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Myst 12-18-2007 12:17 PM

Why is Ron Paul not higher in the polls?
 
I dont understand it.. someone fill an ignorant Canadian in..
The guy is the best politician I have seen in a long long time, and makes me want to move to America if he comes in power - I think a lot of people feel the same way. He had 100,000+ donors raising $6 million in one day - so why is he in single digits in the polls????

L-Pink 12-18-2007 12:19 PM

The media isn't selling him.

nico-t 12-18-2007 12:22 PM

and i bet alot of votes go to this guy https://youtube.com/watch?v=viIuqNgc-bY

Martin 12-18-2007 12:22 PM

Give it time... He has a message I think resonates with pretty much with all freedom loving people..

Myst 12-18-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin (Post 13532094)
Give it time... He has a message I think resonates with pretty much with all freedom loving people..

I just think its going to be too little too late.. elections are coming up in a very short time right?

wil_I_Am 12-18-2007 12:36 PM

I'm pretty sure that I know why...

yesterday I got an automated "poll" call that gave me the following question:

"If you were to vote today, who would you vote for?"
PRESS 1 for Rudy Giuliani
PRESS 2 for Mike Huckabee
PRESS 3 for Mitt Romney
PRESS 4 for John McCain
PRESS 5 for ALL OTHERS


... I couldn't believe it. So I went and did a search on these phone polls, check out this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JPpCvF7N3Vg

fyi.. that wasn't the same organization that i was called by...

ytcracker 12-18-2007 12:42 PM

people are stupid thats why

Pleasurepays 12-18-2007 12:43 PM

People fear change and the uncertainties associated with change. People don't want to be continually told about how everything is going to be dismantled and torn apart because its not working well... they want to be told that everything is going to be happy, sunny and wonderful and no child will ever cry again under their Presidency.

Politicians have to lie to get elected. They have to say they will do and achieve a whole lot of impossible tasks (most of which they have no authority at all to achieve without the full cooperation of the House and Senate) because its what people want to hear.

... and what happens... the best liar gets elected and very little changes for better or worse. the same arguments in government resume. all arguments follow the same party lines. the same idiots on either side of the political fence are still complaining about the same shit and about the other party and somewhere... in a distant galaxy, a fairly intelligent race of reasonable beings are silently watching and weeping.

ytcracker 12-18-2007 12:45 PM

im going to take to the streets with weapons and liquor if ron paul does not win the nomination

Barefootsies 12-18-2007 12:46 PM

Because Americans Can't...
 
Quote:

Why is Ron Paul not higher in the polls?

d-null 12-18-2007 12:56 PM

it seems to me that the big media could be a lot more impartial and fair in these stages of the election campaigning

the coverage is very slanted to the point of directing the public into considering only two choices and instantly marginalizing any other choices

sinclair 12-18-2007 12:57 PM

Because he is the whack job of the GOP. Cary on.

Fat Panda 12-18-2007 12:57 PM

i love libertarians....did i spell that right?

TheDoc 12-18-2007 01:02 PM

Because 3 or 4 states decide who the rest of the country will vote for. These are called the Primaries. If Ron Paul doesn't win those states, it's over with for him. So the other 90% of America can want Ron Paul but they don't really have a choice for who they get to vote for.

Sad but true.

Young 12-18-2007 01:46 PM

100,000 people in a country of 300,000,000 is supposed to register on any type of scale?

Wake me up when you Paultards stop dreaming. The guy is a wack job. Whoever wants to live in The United Toilets of America go ahead and vote for that racist nut.

aico 12-18-2007 01:47 PM

His party doesn't own the media.

Dollarmansteve 12-18-2007 02:05 PM

because centrist leaders of middle-left or middle-right parties always win since they appeal to the vast majority of voters.

Snake Doctor 12-18-2007 02:13 PM

Contrary to what most of his supporters believe (they're like a religious cult) most people don't like most of his views.
The people who do like his views LOVE his views, and are out raising money and annoying the fuck out of everyone they know telling them about Ron Paul.

