Russia and China, democracy and capitalism
 

Russia and China are somehow more democratic and capitalist than the US and UK, with less business regulation (wild capitalism), and leaders defending sovereignty & national interest (nationalism).

70% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. 70% of Americans want George W. Bush out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347749,00.html
Do you feel closer to internationalists like American and British governments, or nationalists like Russian and Chinese governments?

I invented The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

China: A country with very few human rights. Look at what they are doing to these Tibetan protesters. They are beating them, killing them, and throwing them in jail. What freedom do they have over there?

Russia: A country that claims they are a democracy now, yet are still stuck in their old Soviet Union ways. Remember that Moscow Seige in the Theater about five years ago? That is a perfect example of how they still deal with things. In secrecy. And the Russian people seem to not even care either. There was no protesting after the Russian Special Forces gassed and killed over 150 citizens. I think we forget how lucky we are here in America. We have problems too, but not as bad as these countries.

Who can possibly feel closer to these kind of governments?

"Russian Special Forces gassed and killed over 150 citizens"? Really? Do you remember how many citizens the CIA has killed on 9/11? Do you really happy with that?

P.S. How many US soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan for NOTHING? Do you call that democracy?

Walrus, use alternative sources of the information for reception of data on Russia, for example:
http://www.russiatoday.ru/

No i dont remember the CIA killing anyone on 9/11.. please hand me some waterproof numbers :thumbsup

I don't want to provide you any numbers. If you want you'll find them yourself.

yeah and I heard that New Orleans was flooded cause Bush forgot to turn off the tap in his bathtub...the bastard.

I don't know about New Orleans but I know this:
1) Osama Bin Laden is a former CIA agent.
2) The US air defence has shot down a civilian plane which was hijacked by terrorists and directed to Washington on 9/11. How many civilians died?
3) The CIA has all the info on terrorist plans a month before 9/11 but did nothing to prevent it (read: simply allowed thousands of the US civilians to die)
4) The CIA and Bush lied to start war in Iraq. This lie has killed thousands of American soldiers and over 1 million if Iraqi civilians.
5) Almost all the US soldiers who died in Afghanistan were killed by Taliban - the organization created by CIA.
etc..

Still funny? How could you call this a democracy if the US government and CIA use you as brainless bunch of sheep and send you to die just because they want? How long will you suffer that madness?

when you are in the military of ANY country you go into combat and die because your government wants you to....they dont start a debate with the soldiers and take a vote on who wants to go and who doesnt. Dont want to go into combat? Dont join the army.

And you are Russian yes? Then you have absolutely no valid ground to critize any other governments policies or actions. Clean up the shit in your own back yard first.

the CIA helped the taliban because The Russian govenrnment invaded afghanistan so in your logic the ultimate blame for the rise of power of Bin Ladin should go to the Russians.

AMEN TO THAT I wish americans would do that as well :thumbsup

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so the USA helped terrorists ??? or if you prefer " insurgents " .....

And now you guys bitch because Iraq neighbor ( and same religion ) is possibily helping the Iraqi Freedom Fighters .... :1orglaugh

You guys have a real hard time with logic .... :)

Seems you have no idea what democracy does mean :2 cents:

What a naive statement

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/n.../281105wtc.jpg

"Dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan", Rambo III

China and Russia both promote economic growth, they invest government money into busines.

China and Russia both peg thier currencies based on the United state dollar inorder to keep it at lower to dollar ratio.

These governments while not democratic are very involved in the day-to-day financial growth of thier citizens and business community.

The united states does give money to farmers, big oil and several other areas which a long time ago needed the money. We haven't invested in education, nor in the people who live in this country.

We are now importing nurses, doctors, scientist, programers, and many others as our population is not educated or trained to do these tasks.

Luckly as a human society, India and China are responding with more scientist, doctors, and programers.

Hey assian nurses are more polite!

whos bitching? where did I bitch? maybe you need to read better before making comments. I didnt agree with it...I mentioned that its hypocritical to critize another governments actions when your own has done the same if not worse things.

democracy is when the people elect their rules, which is what happens in the US...the person who gets elected may not be the best but he is elected...thats what a democracy is

maybe you should explain to me what a democracy is since you seem to be such an expert and live in a country where democratic ideals are held high...

how is it a naive statement? did the Russians not invale Afganistan? did they not murder thousands, rape, kill children? are you saying all that didnt happen?

