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bushwacker 01-13-2008 12:10 PM

Has Anyone Bought Real Estate With No Money Down?
 
Or any other type of creative financing?

FreeHugeMovies 01-13-2008 12:22 PM

Why on earth would you buy with no money down?

Elli 01-13-2008 12:23 PM

I still can't believe that's legal.

After Shock Media 01-13-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 13646323)
Or any other type of creative financing?

Technically yes and that would be my primary residence which includes two rentals on same property.

Owner was in financial trouble and facing a foreclosure. I paid them a small sum to sign the mortgage into my name and for moving expenses (under 15k) I then gained the house and two rentals for a mortgage of 769.72 per month. Everything needed work but that was ok. Owner did previously have over 30k in equity in the property so technically I pocketed a little over 15k at signing. I focused on the rentals (5-10k total for both) and had each semi remodeled and rented in under 6 months at 500.00 each. Now I had a positive cash flow before taxes of a little over 230.00 a month.

Have since paid off house, remodeled house and rentals again to much higher standard (well house still needs a new kitchen). Rentals now go for 750.00 and 675.00 each.

Recent appraisal put property well above 275k and would be a lot more if rentals were on foundations which I may do in a year or two.

Vendzilla 01-13-2008 12:31 PM

Vet load or VA loan

DBS.US 01-13-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 13646359)
Why on earth would you buy with no money down?

You are insane:2 cents:

bushwacker 01-13-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 13646359)
Why on earth would you buy with no money down?

Why not?

bushwacker 01-13-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13646373)
Technically yes and that would be my primary residence which includes two rentals on same property.

Owner was in financial trouble and facing a foreclosure. I paid them a small sum to sign the mortgage into my name and for moving expenses (under 15k) I then gained the house and two rentals for a mortgage of 769.72 per month. Everything needed work but that was ok. Owner did previously have over 30k in equity in the property so technically I pocketed a little over 15k at signing. I focused on the rentals (5-10k total for both) and had each semi remodeled and rented in under 6 months at 500.00 each. Now I had a positive cash flow before taxes of a little over 230.00 a month.

Have since paid off house, remodeled house and rentals again to much higher standard (well house still needs a new kitchen). Rentals now go for 750.00 and 675.00 each.

Recent appraisal put property well above 275k and would be a lot more if rentals were on foundations which I may do in a year or two.

Nicely done. I have a similar opportunity, owner is relocating to south carolina.

V_RocKs 01-13-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 13646359)
Why on earth would you buy with no money down?

So you can buy a property for $112,000 that is rat infested and moldy. Put $25,000 into it and then sell it for $175,000 2 weeks later.

$38,000 in two weeks?

The power of no money down.

After Shock Media 01-13-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 13646399)
Why not?

I will give a hint, it is not infomercial easy. They can be found and it is possible, I would just not base finding any real properties with it and have money available. specially now during this foreclosure crisis, it may take a bit of cash to get them out and make damn sure you can afford the mortgage they have and hopefully get it onto a fixed from an ARM. Though on flipside today you are often buying properties with a negative worth due to the drop in property values.

slapass 01-13-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 13646323)
Or any other type of creative financing?

plenty of times.

Cyrano 01-13-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 13646361)
I still can't believe that's legal.

Why should lenders be legally restricted from issuing such loans?

bushwacker 01-13-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13646416)
I will give a hint, it is not infomercial easy. They can be found and it is possible, I would just not base finding any real properties with it and have money available. specially now during this foreclosure crisis, it may take a bit of cash to get them out and make damn sure you can afford the mortgage they have and hopefully get it onto a fixed from an ARM. Though on flipside today you are often buying properties with a negative worth due to the drop in property values.

Very good points.

HowlingWulf 01-13-2008 12:53 PM

Yes. Yes I have.

beemk 01-13-2008 12:54 PM

i dont know about other areas, but now a days in michigan no money down is non-existant. no money down is the reason theres so many foreclosures. right now the prices in my area are dirt cheap because 2-4 years ago they were giving no money down loans to everyone and their brother with crappy credit, now theres more foreclosures than you could imagine.

slapass 01-13-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano (Post 13646419)
Why should lenders be legally restricted from issuing such loans?

I have gone the 100% bank loan route but it is not that easy for a first timer. Owner financing to some extent is usually the easier route.

bushwacker 01-13-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13646418)
plenty of times.


Please share.

shermo 01-13-2008 01:01 PM

I've purchased 3 homes with no money down. There are stipulations though. On each purchase, I had to have 12 months worth of mortgage in my bank and I believe it cost me 1/2 a point. I've also gone no doc on my loans as well due to not wanting to have to bring hundreds of stubs, and explaining why they are all from porn companies. This cost me a point as well.