The sad truth for them is that most people disagree with him on most things.
Also, he's running in the republican primary. He's opposed to a war the the vast majority of republicans support. He's suggesting a foreign policy that's anathema to the republican base.

kane 12-18-2007 02:28 PM

There are a few reasons.

1. He really isn't a republican and many republicans see him as someone who is just trying to use their party as a way to get a nomination.

2. He has some good ideas, but he is also very radical. If you are very radical you are often seen as a "whackjob" candidate and not taken seriously.

3. He seems to be running for president before he even wins the primary. The reality is that right now he doesn't have to convince everyone he is the best person for the job, he has to convince the republicans that he is the best person for the job and so far that isn't working out. The republican party is basically run by the conservative christian right and they have massive influence during the primaries. You can see this influence in the rise of huckabee and the fact that thompson is even running. Ron Paul is all about freedom of choice and many of the hard right republicans are not. They don't want to hear a message other than theirs. They see a guy like Paul giving equal voice to people that don't believe like them and they don't want that.

4. He is opposed to the war in Iraq. The irony here is that I recently read he is the top polling candidate among military personal, but many republicans believe in the war in Iraq and they feel that if we pull out we are admitting defeat and the terrorist win. Paul is for leaving and they don't want that.


Add in the fact that he has raised a nice chunk of money, but I have never even seen or heard a commercial for him and it makes me wonder how well he is running his campaign. Also, while he has raised some nice money, it is nothing compared to what the top candidates have raised. The big boys are spending a ton of cash and are doing everything in their power to get their names out there. It is going to be hard for him to compete with that.

TheDoc 12-18-2007 02:44 PM

Kane pretty much nailed it...

And I'm not sure how strong the views are U.S. wide, but I do know a few ladies who wouldn't vote for him because of his views on roe vs wade. I don't think too many pro choice Women will support him.

The Internet WILL NOT win you an election. He must get out and work/walk/talk/bs Iowa and New Hampshire 10,000 times harder than the others. He has to get past stage one to even have a chance at president.

Not that I want it, the republican party doesn't want it (backfire), but it looks like Huckabee is going to be the man to beat. Christians I guess are the majority, making this a real problem.

buzzy 12-18-2007 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 13532833)
There are a few reasons.

1. He really isn't a republican and many republicans see him as someone who is just trying to use their party as a way to get a nomination.

2. He has some good ideas, but he is also very radical. If you are very radical you are often seen as a "whackjob" candidate and not taken seriously.

3. He seems to be running for president before he even wins the primary. The reality is that right now he doesn't have to convince everyone he is the best person for the job, he has to convince the republicans that he is the best person for the job and so far that isn't working out. The republican party is basically run by the conservative christian right and they have massive influence during the primaries. You can see this influence in the rise of huckabee and the fact that thompson is even running. Ron Paul is all about freedom of choice and many of the hard right republicans are not. They don't want to hear a message other than theirs. They see a guy like Paul giving equal voice to people that don't believe like them and they don't want that.

4. He is opposed to the war in Iraq. The irony here is that I recently read he is the top polling candidate among military personal, but many republicans believe in the war in Iraq and they feel that if we pull out we are admitting defeat and the terrorist win. Paul is for leaving and they don't want that.


Add in the fact that he has raised a nice chunk of money, but I have never even seen or heard a commercial for him and it makes me wonder how well he is running his campaign. Also, while he has raised some nice money, it is nothing compared to what the top candidates have raised. The big boys are spending a ton of cash and are doing everything in their power to get their names out there. It is going to be hard for him to compete with that.

Radical? lol. I see invading 2 countries and threatening to bomb a 3rd as "Radical".

erehwon 12-18-2007 02:52 PM

I chalk it up to the mainstream media already deciding on who the President is going to be. I tend to watch ABC News, and CNN but if you look who is reporting the news at the network Disney owns, you will find they are Democrat heavy on their slant. Right off the top of my head, they have former Clinton press secretary George Stephanopoulos who is ABC's Chief Washington Correspondent, and Cokie Roberts, who's father was Hale Boggs the Democratic House Majority Leader in 1972.

