PM

google => search for "porn" => first result: pornhub.com

Even morons and newbies can find full length scenes today. Why should they pay ?
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06-10-2008, 02:19 PM

I agree. It hasn't been that hard as it is right now. Specially with the killing dollar against the euro.

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06-10-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

Did you notice traffic going up but sales going down?
Thats my problem which leads me to thinking people are just not willing to pay much anymore.

traffic has been strong which sucks,when sales arent as strong
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06-10-2008, 02:31 PM

as they say... it's the economy, stupid

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06-10-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by wjxxx

google => search for "porn" => first result: pornhub.com

Even morons and newbies can find full length scenes today. Why should they pay ?

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Thats so fucking wrong one can bet that spans many different keywords to and so many other Tube sites accross the spectrum of sites and keywords.

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06-10-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by wjxxx

google => search for "porn" => first result: pornhub.com

Even morons and newbies can find full length scenes today. Why should they pay ?

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06-10-2008, 03:41 PM

Same here, the only solution seems to be pushing out new paysites. Even huge old school programs like Bangbros and ND suddenly started new sites almost monthly after not having a single new one for ages, TCG, Juggcash, Naughty America, new sites everywhere. It's been a trend for about a year now.

Shortly after release, they convert great, then you can slowly see the ratios go downward as the members content saturates on tubes, forums, rapidshare & co.

1:3000 (frontpage unique) seems to be about normal nowadays for many of the "mainstream niches" like mature, anal, teens, babes, etc with average traffic...and it's not like blogs with 100% SE traffic do alot better.

Go niche? There isn't enough traffic in many micro niches. 1:200 is nice, but if you can only send 400 hits a day with a #1 ranking in google it still doesn't help much, since the majority of traffic turns more and more into shit.

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06-10-2008, 03:44 PM

I don't like to assign blame as to why business is doing badly but I have to say the single most important factor is the advent of tube sites. Who is going to pay $30-$40/month plus cross-sells when you can get full and downloadable videos for free. I don't think the recession or high gas prices make a dent in comparison to the effect tube sites have done.
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06-10-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I don't like to assign blame as to why business is doing badly but I have to say the single most important factor is the advent of tube sites. Who is going to pay $30-$40/month plus cross-sells when you can get full and downloadable videos for free. I don't think the recession or high gas prices make a dent in comparison to the effect tube sites have done.
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I think one feeds into another, your paying out the ass for gas to go work.You start looking to cut expenses, not paying for porn saves money for other things.if that wasnt a option they would pay then. my example is the 2001 recession, I was making money very easily. Whats different tubes.
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06-10-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by tony404

people that watch porn on dvd yes ,it would be that way online also if there wasnt tons of free full length scenes online. If you remember the small recession in 2001 didnt really touch us,I believe the main reason is there werent tubes at that time. It might not be the exact thing you want but if you just want to get off and money is tight. It fits the need.

Are there tons of Mandy Blake videos floating around? I don't think so.....

You are part of a VERY lucrative niche and you're married to the talent.....There is NO reason your income should be dropping like you say.

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06-10-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by BVF

Are there tons of Mandy Blake videos floating around? I don't think so.....

You are part of a VERY lucrative niche and you're married to the talent.....There is NO reason your income should be dropping like you say.

did you even take the time to read all of what I said. If Im looking to get off and I want to get off to Mandy but I spending 75 dollars a week for gas, so I jerk off to a girl I can have for free. Its not exactly what I wanted but it gets me off.
no there isnt videos floating around there are full fucking rips of my sites on bit torrents. It upsets me so much I stopped looking and then begging for it to come down some did some didnt it.

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06-10-2008, 04:41 PM

Also why would I lie about my income dropping? This would be something to be proud of?
We are making the same but have to work twice as hard. Its not like we started doing this yesterday been pay since 2000. I think its a combo of things,if there is a choice of paying for gas to go work or buying porn. Porn is going to lose each and everytime.
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06-10-2008, 04:57 PM

I have been surfing porn since 1994 Here is my 2 cents from a surfer perspective on why sales sluggish for some sites

A surfers rant...