Why did I purchase with nothing down? Because my lender broke it down, and my monthly savings with 0 down vs. 5% down came to $50 a month. $16,250 down would take me 27.08 years to recoup with a $50 savings per month based on a $325,000 home value. I'd rather have a sum of money like that working for me in some other manner instead of saving as measly $50 a month.

If you're putting money down, it's best to go 20% down so that mortgage insurance isn't an issue. At least that would save you a few hundred a month.

Sosa 01-13-2008 01:23 PM

Around here banks won't do 0 down now. They want 20% for investment properties, but will try 10% for some people.

slapass 01-13-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 13646447)
Please share.

I bought a fourplex from HUD. Bank just gave me 100% loan plus fix up cost. I bought a duplex for 21k less then the loan so the owner wrote me a check at closing. I bought a duplex with 2k down. The rents and deposits covered the 2k.
Seond mtge on house to buy other house then refied and paid off second. Bought a house where realtor took his commision in payments. Sort of not that good really. Bought second duplex with 2k down see above. bought a 90 unit where a friend paid the down payment and I paid him back with a refi a year later.

Sums it up :)

bushwacker 01-13-2008 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13646587)
I bought a fourplex from HUD. Bank just gave me 100% loan plus fix up cost. I bought a duplex for 21k less then the loan so the owner wrote me a check at closing. I bought a duplex with 2k down. The rents and deposits covered the 2k.
Seond mtge on house to buy other house then refied and paid off second. Bought a house where realtor took his commision in payments. Sort of not that good really. Bought second duplex with 2k down see above. bought a 90 unit where a friend paid the down payment and I paid him back with a refi a year later.

Sums it up :)

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

~Ray 01-13-2008 01:59 PM

get the seller to carry a second mortgage to bring it up to 100% financing.

a. they get their selling price
b. they set the % rate
c. they get a pre-payment penalty if you refi early
d. it's tax write-off secured by real estate
e. house gets sold fast without the need of a realtor, only title company
f. seller raises price a little and covers closing cost. wham bam.

FreeHugeMovies 01-13-2008 02:31 PM

For a primary residence, if you don't have money to put down, you shouldn't be buying a home.

candyflip 01-13-2008 03:21 PM

I have, but the properties were EXTREMELY distressed. They were cheap, so there wasn't even any financing involved.

I lost a bid on a farm house, 8 acres and 5 barns last week that would have been purchased with no money out of my pocket. Again, a foreclosure that was extremely distressed.

bushwacker 01-13-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 13646738)
For a primary residence, if you don't have money to put down, you shouldn't be buying a home.

that wasn't the point of the thread, but thanks for your input.

qxm 01-13-2008 03:30 PM

no money down is always possible...the current real estate situation presents a favorable market for savvy investors that's fo sho......... I've seen several people getting on IOs and Negams for a month or two then turning around and selling the property for a nice profit.........It'll be interesting to see what kind of loan programs will survive this sub-prime correction though..... I guess No-Doc is out of the question, it'll mostly be stated however those who can prove their income hence go stated will have some nice opportunity once the market starts to come back up.........which I hope it'd be sooner rather than later....

After Shock Media 01-13-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by qxm (Post 13646910)
no money down is always possible...the current real estate situation presents a favorable market for savvy investors that's fo sho......... I've seen several people getting on IOs and Negams for a month or two then turning around and selling the property for a nice profit.........It'll be interesting to see what kind of loan programs will survive this sub-prime correction though..... I guess No-Doc is out of the question, it'll mostly be stated however those who can prove their income hence go stated will have some nice opportunity once the market starts to come back up.........which I hope it'd be sooner rather than later....

Or like as an example if I desired I could use current equity and purchase several new or one family lived in but in foreclosure houses right this moment and if I shop around enough find a few that would be profitable as rental units if I refinanced then to a fixed.

the Shemp 01-13-2008 03:42 PM

always use OPM (other peoples money) when you can...

slapass 01-13-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 13646738)
For a primary residence, if you don't have money to put down, you shouldn't be buying a home.

That is just crazy talk. Seriously, what is the point of saying that? The person stills pays rent and if the two are equal isn't getting a home even if financed all the way out better?

FreeHugeMovies 01-13-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13646978)
That is just crazy talk. Seriously, what is the point of saying that? The person stills pays rent and if the two are equal isn't getting a home even if financed all the way out better?

Do you know what the foreclosure ratio is for someone who doesn't put money down on buying property?

