Now this is what you call "FUCKED UP!"
 

From the Bush speech

"the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy"

HELLLLLOOOOOO

What about the American economy?????

What the fuck does Bush know about economy?

am I wrong?

It wouldn't take much to rebuild their crappy economy. So this seems an easy claim to make.

How about lifting their sanctions? That might help. Cuba has a shitty economy, how about lifting those... it might help.

With their oil resources, their economy was doing just fine before sanctions. A little debt from the Iran / Iraq war, but nothing taking back Kuwait wouldnt fix.

But as the Bush family has oil interests in Kuwait, it was out of the question.

A McDonald's and a 7-11 on every block......
I can't wait until we can get into Iraq and start shooting some Iraqi porn........

one could argue that restoring peace and stability in the region would have a positive effect on our economy and more importantly, promote growth in eastern european countries by opening new markets that otherwise would not exist.

we will give them 3 chickens and a goat... they will be fine :winkwink:

It's just an outrage how many people don't have jobs here in the US so many people need financial help right here in the US.

Can you remember the last time he gave a speech about that?

All he has been doing is traveling all over raising money.

And talking about 2 things.

1)Write me a blank check for a homeland security office that I can do what I want.

2)Write me a blank check to do what I want with iraq

Yes your wrong. Blaming Bush for the economy is like blaming a current army general for Vietnam.

The economy was coming down when clinton was in office. The internet boom was built on faulty business plans.

The seeds of enron, worldcom, etc were planted in the 90s.

Throw in the 911 shit, and that brings us to where we are now.

ColKurtz you are right about that but common it would help if he spoke about the economy and show people hes trying to do something about it.

Instead all we hear is donate money, write blank checks....

if you know anything about macro economics, you would know that the economy goes through natural cycles and has very little to do with the president or economic policy, nor is it something that can be turned around on a whim.

however, attacking dictators is a great distraction that makes everyone feel better about themselves.

i am just hoping we can see more of those missiles with the cams in the nose cones... those things kick ass! :thumbsup

Hmmm I wonder how many of the current cabinet have ties with Enron, Worldcom, etc...

Cheney ran Haliburton. Which traded illegally with Iraq. Whitman owns stock in every major chemical corporation in America... and runs the EPA.



I wonder where our interests lie.

The crooks thats fucked up the economy, now run the country. And you expect them to fix it?

not really, the truth of the matter is our economy grew at an inflated rate, companies were trading at 100's X earnings and people were still buying. An economy taking a spill generally happens when when no one is dumb enough to by stocks at their current valuations. There are more sellers than buyers. You throw in 9/11 and all of a sudden you have a barrier to growth. People and businesses are reluctant to spend and grow. This is where war comes in. War removes that barrier and we rebuild the economy through expansion and increased spending at the corporate/institutional level.

My friend's cat's breath smells like cat food...

i would certainly trust businessmen to run the economy over idealists trying to find some kind of socialist utopia

Visa will take care of the US economy :1orglaugh

They are making big deals about Martha Stewart for some silly gain she made that really did not hurt anyone and the whole thing is less then 250K

While Enron (we all know the president as well as others are involved) hurt so many people

Enron hurt investors, employees etc.

Where is everyone on that?

nothing.......

I am not saying he can do anything about the economy but whats wrong is,

While so many american people are having a hard time making ends meet and while the country is fighting a serious terror was he takes 30 days vacation (and comes back on a friday before a weekend so he had off till tuesday!)

All he talks about is give me money for homeland office and shit and every week in a different twon raising money

Come on its not right

It seems to me that helping rebuild Iraq will be good for the economy, if your measure of the economy is jobs. Any help we give them is bound to mean somebody will have to make something, pack something, haul something, or load it on a ship or plane.

Enron was not a big deal?
last i checked, people were going to prison for it and a whole package of laws were passed implementing new accounting standards and accountability for CEO's. Arthur Anderson Accounting closed its doors which was one of the "Big 8" accounting firms in the world.

thats the way it should be.

Why is Martha Stuart and he whole insider trading scandal any less serious? it is the same as everything else that is undermining confidence in the market

I agree with you about the cycles. The President needs to talk about rebuilding the economy and using our tax dollars to spur investment.

The reason we dont come out of the haze is because John Q Public still believes that the economy is shit. That war he's talking about not only will get him re-elected, it will make us feel godd about oursleves.

