Should revshare webmasters get paid for pre-checked cross sales?
 

On a 50/50 rev share program....that has a pre-checked $40 cross sale on the signup form....should the program owner pay the webmaster 50% of that profit?

And which programs are doing it......

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On a 50/50 rev program it should defiantly be split.

NO, you get 50% of the site sale. That's it.

Unless webmasters start paying 50% of the hosting bills, staff fees, design, code work, office space and so on... then NO! They get their % of the site sale, no more.

Greedy bastards.

Why only Rev Share? Why not PPS too?

They should, but I don't know a single program doing it...would be about time that affiliates in revshare programs get a share of upsells and xsells.

A PSS program may need to keep them to afford high PSS payouts, no problem, although I think a member is worth alot more than 35$ on average, since even when they quit their membership, you can still mail them forever and sooner or later they'll buy a membership or whatever again.

Absolutely 100%

Revshare covers the site being sold.

That said.. If you included it, it would be a way to get my traffic.

I have always said that revshare really isn't true revshare because you don't get a piece of any upsells, crosschecks and in some cases exit consoles. That said, you are also not paying for hosting, content, design etc, but in my mind that is what the partnership is about. they provide the site, content etc and you provide the traffic and you split the profit.

So to answer the question I would say yes. If your site has any traffic leaks that you can earn money from the affiliate should get a cut of that.

I can't wait to see at least 1 program come in here & say....YES WE DO PAY REVSHARE ON OUR CROSS SALES AS WELL

but i don't think there is 1 fucking program out there doing it

damn crying shame....should be ashamed of themselves

the affiliate brings the traffic to your site and makes a sale for you. but doesn't get a cut off of the xsale when its 50/50? thats the same as having an exit and the affiliate not getting credit for it in my opinion. unfortunately it seems this is par for the course these days..

yeah, in an ideal world.

I would expect more than 50% from a revshare program with xsells.

still waiting to hear from ONE program that cuts revshare webmasters in our cross sales

I think you may be waiting for a while :winkwink:

http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/w...eezes-over.jpg

no doubt

but I'd at least like some of them to come in & vote for the "fuck you, thats my coke & whore $!" option

ya know...at least be honest & stop hiding....i respect that

like gleem, he's cool in my book :thumbsup

Personally I think that we should get money for xsales. Sure, they pay the hosting, get all the content etc, but we also pay for hosting and do work to promote their site(s). So we have to pay for our hosting and work in order to get the traffic in hope that they will buy a membership.

We're the reason that the xsale was made. After all, it came from traffic that we sent traffic that we worked to get so why should the company that owns the site get a bigger share? It is a partnership program, right?

For PPS I can understand us not getting any of the xsale $, but for a partnership it should be 50/50 or whatever the payout is of every sale made on the site(s) including upsales, xsales etc.. Of course, as mentioned, it's highly unlikely that any sponsors pays on xsales.

xsells whenever they are prechecked or non prechecked should be paid for in revshare. It's called revshare.

If the current tracking software doesn't have the possibility to track xsells for affiliates a raise in percentage is the way to go.

In PPS it should not be paid for.

Problem is few webmaster will take a split of the profit, unless it's weighted heavily in their favor. Webmasters want a split of the turnover and support.

I'm thinking about it and will talk to a few sponsors to see what can be done, their sites and what they offer have to be suitable. Then I will look at splitting the profit on the cross sell and upsells. The simplest way to do it is adjust the rev share figure on the turn over. But that will get all the flamers telling me I'm shaving.

Or pay out 50% of what we receive from the cross sell sponsor. Need to see how this can be done.

Or giving all the cross sell to the affiliate and seeing if we win with more traffic.

With the $5 sites, magic join link sites, we will have a few affiliates. The aim will be to pay them on all upsells and cross sells to sites in our program.

So does that answer your question Pr0?

Ah, when $50 PPS for a $5 virtualhost and its very own installation of WordPress just isn't enough.

I remember back in the day, SIC Cash paid $10 per generated xsell on top of the joins. Not sure it they still do.

bringing words like turnover & support in here are for one purpose...."clouding" the truth

the truth is most major programs have 1 or 2 support ho's they pay minimum wage....& turn over (in the form of refunded checks & cb's) are already taken out automatically from the affiliate account

the fact is...even at 70% revshare the owner can afford to pay out on a cross sale....hosting is dirt cheap these days, every amateur asshole with a camera is shooting content....porn has very little cost

why should the small cost be passed onto the affiliate? fuck that, pass it on to the customer....

Greedy? Hmm... it occurs to me that without the affiliate sending the initial signup there would be no cross-sales.

I see no reason why 50% revshare can't mean 50% of ALL revenue earned from one's referred sales. I would even take 40% if it meant getting a piece of the upsells, the lesser % going towards offsetting the program's overhead.

We have not offered cross sales as of yet and this is one of the reasons. We are working on a way to integrate them into our affiliate tracking and when we do and can we will offer 65% on both the join and the cross sell (not prechecked as we do not believe in that)

this is why I started doing my own tours to send traffic to. ;)

very cool bro :thumbsup

i'll be sure to check out your program when done :pimp

100% yes if the cross sale is within the same program.. otherwise it will be hard to credit

I know ftvgirls gives credit because I brought it to their attention a year ago.. since they are cross selling a site within their own program its possible.. the option isnt checked off as default though.. they have to do something extra.. its been a while I forgot what that step was.. but it is possible

Really? I've never heard of such thing.

It would be nice to get some input from FTV Cash over here..

:2 cents:

I always thought programs who make most their money buying xsales had it pretty easy... I mean you don't need tours, galleries, promo content, affiliates, etc... You're basically just piggybacking on top of programs that convert well and already get traffic and sales. Pretty smart really.

I guess if you put it that way...slangin crack is pretty smart too :1orglaugh

What input do you want? Goto https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup.cgi you see the xsale for lia19? If the surfer checks that off you will get credit for it..

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...&highlight=ftv heres the thread.. and yeah almost a year

cecash pays on some xsells.

on their "free email" programs i believe they pay per email + 15-20$ per xsell

I dont get it.

Why?

yo pr0 hit me up on icq please :)

If a revshare program has cross sales on the join form or upsales in the members area I won't promote them unless I'm getting paid on that revenue as well.

Cross sales, upsales, and exit consoles by a revshare program are basically stealing.

You're asking me to have faith in your ability to retain members, and meanwhile you're selling them memberships to other sites which makes retention on your site drop.

I could be sending my traffic to a PPS program and getting all of my money upfront and making them take all of the risk on retention etc. If I choose a revshare program I'm sharing the risk with them in exchange for a possibly higher reward.
I'm not willing to share the risk if I can't also share in the reward. There are about 18 bazillion programs out there I can send my traffic to, why would I send it to a program that doesn't want to be fair with the revshare?

That's why I like PPS. At least it seems like you are just selling the member, instead of trying to share or split the member. Because you know they probably spam them with other sites you don't get credit for too. Not to mention the upsells in their member area. Or rejoins, for what that is worth. You get nada for those things. I sell them the member, give me my money, they get the customer. But yeah, rebills are nice. However, nothing is forever.

Because it's already built into the PPS model.

Well, nothing personal, I don't advertise you program, but with an average value of a member over time, 35$ isn't even half of the what the owner makes...I know there are quite a few programs calculating with about $200 over time, including all xsells, upsells, returning members, etc.