Summary of our Red Tube Thread
 

I thought I'd start this thread because my main message got completely lost and twisted. So here is a summary of what I've been trying to say about the RedTube situation.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. I think we spent somewhere between $2,500,000 and $3,000,000 on content production last year alone. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2 minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

For those calling me an idiot for starting the thread. I only started it because for the past week there were multiple posts saying they wish Twistys would comment on it. So I did. I didn't start the thread for praise. I'm not an idiot. I knew it was going to upset some people. I just wanted to set the record straight. I've always been upfront and outspoken. I wasn't going to change now just because the message I had to deliver wasn't going to be popular.

I expect 4 pages again ;)

i like poo

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Contest/sig whores should stay out of some threads. :2 cents:

So should silly seo guys.

Out of the whole thread, (sorry I stopped reading it at some point when comments were just getting too silly) did anyone come out with any constructive ideas on how to fight the illegal tube sites? (other than DRM)

**Note:: I DID see quantum-x said he built software that would track the user that got access to your site and uploaded it. I'd like him to elaborate on how it works.

Webmasters have to figure that it's like one army against each 'site'. Tube-site owner (putting their site out there), their ad agency (more than willing to sell this traffic to devil to get their chunk of the pie), dating/cam/shady companies (buying up the traffic and funding them) and then there are the users, thousands/millions of them joining sites, downloading your entire sites and then sharing some (perhaps all).

When they are stealing 'your' content - even your competitors and 'friends' and companies you thought were allies are working against you. In fact, I'm sure a few of you webmasters have 'helped' in all of this by building up the 'marketing budget' for at least 1-2 and perhaps 3 of these companies, despite what is being done to damage YOUR bottomline, as well as the bottomline of honest programs that are paying you for your traffic.

Obviously, going after each site as an individual company and fighting them isn't going to help. Going after each member is going to be even more costly. Add to the fact that some are out of the country - and it makes it more complicated. Everyone working together will help. The problem is, how do we keep the good guys from going bad? If they can't afford being in business anymore, what can 'we' do to help them to keep seeing the 'right' way to do business?

I'm not saying everyone bend over and lube up, produce content to feed their sites cuz that's all that's left to do, NO - just saying, rather than nailing someone to a cross for trying to work with them to curb how they get fucked over - give constructive criticism, so here's my question:
"What would you recommend to all sponsors facing the same issue?"

I don't think a loser who's been online for years who's only income is contest threads should post his opinion in this thread. In other words: Piss off dumb pathetic kid.

lets make 5 pages again .. lol

Jet you're a goddamn idiot.

Unless you have that much cash, on hand right now...or you spend that much on content yourself, you need to STFU.

It's easy for all the idiots in the cheap seats to pontificate about what the "people with money" ought to do. (fight 2257 for you, fight acacia for you, fight the tube sites for you)
But until you have skin in the game, you should shut the fuck up, because you're all hat and no cattle.

this summed it up for me, if you dont have credibility, you dont have anything

Well some of us understood ya, Shap. :) And not all moves we have to make in business are popular, but people tend to forget this is still a business at the end, and people have to do what's best and makes sense for their business. Honestly mad kudos for standing up and doign SOMETHING instead of just sitting back and letting the pillage continue. As I said in your other threads, making those kinds of people ACCOUNTABLE for what they do with your content is a step in the right direction. Any problem can only be tackled one step at a time.

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On a side note, as somebody brought up in the original thread, has anybody actually found out about legal tube sites from anywhere else but them being mentioned on GFY or another adult webmaster forum? I know I haven't.

:2 cents:

Easy for you to say when it's someone else's money :P

Damn, well, pretty much. lol.

He admitted that he is broke..hes been online since 2002 and maybe longer and his income is contest threads. Can you believe that someone like that has the guts to say stuff like he did in this thread. Unbelievable. Someone should put that kid in place. Probably his mommy.

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you are in no position to talk down to sigwhores

:1orglaugh

I may be broke, but I have learned a thing or two over the time.

Shap is fucking surfers over with pre-checked cross sales and then comes here whinig about tube site not being fair.

LOL?

If you're spending that much on content, and having seen bits of it I can believe your numbers, you must have a lawyer on retainer and someone, or some people, either in house or external to track it down and handle it, Shap?

Twistys join page:

[x] Sign me up for a 3 day trial Membership to www.brazzers.com for $1.00. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.97 every 1 month. Terms and Conditions

Jet is a moron but this fact remarkably remains ignored.

A spade is a spade....

Lenny they should be fighting it for themselves instead of rolling over. Shap says he has been fighting it for 7 yrs, how many courts cases against thiefs? against advertisers that support thieves? I dont know about you if I was spending 2-3 million on content, I would be a very large pain in the ass.At the very least hire 10 outsourced people with nothing to do all day long but find my content and send dmca's all day long.
Im a little guy so all I can do is get fucked and smile but to have the means and do nothing is fucking crazy to me. Then say well I will made a deal and they fucked him anyway.

Also if someone doesnt want commentary dont post on fucking gfy. lol

Also Im not posting in thread again because this shit really fucking upsets me and I wont have my sunday ruined over this.

Really? Anything in my sig that I don't own? I will talk down to you at any opportunity. Did you return the Christmas gifts you stole from your neighbors?

one honest question... Did you really expect thieves to be honest with you and honor the requirements you set for them?

Everyone knows that site makes money off of stolen content. There are good tube sites out there with out stolen content and there are bad ones with stolen content. They are the way they are because it makes them more money. They could easily change if they wanted to but they dont. If they removed all the stolen content they would be left with a site full of sponsor approved stuff that was 3 mins long or less, and they would lose marketshare to megarotic or youtube.

"Mad kudos for standing up and doing SOMETHING instead of sitting back and letting the pillage continue."

Maybe I missed it what did Shap do? He said Redtube contacted him and wanted to be an affiliate and work with him and put his content on their site (which is full of stolen content). He said ok but only is you do these requirements. They ignored his requirements and he suspended their account.

I miss what the made kudos and doing SOMETHING should be for? He thought theives will play ball with him and be honest, he was wrong. Did I miss anything?

Amen, and the ignore feature works well too, i have tons of people on it I don't want to hear from. :2 cents:

I didn't expect them to be easy to deal with but did offer to give them a chance and see if they could prove me wrong.

Now an honest question for you.

When you bragged to Mike about how much you've made on ICQ. Did you think you were going to impress him with that number?

can I quote you on that ?:winkwink:

Shap - Have you checked with counsel about the possibility of going after AFF as a contributory infringer?

Shap... whatever you do i think is a good move. You have proved you know what the fuck is going on in this business. Thanks for the info on why.

This industry has always been shady one way or another. We all know you cant beat them sometimes you have to join them to a certain degree. Nobody can Police the Porn on the net its impossible.

I understand your fustration

you have not tried sueing one person, you have no right to complain period

so they basically admitted to you that they allow stolen content but they would be nice to you?? Well, they have to find some way to make their theft pay off. You are just the washing machine for the illegal money.

"It's not wrong if you can convince yourself it's ok"

quoted for truth.

That alone should be enough to make any real business shun them. I'll guarantee that any attorney would insist that his/her client not conduct business with RedTube. But where there's a penny to be made, someone will chase after it. When the lawsuits finally rain down on RedTube, don't be surprised if its paid advertisers are listed amongst the defendants.

We currently are not doing business with RedTube

Renegades and Rebels.

Gonna be that way forever. Make your decisions accordingly.