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DWB 04-18-2008 02:30 AM

To most of you shooting in HD - it looks like shit.
 
I'm appalled at how many (not all) of you are running sites bragging about "HD" and your content looks like ass. You can't simply swap out your camera for an HD cam and expect it to look great without adjustments. For starters you need a lot more light than you're used to. Hence why so many of the content looks darker than it should. What is the point of shooting in HD if it looks like shit?

Secondly, choose your models better. The point of HD is that it sees EVERYTHING. That means when you hire models with jacked up legs, scars, stretch marks or has a hairy body, IT SHOWS IT!!!

I'm not going to name any names but I'm seeing some top programs who was shooting KILLER content before, now have dark and lifeless looking videos.

I'll end this rant by saying that I can't stand downloading HD videos anyway. They are too big and unless you are on a blazing connection, they just take too long. I'm sitting here with my cock on my hand, wanting to cum, and it takes a fucking hour to download some of these videos. Pornography is an impulse industry. That means guys want INSTANT gratification. Translated, men want to cum RIGHT NOW, not in an hour. Those of you with cocks should know what I'm talking about.

:2 cents:

After Shock Media 04-18-2008 02:33 AM

I will say it again. The vast majority of porn is not made for HD.

I really think the only HD porn that should be shot is features with a budget big enough to have a staff of makeup people armed with gallons of coverup, buckets of powder, an air brush in one hand and a paint brush in the other.

Kroy 04-18-2008 02:36 AM

I'm agreeing with you but keep in mind that HD doesn't necessarily mean more lights are needed. It depends on the camera and its light sensitivity.
Also, there are many ways to minimize flaws when shooting in HD.
And I'm not talking rotoscoping each frame, either :)~

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-18-2008 02:45 AM

I Invented Near HD.

I also invented that if HD is online its not true HD.
However I invented the concept of what you are saying and I agree or I would not have invented it.

Alot of HD content out there looks like ass.

I Invented ass as well.

Mutt 04-18-2008 02:53 AM

i really don't like porn so far shot in HD - and Alien is right, it's not even real HD - the pseudo HD files are too fucking big already for your average cable or DSL user.

you could shoot SD video in 16:9 and encode using a moderately high bitrate and call it HD and nobody on the web would know the difference. there are some sites who do exactly that.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-18-2008 02:54 AM

16:9 Ftw!

DWB 04-18-2008 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kroy (Post 14083148)
I'm agreeing with you but keep in mind that HD doesn't necessarily mean more lights are needed. It depends on the camera and its light sensitivity.
Also, there are many ways to minimize flaws when shooting in HD.
And I'm not talking rotoscoping each frame, either :)~

Agreed. My point was that you have to know what you are doing rather than just swapping out one cam for another and continue shooting as is.

I personally don't shoot in HD. I don't think, nor do my current clients, that trannys look especially good in HD. Most of them have jacked up legs and body hair somewhere. The illusion of TS is better off in not so much detail.

DWB 04-18-2008 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14083163)
I Invented Near HD.

I also invented that if HD is online its not true HD.
However I invented the concept of what you are saying and I agree or I would not have invented it.

Alot of HD content out there looks like ass.

I Invented ass as well.

And I humbly thank you for inventing such thoughts and allowing them to freely flow into my brain, which there are rumors that you may have also invented.

L-Pink 04-18-2008 03:21 AM

Most real fucking happens with mood lighting ..... for a reason.

sicone 04-18-2008 03:24 AM

If I truly wanted HD porn I'd fuck my own lady with my eyes open


Porn is a fantasy, please dont show us the true to life flaws. I can see those on the average ho at the 7-11

Shoehorn! 04-18-2008 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kroy (Post 14083148)
I'm agreeing with you but keep in mind that HD doesn't necessarily mean more lights are needed. It depends on the camera and its light sensitivity.
Also, there are many ways to minimize flaws when shooting in HD.
And I'm not talking rotoscoping each frame, either :)~

The trailers and editing work on your site is awesome. :thumbsup

sicone 04-18-2008 03:42 AM

btw.. dont get me wrong.. i love some of the shit shot by some out doors with the natural lights, sky, clouds and shit. Some of that shit rocks (catilyst (sp) ) but the video on the actual porn sets.. fuck me... are you serious

DWB 04-18-2008 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicone (Post 14083212)
If I truly wanted HD porn I'd fuck my own lady with my eyes open


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 04-18-2008 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083141)
I'm appalled at how many (not all) of you are running sites bragging about "HD" and your content looks like ass. You can't simply swap out your camera for an HD cam and expect it to look great without adjustments. For starters you need a lot more light than you're used to. Hence why so many of the content looks darker than it should. What is the point of shooting in HD if it looks like shit?