Ron Paul's one day fund-raising record that beat John Kerry's one day record got barely a blip on ABC last night, :(

SifuE 12-18-2007 02:55 PM

I Hope He Wins!

kane 12-18-2007 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 13532936)
Radical? lol. I see invading 2 countries and threatening to bomb a 3rd as "Radical".

well, sadly in our country saying some of the things Paul says is considered more radical than invading other countries.

kane 12-18-2007 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 13532906)
Kane pretty much nailed it...

And I'm not sure how strong the views are U.S. wide, but I do know a few ladies who wouldn't vote for him because of his views on roe vs wade. I don't think too many pro choice Women will support him.

The Internet WILL NOT win you an election. He must get out and work/walk/talk/bs Iowa and New Hampshire 10,000 times harder than the others. He has to get past stage one to even have a chance at president.

Not that I want it, the republican party doesn't want it (backfire), but it looks like Huckabee is going to be the man to beat. Christians I guess are the majority, making this a real problem.

Right now the republicans are trying to "out conservative" each other. There isn't a candidate the hard right really loves and they have come out and said they may choose not to support any of them. With their support a candidate can win the primaries and has some strength going into the general election, without the primaries are anyone's game and the general election will very hard to win.

Huckabee looks good right now, but lets wait and see. Eventually he is going to have to leave the bible belt states and go into larger states where he is still running 3-4 behind rudy and mit.

Snake Doctor 12-18-2007 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 13532983)
Right now the republicans are trying to "out conservative" each other. There isn't a candidate the hard right really loves and they have come out and said they may choose not to support any of them. With their support a candidate can win the primaries and has some strength going into the general election, without the primaries are anyone's game and the general election will very hard to win.

Huckabee looks good right now, but lets wait and see. Eventually he is going to have to leave the bible belt states and go into larger states where he is still running 3-4 behind rudy and mit.

If the republicans are smart and want to win they'll nominate John McCain.

I don't see any of the other guys doing very well in the general.

ADL Colin 12-18-2007 03:08 PM

It is not at ALL surprising that he is 6th in all major polls with about 5% of the vote. Even though a Republican he's pretty much a libertarian. Most Americans are NOT libertarian in their outlook. Libertarians, outside of college campuses, and GFY are a considerable minority.

theking 12-18-2007 03:10 PM

Because he does not have a snow balls chance in hell of being nominated let alone being elected.

Young 12-18-2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13533022)
Most Americans are NOT libertarian in their outlook. Libertarians, outside of college campuses, and GFY are a considerable minority.


read : reality

Myst 12-18-2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 13532906)
Kane pretty much nailed it...

And I'm not sure how strong the views are U.S. wide, but I do know a few ladies who wouldn't vote for him because of his views on roe vs wade. I don't think too many pro choice Women will support him.

The Internet WILL NOT win you an election. He must get out and work/walk/talk/bs Iowa and New Hampshire 10,000 times harder than the others. He has to get past stage one to even have a chance at president.

Not that I want it, the republican party doesn't want it (backfire), but it looks like Huckabee is going to be the man to beat. Christians I guess are the majority, making this a real problem.

he wants the states to decide on abortion laws

drjones 12-18-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 13532162)
People fear change and the uncertainties associated with change. People don't want to be continually told about how everything is going to be dismantled and torn apart because its not working well... they want to be told that everything is going to be happy, sunny and wonderful and no child will ever cry again under their Presidency.

Politicians have to lie to get elected. They have to say they will do and achieve a whole lot of impossible tasks (most of which they have no authority at all to achieve without the full cooperation of the House and Senate) because its what people want to hear.

