Post your Bad Experience With Joel
 

It seems that Joel has pissed off more than his share of people on this board and in our industry. I think it's time people know what a scumbag this guy is.


I've got a BOOK i can write on this guy.

I wouldn't know where to start. Here are a few:

-He use to double cross Jeff and Gavin by giving people higher % on the busty amateurs revshare in exchange for traffic to his webmaster resource site. I'm sure Jeff and Gavin had no idea about that.

- he loved using his BA power and threatening to close accounts. When you called him on his bluff and said "Go ahead close it" he'd say no but watch yourself. I'm sure a few old webmasters will know what I'm talking about.

- When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer.

- He thought that if he got daizie to call me I'd melt and hand over the domain. That's an insult of my intelligence.

- He's continually tried to get us to stop promoting his main competition -- BigNaturals and Scoreland. Both of those sites are very solid and are money in the bank. Joel has done nothing but try to run down their name to us. Bringing up ludicrous claims and made up a number of lies regarding them.

- From posts and emails I've read he treats every webmaster like shit and is two faced with everyone. The minute you turn your back he is talking shit about you and trying to make a buck by exposing you.


I've got a bunch more. I thought these would get the ball rolling. So let's hear your Joel story.

This thread is way out of line!

I think it is very appropriate today :thumbsup

If you are such an angel you have nothing to worry about.

I can just picture Joel sending out a mass email to all his webmasters

"If any of you post on Shap's thread I'll CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT and keep your money. If you don't post I'll let you meet my FRIENDS Daizie and Aria in vegas :Graucho "

Fire up that mass webmaster emailer Joel

I like shap and his partner. :thumbsup

I love the cock

You've been served.

I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones:1orglaugh

I signed up to Want Boobs using epoch a while back and submitted one gallery and one avs site as a test. You know those "Join Now for $7.95" links all over the front page? Half of them took my user id out of the links when clicked. That's damn near 50% shave. I got no sign ups btw. My link code was something like wantboobs.com/8/index.html and then when you got to the signup page my userid would replace the 8. Well a week or so later i went back to look at my gallery, followed the link and saw that the /8/ no longer went to my userid, but someone else's.

Personally, I just want to know what the fuck drove Jeff into insanity...

- When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer.

This one happened to us. There are always two sides to any story and I am sure Joel's perspective on this one is that he was dealing with all potential buyers straightup, but I was left with the distinct feeling we were not treated well and were just a tool to make Truecash ante up higher.

wa wa wa

Unzip the pants, baby !

I have no idea about your guys past with Joel but I have been doing work for him for about a 1 1/2 years and not once have I had any bad dealings with him.

We tells me what he wants I do it and always get paid. Its been
like that since day one.

I will admit sometimes he does like to stick his foot in his mouth on GFY and I dont know why but overall I have had no negative business deals with him ever.

Are yours real Barney?

lesson - don't badmouth snake and shap.

ever

Can we badmouth you though? Cause, you know, the sun cant rise unless were taking shots at you. hehe

you wouldn't say anything bad about me after I let your goat much on my chicken when we sat beside each other on the airplane would you?

touche

i fucked em

After reading the "hosted gallery" post I entered the thread full intending to promote them but after seeing how it turned out, changed my mind.

It's one thing to have a disagreement with someone, even confusion regarding the templates but threatening to not pay and changing his password to FORCE him to contact them because the webmaster didn't want to.

well... that's EXTORTION

Not cool and not someone I would want to do business with.

I'll never understand why these people hire photographers, graphic designers, programmers, etc.. but don't recognize the importance of a good professional, trained PR person.


RD

Joel or the party goat?

god shap, don't even get me started.....
yan

believe me...you want absolutely no qualms with me..and im definitely not the one for talk :)


p.s. party goat will be making an appearance in Vegas..here is your chance to take a flick with the living legend! Brought to you by Pr0 Farms!

Jesus...:winkwink:

I've had nothing but mutually beneficial biz type relationship with Joel.

He sends me $$ and I send him quality custom amateur content. what more could I ask for?

:)

hummm - interesting that was yoru FIRST post on GFY.

The two ppl that have had good relations with him are his website designer and content provider. Makes sense.

I wouldn't fuck with Frankie. I've heard nothing but good about him and his photography.

Joel is on the Jesus Dialer VIP list.
He gets 15% off on all his calls.

WTF??? Aria got a boob job? That would be like a crime against humanity......

She was just on Howard a couple weeks ago, I could have sworn she said they were real.

She deny that fisting video if we had not the proof.

:stoned

There are 2 fisting videos.. one was shot by another photog and not released at her request.

Hahahahaha Right The FUCK On dude, I totally agree!

As for Joel, I've known the cat for a long time and he's been a straight shooter with me as long as I can recall. He taught me a decent amount about this business when I was just starting out.

As for this other stuff, these guys are bigger fish than I and I knwo Boss and Shap and those guys are straight shooters too, and fair as a motherfucker so I'd ahev to say this is probably a personal dispute that doesn't belong here.

So if any of you guys are LOOKING for a PR guy to keep you stinky shit in the outhouse...well you can always ICQ me.

Frankie is cool. He's one of the people that fucked up AG tried to illegally take down a while back. He fights back. :)

i never said he wasn't cool - I said that it was an interesting first post. look at the number of posts beside his name.

Why does this ALWAYS make me laugh?

I would like to start by saying that this Shap person makes
me sick.

I have known Joel since my first shoot with busty amateurs
several years ago. he was nice to me when jeff and gavin
were being rude.

we recently, months back, become friends again after
an amount of time that I was not shooting.

joel paid to setup my new site which i am very greatful about.
oh, when Jeff and I went to dinner once in 2000 or 1999, anyways
he told me that he owed Joel alot for all his work in running busty amateurs.


this is my thoughts!

AM

i'll vouch for both shap and frankie. both are straight shooters.