Secondly, choose your models better. The point of HD is that it sees EVERYTHING. That means when you hire models with jacked up legs, scars, stretch marks or has a hairy body, IT SHOWS IT!!!

I'm not going to name any names but I'm seeing some top programs who was shooting KILLER content before, now have dark and lifeless looking videos.

I'll end this rant by saying that I can't stand downloading HD videos anyway. They are too big and unless you are on a blazing connection, they just take too long. I'm sitting here with my cock on my hand, wanting to cum, and it takes a fucking hour to download some of these videos. Pornography is an impulse industry. That means guys want INSTANT gratification. Translated, men want to cum RIGHT NOW, not in an hour. Those of you with cocks should know what I'm talking about.

:2 cents:

gee, sorry to hear that stud muffin.... the HD I shoot looks FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!! -bmb

DWB 04-18-2008 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14083306)
gee, sorry to hear that stud muffin.... the HD I shoot looks FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!! -bmb

I haven't seen yours but if it looks awesome, consider yourself one of the few. Though based on past posts you have made about your knowledge about production, I'd guess yours would look good.

Jay-Rock 04-18-2008 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083388)
I haven't seen yours but if it looks awesome, consider yourself one of the few. Though based on past posts you have made about your knowledge about production, I'd guess yours would look good.

My HD stuff its well lit and looks good however Im using the HVX 200 and it requires alot of light which is the pain becasue of the small 1/3 inch CCDS New cameras are coming out that have bigger 1/2 inch chips which Im soon moving to. The HD cameras on the market have some great skin softening filters that work wonders. Most shooters don't know how to use this but it works great. You guys may not appreciate HD right now but they stopped making SDTVs so you will only be able to upconvert your old videos which will look like shit, while us HD guys will be able to watch our shit in HD. You guys need to think about the future and where your content will be shown. One day your home computer may be displayed on your HDTV, that SD will look like shit compare to the HD stuff.

DIVX has a way to watch your HD content on your HDTV already.

http://www.divx.com/connected/

this is the future of porn since I believe one day that we will view everything on an HDTV display.

Jay-Rock 04-18-2008 06:49 AM

Watch and of your HD internet content on your TV with one of these bad boys.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X4F7RO?ie=UTF8&tag=divxcom06-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeAS IN=B000X4F7RO

Allhdreview - Jasin 04-18-2008 06:58 AM

I agree with what DirtyWhiteBoy says, for the most part. There is a lot of programs thinking they can jump on the 'hd bandwagon' and produce widescreen videos with their handycams that look like complete pixelated shit.

However, some sponsors do get it right :)

Jens Van Assterdam 04-18-2008 06:59 AM

i look great in HD!

timebomb011 04-18-2008 07:00 AM

lets call a spade a spade. no one is shooting HD. everyone is shooting HDV.

Cyndalie 04-18-2008 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 14083210)
Most real fucking happens with mood lighting ..... for a reason.

So True!

J. Falcon 04-18-2008 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083194)
And I humbly thank you for inventing such thoughts and allowing them to freely flow into my brain, which there are rumors that you may have also invented.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

stickyfingerz 04-18-2008 07:27 AM

HD for the pc is like brand new video games are for the pc. Usually the user if they want the FULL effect of the game need to upgrade hardware and possibly connection. If you think our connections will always be too slow to support viewing of full tilt hd video you are kidding yourself. What was your connection like in 1998? 56k for most if they were lucky. In 10 years its blown up. www.hulu.com for those in the U.S. I can watch videos on there full screen on my 22" widescreen monitors with no buffering at superb quality with no pixilation issues.

Now sure there will be people having to adapt and how to properly shoot hd, and how to properly prepare models in order to shoot in that quality. If you think people are going to continue to be happy with their porn at 512k 320x240 you are deluded. If they can watch the office at 3360x1050 with out a glitch or a buffer do you think they will be happy on a paysite that can barely stream 640x480 at 1100k after a 2 minute buffer wait?

Flash 3 and Silverlight both can deliver video amazingly fast with little to no buffer if on the proper network. Adult needs to continue to innovate or some mainstream company is going to step in and show us how things are done folks.


CDN looks to me like a step in the right direction. Just my 2 cents on it.

DWB 04-18-2008 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 14083650)

this is the future of porn since I believe one day that we will view everything on an HDTV display.

No doubt its the future.