... and what happens... the best liar gets elected and very little changes for better or worse. the same arguments in government resume. all arguments follow the same party lines. the same idiots on either side of the political fence are still complaining about the same shit and about the other party and somewhere... in a distant galaxy, a fairly intelligent race of reasonable beings are silently watching and weeping.

Well said

drjones 12-18-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 13532833)
There are a few reasons.

1. He really isn't a republican and many republicans see him as someone who is just trying to use their party as a way to get a nomination.

2. He has some good ideas, but he is also very radical. If you are very radical you are often seen as a "whackjob" candidate and not taken seriously.

3. He seems to be running for president before he even wins the primary. The reality is that right now he doesn't have to convince everyone he is the best person for the job, he has to convince the republicans that he is the best person for the job and so far that isn't working out. The republican party is basically run by the conservative christian right and they have massive influence during the primaries. You can see this influence in the rise of huckabee and the fact that thompson is even running. Ron Paul is all about freedom of choice and many of the hard right republicans are not. They don't want to hear a message other than theirs. They see a guy like Paul giving equal voice to people that don't believe like them and they don't want that.

4. He is opposed to the war in Iraq. The irony here is that I recently read he is the top polling candidate among military personal, but many republicans believe in the war in Iraq and they feel that if we pull out we are admitting defeat and the terrorist win. Paul is for leaving and they don't want that.


Add in the fact that he has raised a nice chunk of money, but I have never even seen or heard a commercial for him and it makes me wonder how well he is running his campaign. Also, while he has raised some nice money, it is nothing compared to what the top candidates have raised. The big boys are spending a ton of cash and are doing everything in their power to get their names out there. It is going to be hard for him to compete with that.

One thing that has happened as a result of the war and the bush administration is that people have left the republican party in droves. The ones that are left are the religious wingnut, "Praise jesus and pass the ammunition" types. So while support for a pro-war candidate is strong for the "republican base", it is that way because so many, more centrist republicans have been driven from the party.

notoldschool 12-18-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 13533003)
If the republicans are smart and want to win they'll nominate John McCain.

I don't see any of the other guys doing very well in the general.

Ron Paul has a far better chance then mr flip flop senality farse puppet pud.

teg0 12-18-2007 03:44 PM

Its that R next to his name. But i guess its a better move to be a more liberal republican than it is to be a more conservative democrat. Democrats are more open towards change.

But as far as polls go, that R is hurting him.

ADL Colin 12-18-2007 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13533140)
Ron Paul has a far better chance then mr flip flop senality farse puppet pud.

Based on what? McCain is probably polling best against Clinton right now. Beats her in some polls. Paul is so far back no one is even asking the question. McCain is getting about 5 times as many voters as Paul in the current primary polls.

ADL Colin 12-18-2007 04:03 PM

Republicans are a smart group. They're gonna vote for someone who actually has a chance to win. You know, a guy that is actually willing to rig an election.

Young 12-18-2007 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13533262)
Based on what? McCain is probably polling best against Clinton right now. Beats her in some polls. Paul is so far back no one is even asking the question. McCain is getting about 5 times as many voters as Paul in the current primary polls.

If you were online 23 hours a day spamming your propaganda bullshit all over the internet, gaming polls, gaming digg, and had 10's of thousands of fellow spammers overwhelming the web with crap ... wouldn't you falsely believe that your candidate had a chance?

tblake 12-18-2007 04:06 PM

Well 17 days left until Iowa and then we will know for sure if there is any magical underground Ron Paul vote movement full of independents and young new voters!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

ADL Colin 12-18-2007 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young (Post 13533321)
If you were online 23 hours a day spamming your propaganda bullshit all over the internet, gaming polls, gaming digg, and had 10's of thousands of fellow spammers overwhelming the web with crap ... wouldn't you falsely believe that your candidate had a chance?



See sig!!!

notoldschool 12-18-2007 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 13533312)
Republicans are a smart group. They're gonna vote for someone who actually has a chance to win. You know, a guy that is actually willing to rig an election.

Well that would be Mcain then. hes a phony.


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