People have to live I was in the city today and its fucked up people standing on corners looking for jobs I mean everyday people have expenses

Its sad regardless of everything and thats it

i firmly beleive that if there was no 9/11 Bush would be a VERY unpopular guy right now. However, he and his team are some of the brighter politicians in existence. They have survived every attack the democrats have thrown their way and his ratings are still high.

going into Iraq will be a long, drawn out thing with a lot of success, handshakes and international support of a new and better government and his ratings will still be high. just like Afghanistan.

if he needs another boogeyman to fight or dragon to slay before elections - there are plenty out there. :)

right now the whole civilized world is in a state of "what will happen next" which is a barrier for economic growth. You remove that barrier, create stability in the middle east and spending/expansion will continue. Heres a simple question: Are we more likely to build a skyscraper now, or after we create a sense of stability in the middle east?

look at it the other way...

when was that not true? when was that time in history when people looked around and said "you know, things are fuckin great"?

its never happened.

its like cleaning a dirty wall... the cleaner it gets, you still only see the dirty spots. you never notice that it is 22.3% cleaner than when you started.

the president of the united states cannot wave a magic wand and improve the economy and create jobs and make your life super peachy keen. only you can. sometimes its harder, sometimes its easier.

trut me if you where in NYC today you would be so outraged its not even funny

http://www.wewantwork.com

The above guys have people looking for job on street corners in the city with signs on them

When you see that in person its very upsetting, I wish I could help them with a job I just can't I did get one guy an interview at a bank thou

I dont blame people for wanting work and doing anything to get a job. There are some major issues affecting the US workforce:

Many jobs are tech-related and the workforce needs to adapt to this fact.

People have to be able to change careers

People have to be willing to move

Corporate officers need to be held accountable for their actions

Sorry - just some ramblings but I think they are relevant.

very true smash!

i wouldnt be outraged because i have never structured my life around the idea that security and happiness in life can be found in working for others... or that someone owes me something. I have never blamed others or the economy. i have learned to blame myself, which is one of my greatest strengths in life.

if you blame everything around you... then you have to change everything around you to improve your own life. if you blame yourself, you can change immediately and take control of your own destiny.

i have been broke plenty of times. i just lost almost everything i had to my name in a failed venture.

the reason i am making money today and doing well, is because it never occured to me to stand on a street corner.

look its sad to see people stand on corners

Gonads and strife

yes, i agree. like you, i think they should be arrested for that.

Gonads and strife

The people here are mostly singles with a few more options than the people that are let go of in places like Houston. Demographics say that people in the other cities are more likely to have kids to support. Those are the ones I truly feel sorry for.

In response to someones post earlier that said Bush can't really do anything to help the economy... Yes he can!

Let me ask you this, do you think the misappropriations that Dennis Kozlowski from Tyco, The Enron gang, and Worldcom were serious enough to cause the firing of thousands of Americans?

I don't think so. Tyco was doing well. No layoffs in sight. Until the Ken Starr like probings began.

Bush needs to slow these BS probings down. Martha Stewart even?!?! C'mon maaan! The nerds that are starting these investigations and crating media buzz are finally starting to get a lil attention so they are lining executives up like dominoes.

It has to stop, it is killing our already hurting economy.

Bush knows how to declare a war. He has never declared that a war is over. Iraq, Afghanistan are recent examples. Who knows tomorrow. He must be having a new country in his kind for a war. Fuck the economy. He is getting his salary regularly.

It took ten days into his "office" before I realized the guy was an idiot (and hell.. I'm slow!)... so comes are no surprise to see the current state.

I only hope there is some consideration to human life on both side in his "wars".

I agree, the US economy is totally messed and has been in state of denial for some time. Truth is, there is no "expert" on the economy in the Admin, - tis only a "war committee"... so no surprise there either.

I think US citizens are entitled to better "leadership" than this... tis a damned disgrace - shit.. and ya gotta pay for this???

Peace!

Stealthy


Thats really weired
My dog's breath also smells like cat food!!
I wonder whats up with that?


:winkwink:

They are getting the Enron people as you speak and will be getting more... My understanding of it is... Enron is just a little harder because it is lot more complex...the way Enron was set up... all the partnerships. just hold your shorts..

what's wrong with you helping those people..standing in the corner...go get one bring him home with you....or load up your car with food..go back to town and give it away... don't just stand on your soap box and talk about WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS NOT DOING. why don't you do something?:helpme

Heh!!!