Though as you said, most don't know how to use the cameras and it looks like shit now, and it will look like shit in 5 years and it will look like shit until they learn how to use it.

s9ann0 04-18-2008 07:55 AM

yea HD is overrated all round

I am sick of going on piratebay to download the latest movies and seeing 4GB HD rips

I would rather just have a 700mb file

DWB 04-18-2008 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14083777)
If you think people are going to continue to be happy with their porn at 512k 320x240 you are deluded. If they can watch the office at 3360x1050 with out a glitch or a buffer do you think they will be happy on a paysite that can barely stream 640x480 at 1100k after a 2 minute buffer wait?

I disagree with you here. Not every porn consumer cares about the latest technology. This industry is fast to forget it comes down to one thing, a hot girl (or whatever floats their boat). Nothing more, nothing less. Most consumers are not going to care if it's full screen, though it IS nice, or it's 640x480, the bottom line always boils down to a hot chick getting fucked or being sexy, in any format.

I personally like, and I know lots of people who also do, homemade porn. The more homemade the better. Camera on a tripod, real couples fucking, real sex. It doesn't matter to me if it's shitty footage on a cell phone (which is often the best) or its some shit cam picked up at Best Buy, it's ALWAYS going to boil down to a hot girl or hot sex. To go a step further, I hardly ever even look at videos anyway. I'm a PHOTO porn consumer above all and only yank to videos when I find a nice amateur movie of a hot girl that fits my need at that time.

Yes, there are guys who do crave the latest video formats and the largest photos, but I don't think the general public cares when they have a cock in their hand and want to wack off. There are guys who will join the HD and very high quality sites, and there will always be guys, like me, who will take anything they can get so long as it's real and not phony LA crap with porn stars.

To date my best selling, top converting, top retaining site has the worst content I have ever shot on it. Going on 5 years old, it STILL converts a under 1:400 and the average member stays for at least 3 - 5 months. Yes, still today. Nothing is of high quality on this site but it fits the niche that it's in, is exclusive and it updates on time. Never once has a member asked when we were going to start shooting in HD. I can't argue with the numbers, though I know my case is not the same as yours.

I'm just saying there are all kinds of porn consumers out there who are more than happy to watch anything they can get their hands on so long as it GETS THEM OFF!!! We can't assume that just because technology is going in one direction that all of our consumers will too. It's all about getting off to hot girls. Hell, they don't even have to be hot to you or me so long as they are hot to that consumer.

DWB 04-18-2008 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s9ann0 (Post 14083866)
yea HD is overrated all round

I am sick of going on piratebay to download the latest movies and seeing 4GB HD rips

I would rather just have a 700mb file

Agreed.

Would you cum any harder or faster if your movie was in HD?

[ Nate ] 04-18-2008 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14083163)

I Invented ass as well.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :thumbsup:thumbsup

[ Nate ] 04-18-2008 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083872)
I personally like, and I know lots of people who also do, homemade porn. The more homemade the better. Camera on a tripod, real couples fucking, real sex. It doesn't matter to me if it's shitty footage on a cell phone (which is often the best) or its some shit cam picked up at Best Buy, it's ALWAYS going to boil down to a hot girl or hot sex.

Amen! I LOVE homemade porn. I can't even watch the 'produced' stuff anymore. If its not homemade, or a really convincing 'look a like' (grainy, low lit, etc), it won't work for me. My penis's time is way to important to waste it on high gloss porn.

RevengeBucks_Monica 04-18-2008 08:23 AM

While I feel what you have said about homemade porn is absolutely true, and you're right that there is a lot of HD out there being shot all wrong, resulting in crap... I think that there will always be an audience that demands high quality and wants the latest technology. These are the guys that are going to have fibre optic connections and have the speed it takes to get what they want FAST.

I think what we're seeing is just the beginnings of HD and it's potential and in time, there will be more and more HD done right.

Jay-Rock 04-18-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebomb011 (Post 14083676)
lets call a spade a spade. no one is shooting HD. everyone is shooting HDV.

Im shooting HDVC PRO not HDV

Eman - PG 04-18-2008 08:31 AM

We have full HD. Here's a true 1920x1080 screencap from our videos:
http://perfectgonzo.com/i/screenshot_sample.jpg

Kroy 04-18-2008 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 14083228)
The trailers and editing work on your site is awesome. :thumbsup

Hey man I really appreciate that, thank you. Made my day bro :thumbsup

stickyfingerz 04-18-2008 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083872)
I disagree with you here. Not every porn consumer cares about the latest technology. This industry is fast to forget it comes down to one thing, a hot girl (or whatever floats their boat). Nothing more, nothing less. Most consumers are not going to care if it's full screen, though it IS nice, or it's 640x480, the bottom line always boils down to a hot chick getting fucked or being sexy, in any format.