The Dawg 01-13-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13646978)
That is just crazy talk. Seriously, what is the point of saying that? The person stills pays rent and if the two are equal isn't getting a home even if financed all the way out better?

Ill chime in:

The main reason for saying that is if you dont have the money to put down 5% (at least) of the asking price then that means you can not afford it. People think just because you can foot the initial mortgage amount that everything is all good. Well, you need some sort of safety net when dealing with your primary residence.

First timers without knowledge rarely factor in PMI, insurance and property tax (real killer). So yea, things are lovely at first, but if your income takes a hit you could be in trouble.

Sosa 01-13-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13646587)
I bought a fourplex from HUD. Bank just gave me 100% loan plus fix up cost. I bought a duplex for 21k less then the loan so the owner wrote me a check at closing. I bought a duplex with 2k down. The rents and deposits covered the 2k.
Seond mtge on house to buy other house then refied and paid off second. Bought a house where realtor took his commision in payments. Sort of not that good really. Bought second duplex with 2k down see above. bought a 90 unit where a friend paid the down payment and I paid him back with a refi a year later.

Sums it up :)

90 unit? very nice! You still have that property? Sounds like you are doing pretty good in your real estate investments. Atleast getting in at a good cost.

slapass 01-13-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dawg (Post 13647075)
Ill chime in:

The main reason for saying that is if you dont have the money to put down 5% (at least) of the asking price then that means you can not afford it. People think just because you can foot the initial mortgage amount that everything is all good. Well, you need some sort of safety net when dealing with your primary residence.

First timers without knowledge rarely factor in PMI, insurance and property tax (real killer). So yea, things are lovely at first, but if your income takes a hit you could be in trouble.

Is this not true for someone who just put all of their money down for a down payment? The ability to save 5% of the price of the house shows some inherent qualities but not much. People tend to fight tooth and nail to keep the homestead and that is why historically we have a low foreclosure rates on owner occupied homes.

And Freeuhugemovies what is the foreclosure rate over lets say the last ten years or so on people with zero down and 5% down? I do know that VA loans were zero down and had very little foreclosure but maybe you have other stats?

slapass 01-13-2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 13647208)
90 unit? very nice! You still have that property? Sounds like you are doing pretty good in your real estate investments. Atleast getting in at a good cost.

Sold it for 2.5 times what I paid for after just three years. It was seriously better then sex. I do commercial now and it is one tenth the work with steady boring returns.

But I am now buying residential again and have picked up 7 houses in the last few months. Might be early but hard to tell. In one year I might look foolish but hopefully will be smart looking in 5.

:winkwink:

bushwacker 01-13-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 13647286)
Sold it for 2.5 times what I paid for after just three years. It was seriously better then sex. I do commercial now and it is one tenth the work with steady boring returns.

But I am now buying residential again and have picked up 7 houses in the last few months. Might be early but hard to tell. In one year I might look foolish but hopefully will be smart looking in 5.

:winkwink:

Do you only buy in areas near you?

Sosa 01-13-2008 05:21 PM

awesome man! We are still trying to pick up our first here in our local market. Looked at some but haven't found a decent enough one for our small college town of 5-6k people.

kane 01-13-2008 06:14 PM

In a way I did this this a few years back. Three friends of mine and I bought a house to flip. We bought the house from a bank. It was a foreclosure and they let us have with no money down and no payments for 90 days. We did have to deposit 6 months worth of payments into a savings account and couldn't touch them for 6 months as part of the deal - so that could be considered a down payment but it equaled out to about a 1% downpayment. We got the mortgage then put 30K of our own money into the house to fix it up. We did most of the work ourselves and got it done in around 2 months then had the house sold 2 months after that so all we ever had to make was one house payment.

This was before the massive interest rate lowering though and now where I live it is very hard to find these types of deals because big developers have started moving in and buying up these types of things, but I would guess there are still good deals like this out there if you are willing to look.

slapass 01-13-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 13647305)
Do you only buy in areas near you?

Well this is a case where age works in my favor. I bought houses in this area 20 years ago so I knew the market in a very very long term prospective so when the prices were the same as what I paid 20 years ago it was a no brainer. So yes same area. I did get one FL condo too. The condo was 50% off what others had sold for in the last year so hopefully that is safe too.

I am doing more market timing then picking and choosing the perfect deal so I think I am problably going to reap slightly less well then a more hands on approach.

GTS Mark 01-13-2008 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp (Post 13646955)
always use OPM (other peoples money) when you can...

Yep excellent tip there shemp. :thumbsup

beemk 01-13-2008 07:28 PM

what are you doing with the properties slapass, renting them out?


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