Im not condoning what the CIA or the US government did but for you to critize another persons government and act like you are better is laughable when your own leaders are guilty of crimes just as bad...

Funny how all these people who denounce the US and their people and government have no problem taking their money....just like the same people complaining about China yet buy their goods at Walmart...

yeah same thing.....idiot..

the same "freedom fighters" from the same religion are killing their own people...

So most of the American citizens support war in Iraq and they are happy to know that US soldiers die there just for Bush's fun?

Because you helped to TERRORISTS and now you got paid for that on 100%.

Look at Chicago, they are doing the same thing to blacks there :2 cents:

not condoning what China is doing in Tibet but lets not forget that the majority of us only saw the part where the Chinese troops attacked the protesters....the media convienantly left out the part where the protesters were throwing rocks and other projectiles into the troops, actions which the Daila Lama himself has said goes against his belief of non violent methods.

Wish more people would watch BBC instead of Fox and CNN, still not perfect but definetely a lot less one sided.

the American people make their voices heard in many ways, and hopefully they will do it at the polling stations when it comes to elect a new leader...the people dont run the military, becuase they are not qualified to do so...thats why we put people in power who we think can do the best job...unfortunately that wasnt the case this time.

now let me ask you something, since you are hell bent of showing us how undemocratic the US is....what would happen if there were similar protests in Russia? You know the country where you "elect" your leaders, the country where only the guy picked by Putin gets any national air time to make his voice heard...

so when the Chechen rebels attack Russian civilians I guess I can say its just payback for how your government treats them right? and Im sure when that happens you will be fine with me saying it and wont argue any different...because its just you guys getting paid back.

Exactly as I expected: many words but no straight answer.

Are you stupid or what? Chechnya is a part of Russia, so if one Russian man is trying to kill another one, he's being considered as a criminal but not as a "rebel" or a "pope". How could you compare internal Russian criminals with external terrorism supported by your government? You really have a serious lack of logic :2 cents:

The US is run by unelected bureaucrats, elites and business leaders.

Big media is the unofficial US Department for Desinformation.

US and European Public don't know anything about the Council on Foreign Relations, the world's most influential think tank.

They are pro-war on terrorism, pro-globalization, pro-immigration ... etc. It doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda matches the West political agenda. What a happy coincidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council...eign_Relations
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200701...al-values.html

Also a pure coincidence if Western European Prime Ministers, US Presidents, former CIA agents and mega corporations are involved in the CFR.

A parallel can be drawn between Russian / Chinese and Western leaders.

All of them are pocketing enormous amounts of money by pretending to save their nation or the world.

So true.

Every point you made is 100% pigshit.

Of course, because everything about 9/11 is 100% pigshit :2 cents:

Cyberxxx STOP USING TIN FOIL!

Ya wrap food with it, ya do not fucken eat it!

The batshit insanity is strong in this one.

Actually that is not what a democracy is, and the U.S. is not a democracy. Sorry to be a jerk, but stating the U.S. is a democracy shows you don't know what that form of government is.

Bin Laden was not a former CIA tactician?

What evidence do you have that he was a CIA tactician? Most of the claims have been that the U.S. helped fund and sell weapons for groups he worked with. To call him a tactician is a stretch, he was hardly on the U.S. radar at the time.

how many did FBI burn alive in Waco, TX in 1992? remind me plz.

Oh come on. What was the government supposed to do? Just let a bunch of murderers and child rapists sit around?

really? didn't know kids can be "murderers and child rapists"..
http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-victims.html
who did they kill or rape?
so how is that any different from Russian special forces gassing terrorists and unfortunately inocent civilians? What were they supposed to do?

I never said that Russia is a true democratic country. But at least I can see and accept it. However, you can't. You still believe into all that bullshit about democracy, freedom etc. Very pathetic.

Putin jailed all the other "hopeful" candidates??? Really? You are crazy man, really :) Could you call at least 1-2 names here?

Any facts? Bush is estimated to be a son of devil. So what? Why should we speak about rumors like old loquacious women?

I never tried to give you any advices on democracy. I believe you confused me with someone else.