I personally like, and I know lots of people who also do, homemade porn. The more homemade the better. Camera on a tripod, real couples fucking, real sex. It doesn't matter to me if it's shitty footage on a cell phone (which is often the best) or its some shit cam picked up at Best Buy, it's ALWAYS going to boil down to a hot girl or hot sex. To go a step further, I hardly ever even look at videos anyway. I'm a PHOTO porn consumer above all and only yank to videos when I find a nice amateur movie of a hot girl that fits my need at that time.

Yes, there are guys who do crave the latest video formats and the largest photos, but I don't think the general public cares when they have a cock in their hand and want to wack off. There are guys who will join the HD and very high quality sites, and there will always be guys, like me, who will take anything they can get so long as it's real and not phony LA crap with porn stars.

To date my best selling, top converting, top retaining site has the worst content I have ever shot on it. Going on 5 years old, it STILL converts a under 1:400 and the average member stays for at least 3 - 5 months. Yes, still today. Nothing is of high quality on this site but it fits the niche that it's in, is exclusive and it updates on time. Never once has a member asked when we were going to start shooting in HD. I can't argue with the numbers, though I know my case is not the same as yours.

I'm just saying there are all kinds of porn consumers out there who are more than happy to watch anything they can get their hands on so long as it GETS THEM OFF!!! We can't assume that just because technology is going in one direction that all of our consumers will too. It's all about getting off to hot girls. Hell, they don't even have to be hot to you or me so long as they are hot to that consumer.

Well more or less what I was pointing out was when there are FREE mainstream sites pushing that kind of quality the consumer is going to become used to it. Then if they are PAYING for a service and it doesnt come close to what a free to consumer service is doing they might have reservations about that rebill. :winkwink:

Halcyon 04-18-2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicone (Post 14083212)
If I truly wanted HD porn I'd fuck my own lady with my eyes open

HAHAHAHA!!!

classic.

faxxaff 04-18-2008 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083191)
AMost of them have jacked up legs and body hair somewhere. The illusion of TS is better off in not so much detail.

Tasty :-) some backlight and it will shimmer :-) I will buy!!!!!

payd2purv 04-18-2008 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14083141)
I'm appalled at how many (not all) of you are running sites bragging about "HD" and your content looks like ass. You can't simply swap out your camera for an HD cam and expect it to look great without adjustments. For starters you need a lot more light than you're used to. Hence why so many of the content looks darker than it should. What is the point of shooting in HD if it looks like shit?

Secondly, choose your models better. The point of HD is that it sees EVERYTHING. That means when you hire models with jacked up legs, scars, stretch marks or has a hairy body, IT SHOWS IT!!!

I'm not going to name any names but I'm seeing some top programs who was shooting KILLER content before, now have dark and lifeless looking videos.

I'll end this rant by saying that I can't stand downloading HD videos anyway. They are too big and unless you are on a blazing connection, they just take too long. I'm sitting here with my cock on my hand, wanting to cum, and it takes a fucking hour to download some of these videos. Pornography is an impulse industry. That means guys want INSTANT gratification. Translated, men want to cum RIGHT NOW, not in an hour. Those of you with cocks should know what I'm talking about.

:2 cents:

:thumbsup:1orglaugh

Greatest post ever.

might I add... Just because you call it HD doesn't mean it's HD....

Sebastian Sands 04-18-2008 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 14083970)
Im shooting HDVC PRO not HDV

Same here, depending on the client of course.

Jim_Gunn 04-18-2008 10:19 AM

I agree that trannys should be shot in standard def, since they look fucked up and hairy and mannish in sharp detail but as far as pretty girls, I would never go back to filming in SD at this point unless a client specifically insisted on it. Of course one has to hire pretty models without a lot of flaws, and generally use a lot of good quality and well placed lights, and hire a good makeup artist to properly show the detail when one shoots in HD. It also helps to know what you are doing with the video encoding aspect to make the resultant compressed files (WMV, QT etc) look as good as possible. I know my customers are happy with my efforts.

Of course there are major trade offs in quality and file size. Yes the files are huge, but one can always split the video into clips and also offer a much smaller frame sized file like a 480 x 270 version at say 1500 Kbps bitrate or so. It still looks way better than if you had filmed in SD and exported at say 512 x 384, assuming that you lit the set properly and encoded it using the best codecs.

marcop 04-18-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebomb011 (Post 14083676)
lets call a spade a spade. no one is shooting HD. everyone is shooting HDV.

True... but let's be kind: most of them don't know the difference between HDV and HD anyway.


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