- I dont care about your fancy design, high end designs makes me cautous. So does bright flashy things. Are you a big company? Why all the hype... just sell me on your content.
- I want to see niche specific content. If I like asian handjobs and your asian handjob site displays content that actually has asian handjobs and your tour flows well and entices me to join (but not too much)...I might join.
- I want to join your asian site but I dont wanna see site access to 30 of your other websites in different niches on the join page. Why dont you suprise me after I join up?, instead of letting me know on the join page? It makes me think the asian sites members area is very small.
- I want to see what I am purchasing, Why not make your members area transparent?. Why would I buy something sight unseen cept for the tour or maybe a clip I saw on the hun?
- Recuring billing makes me nervous. I want to join, jerk and dont want to double check to see that my card wont be charged again. If I want I will rejoin at my convienence.
- I dont have a lot of money and 24.95 if too much for me psycologically, 19.95 is appropriate.
- I want to see unique content and not the same stuff on a lot of sites. How many times can I see the same porn stars? I need fresh faces. If I see bree olson or Gianna micheals on a tour I pretty much will click the close button (my own personal preference here he he)

My two cents

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06-10-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by tony404

Also why would I lie about my income dropping? This would be something to be proud of?
We are making the same but have to work twice as hard. Its not like we started doing this yesterday been pay since 2000. I think its a combo of things,if there is a choice of paying for gas to go work or buying porn. Porn is going to lose each and everytime.

I think it's funny that someone is honest about there work on the web some monkey comes along and start's declaring so and so is broke...

Sorry folks dropping income does not = broke.

Tony I have always appreciated your honesty, I am sure you are doing better than 90% of the adult webmasters these days. It's hard to get a real answer out of people these days. I am not a major guy whats so ever or even minor all I got is a stable small income and the occasional design order these days. Luckily I do not got high expectations for my income now or the future which is why I made this thread.

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06-10-2008, 05:23 PM

Last month ratio 1:750 this month 1:1565 ... same exact traffic. I guess that "stimulus package" was good for a month =\
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06-10-2008, 05:33 PM

I have some detailed spreadsheets dating back to 98 when I decided to really keep track of traffic patterns and such. No I will not share, do not ask. These past few months has been a nightmare for many types of sites (micros excluded). You honestly do need 2 to 3 times the traffic to make the same amount of money you did at the same time last year.

It also does not seem like it is purely tubes or the economy but both of those do factor in. Customer polling has shown a great deal of disappointment with many sites they joining (particularly solo girl sites and mega access sites). The say then end up feeling ripped off due to lack of content for what they joined and feel abandoned the second they turn their money over and many admit that makes them reluctant to join other sites.

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06-10-2008, 05:41 PM

All the free porn over the years adds up. New programs, all adding FHGs, 100's of FHGs added every day... do the math.

I remember when I first started this, one of the most said tips was to not show too much in the free galleries, no one follows that rule anymore, there are full on cum shot, 3 minute videos, everything a guy needs to get off, all for free.

No one needs to pay for porn anymore, we've given it all away, and continue to do so.

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06-10-2008, 05:59 PM

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I remember when I first started this, one of the most said tips was to not show too much in the free galleries, no one follows that rule anymore, there are full on cum shot, 3 minute videos, everything a guy needs to get off, all for free.

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06-10-2008, 06:07 PM

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Are there tons of Mandy Blake videos floating around? I don't think so.....

You are part of a VERY lucrative niche and you're married to the talent.....There is NO reason your income should be dropping like you say.

Whoever owns MandyBlake.com has a shit of pops going on.

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06-10-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

I have some detailed spreadsheets dating back to 98 when I decided to really keep track of traffic patterns and such. No I will not share, do not ask. .

post your spreadsheets....
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06-10-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by aico

All the free porn over the years adds up. New programs, all adding FHGs, 100's of FHGs added every day... do the math.

I remember when I first started this, one of the most said tips was to not show too much in the free galleries, no one follows that rule anymore, there are full on cum shot, 3 minute videos, everything a guy needs to get off, all for free.

No one needs to pay for porn anymore, we've given it all away, and continue to do so.

So true, if I was even vaguely interested in main stream porn, I wouldnt be paying at all - maybe a membership or two a year for a month if someone came out with something very good.

Apart from that, the huge amount of free stuff every program gives out, generally poor policing of stolen content and billions of sites....well, it all adds up and its all kinda fucked really isn't it.

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06-10-2008, 06:38 PM

My ratios have almost tripled...

2007 1:619
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06-10-2008, 07:28 PM

Porn is said to be recession resistant to a large degree. It has also been said your income is directly proportional to the value you add.

Deductively, the people who's sales are going down are providing less value than they used to. This can be interpreted multiple ways.

1) Other people are providing more value. There is a large degree of truth to the bitching and moaning about tubes sites. However, there isn't anything you can do to make them go away so learn why people like them (really give it some thought and don't just say because it's free). Also, mega sites like videobox are providing so much value even the largest programs can't compete with them. Then there are also the clip4sales with amateur producer content. Just a few things to consider.

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3) Your offerings grow increasingly out of touch with the demands of consumers. This could be a combination of customer demand changing or simply producers shooting stuff that customers don't care for. I think it's more the latter. How many shooters actually watch porn on a personal level? Shooters are motivated to get more work they are "playing it safe" and have come up with their own rules of what is correct. As a consequence there isn't much variety to all the content out there. Everything is the same.

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06-10-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by DefaultMan

My friend owns an adult video store and he is taking a smidge of a hit but people are still buying and renting. I know that doesn't necessarily translate to online but the point is that during a recession the adult industry and the alcohol industry don't get hit as hard as other industries. People love tits and ass and booze!

No one has opend a video store where the videos are free to rent (and they make money by placing ads on those videos) or those 25 cents booths where insted of you putting 25 cents you watch movies for free in return for watching some ads. This is what is going on the net with Tube sites
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06-10-2008, 07:43 PM

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06-10-2008, 07:47 PM

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06-10-2008, 08:08 PM

I'm just going to play devils advocate here for a minute.

Everyone says the tubes are killing them. But I've also read in this thread many people saying their traffic is up. If surfers are getting their porn from tubes, why are they still surfing and visiting your sites/galleries/blogs?

Maybe the surfers are looking for something, it's just not there so they settle on the tubes.

I've talked to COUNTLESS people who say they hate modern porn. The steroid guy with the huge cock just fucking like a jackhammer on a girl who's faking it, usually the same girl you've seen in 20 other galleries being sold as a teen or an amateur or a "real girlfriend".

Maybe the prices need to come down, or maybe the quality needs to go up. I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here.

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06-10-2008, 08:14 PM

"Also, mega sites like videobox are providing so much value even the largest programs can't compete with them." - BrandonStills Summer 2008

Let me just say...
Thats a bold statement.
I think you are missing alot in that statement videobox is nice but it hardly meets the breadth of desires of the worlds adult questing traffic. Maybe a part and thats good and well but really its just another tube site thats legit, videobox is competing with 20 other guys like it that are free.

Wouldnt you think that if all tubesites were to either close shop or charge for access the numbers would be alot better?

Wouldnt you think that if Americans were not going into recession mode numbers would be better?

Yes traffic is up infact it's quite alot of traffic available these days but they tend to buy less as the years go by. At least thats what I am seeing.

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06-10-2008, 08:33 PM

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Im working close to twice as hard to make the same. This has been the hardest year to date of my 8 online.

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06-10-2008, 08:58 PM

I've got the same traffic I've had for a few years now. And according to some it's the worst kind there is (although I know it's not coz I've got worse stuff than that!).

Same traffic, maybe 25% less sales, rebills up slightly.

Can't say my experience has been as bad as others. In fact my sales have increased this month for the first time in a while. I'm wondering if I'm benefiting from all my competition giving up and moving on.

Tube sites + recession + fuel prices = bad for the industry generally. But it doesn't seem to be universal. No doubt in my mind that the big companies are getting hit the most.

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06-10-2008, 09:00 PM

My big frustration is the US dollar. If it weren't for that I'd be doing the same as I have for years now. But that is irrelevant :|

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06-10-2008, 09:11 PM

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Also why would I lie about my income dropping? This would be something to be proud of?
We are making the same but have to work twice as hard. Its not like we started doing this yesterday been pay since 2000. I think its a combo of things,if there is a choice of paying for gas to go work or buying porn. Porn is going to lose each and everytime.

Ok I really took a look at Mandy Blake.....Correct me if I'm wrong but is she doing any fucking on that site or is that site like a model site where she just poses and uses dildos?

If she's not fucking, then you need to put some dick inside of her and on the tour and fast.......

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06-10-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by BVF

Ok I really took a look at Mandy Blake.....Correct me if I'm wrong but is she doing any fucking on that site or is that site like a model site where she just poses and uses dildos?

If she's not fucking, then you need to put some dick inside of her and on the tour and fast.......

no boy girl and there wont be.You're funny lol

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06-10-2008, 09:17 PM

my ears are ringing

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06-10-2008, 09:18 PM

Sales dropped off some Im not broke the bills are covered just have to work harder. Like Alien said dropped doesnt mean broke. lol
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06-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by MandyBlake

my ears are ringing

BVF must not be married because if he was he would know. You just dont make wives do anything. lol

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