I have been watching UFC for a few years now and never thought fights were fixed until the fight between Andrei Arlovski vs Tim Sylvia in UFC 59. I have watched that clip over and over and it didn't seem like a real knockout. Andre had an almost delayed reaction. When he was speaking to Joe at the end of the fight, all he cared about was the next re-match. I know most of them are real, but does anyone think some of the fights are rigged?
Do you think UFC fights are ever fixed?
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Do you think UFC fights are ever fixed?
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I don't really think they are totally fixed. I think they definetly chose fights based upon the outcome they want. They have guys they like and that are more marketable, so they through them in there with fish to boost their rank to get them into good positions. They did it with Tito and Liddell.
So in that aspect I would say yes, but no, I don't think guys are getting paid to take a dive.
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True.but if you watch that one fight and the hit that knocked him down, he didn't even seem fazed when he got up. Either that, or he didn't want to ruin his pretty face. In any event, I'm still hooked and am impressed with the up and coming fighters.Last edited by PaygeaGrl; 11-08-2007, 03:01 PM.Patricia Brandon
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Not anywhere near the level of boxing or any other professional sport in the usa. too many upsets by real knock out or suprise moves to be fixed all the time.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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I think there's some shady events surrounding some of the "camps".
If you're interested, check out the opening line on betting in Hughes / BJ Penn and then look how the line ultimately ended before the fight.
Do the same thing with Hughes / GSP.
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I am checking it out now. They are pumping out the matches so quick now. It's a money machine and Mr. White is lovin it! I just hope they don't get too WWF style.
There have been some bad calls for sure and i think they do it just so they can have a rematch...MO MONEY!!Patricia Brandon
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watch all of tito's last fights they were all fixed.... if you can't spot that on the first go round then you don't know real fights.... you will not need any rewind..Comment
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100%. I didn't even agree with the decision between Forrest and Tito. I didn't think he won hands down.Patricia Brandon
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You can't look at a punch from a certain angle and conclude that a fight is fixed. That's just silly. I seriously doubt that any of the fights are fixed. There may be some bad decisions and controversial outcomes, but saying a fight is fixed is a big accusation and usually baseless, especially in the case of a new-ish promotion like the UFC.Comment
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Good point. Regardless, we will never know the truth unless we are the ones in the ring or something come out. One of my favorite fights was between Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva...That wasn't fixed. Rich had his face re-arranged. What is your favorite fight of all time?Patricia Brandon
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I thought the same thing about that match.. I wish I knew what he said to him .
When I saw the look in Royce Gracies face as he walked out to fight Hughes... I realized then that some of the fights are fixed.
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Yeah..that's when I liked Andre. I didn't think he could be beat. In his past few fights, he has been very cautious. He is pretty boring to watch these days.Patricia Brandon
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Now why didn't I think of the nick MorningWood Patricia...I guess it wouldn't make much sense but I like it:-)Patricia Brandon
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i wish people would quit reminding me of this decision, total fucking bullshit. i don't know if it was fixed as much as it was just given to the hometown boy. it happens sometimes. at least dana is going to give matt a rematch...Comment
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There's a chance that every once in a blue moon a fight is fixed by an outsider, but Zuffa/UFC never fixes the outcome of fights. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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For the most part they don't have to fix fights, they just set it up so that the guy they want to win fights guys they can beat on average. Occassionally surprises happen, but for the most part they can set it up to build up almost anyone they want with legitimate fights.Comment
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maybe thats why ... fedor does not fight... i think that dude does not want to take a fall for dana
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I don't think it's fixed =) I can't say there has never ever been a fixed fight.. where there is money there is corruption =-)Comment
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I agreed 100%
I have always wondered about the gracie vs hughes fight.
I was sure matt would win but after seeing gracie fight wrestlers much bigged than hughes and was able to hold on for 90 minutes with one of them it seemed strange he gave up his back so easilyhttp://www.gothamscreenprinting.com
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hmmm...wonder how you know that:-))Patricia Brandon
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Two of my buddies fight in the UFC circuit, and I know for a fact it is not fixed, there are however shady judges, which is good because the fighters go in thinking knock out to win.Comment
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hmm for my perception if WWF (wrestling entertainment...) is a fight that is fix and has script what more the UFC for me all games on television is a fake (it's my own believe and just sharing hehehe my opinion)
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Fucking Noob.For the most part they don't have to fix fights, they just set it up so that the guy they want to win fights guys they can beat on average. Occassionally surprises happen, but for the most part they can set it up to build up almost anyone they want with legitimate fights.
Just like Houston Alexander vs Keith Jardine
Just like Forest Griffin vs Mauricio Shougn Hua
Just like Mirko Filipovic vs Gabriel Gonzanga <<< That's Cro Cop's real name
The list goes on and on.
MMA is as close to real fighting in the street as you can get. Real Fighting is chaotic, and EVERYONE has a Puncher's Chance.
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Deb, the sport has evolved since Royce did that over 13 years ago.I agreed 100%
I have always wondered about the gracie vs hughes fight.
I was sure matt would win but after seeing gracie fight wrestlers much bigged than hughes and was able to hold on for 90 minutes with one of them it seemed strange he gave up his back so easily
Matt Hughes is a dominant wrestler, and a Black Belt level in BJJ, which is also known as Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
Back in the early UFC's, no one know how to fight on the ground as well as the Gracies. Thats has changed for some time now.
If it makes you feel better, Matt Hughes used Gracie Jiu Jitsu strategy to beat Royce on the ground.
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that was bloody fight.Patricia Brandon
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That sounds more like it...Patricia Brandon
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A shining example of a MMA fight where one fighter was told he was not allowed to punch or kick, just grappling is this one. Travis Fulton was told not to strike at all.
Possibly the greatest example why TKD sucks fucking ass.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i8tVTuNZ3ZwLast edited by Anthony; 11-09-2007, 08:08 AM.
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See, I think that's a more realistic explanation. Perhaps the fights aren't fixed at times. Yet they might tell fighter at times what they can or cannot do. I mean, I have yelled at the TV : Why aren't you bringing him to the ground!!!Patricia Brandon
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jesus fuck that was brutal, i agree though, tkd has little or no place in mma. even serkan yilmaz, who is devastating as far as tkd goes, still usually winds up taking an asskicking in the end...A shining example of a MMA fight where one fighter was told he was not allowed to punch or kick, just grappling is this one. Travis Fulton was told not to strike at all.
Possibly the greatest example why TKD sucks fucking ass.
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Awesome Patricia! Most people are yelling, "Stand it up!"
Here's a little montage about MMA. Pretty good as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQeq9SLyFOI
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Just watched it. That was great! Well, if they are both laying on top of eachother, then I'm the first one to be screaming "stand them up"! But, if I know a guy can finish a guy on the ground and he is standing the whole fight-that gets my blood boiling a bit.Patricia Brandon
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Personally, ever since the Leonard/Hagler fight I think all fights are fixed (boxing, WWF, UFC, name it) and boxing is the least dangerous of them all. Now, when a guy bites a guys ear off in a ring, that's not a fixed fight. I'm not saying it's a good or/nor fair fight, but I think we can assume that one wasn't fixed
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you put wwf in the same category with boxing and ufc?Personally, ever since the Leonard/Hagler fight I think all fights are fixed (boxing, WWF, UFC, name it) and boxing is the least dangerous of them all. Now, when a guy bites a guys ear off in a ring, that's not a fixed fight. I'm not saying it's a good or/nor fair fight, but I think we can assume that one wasn't fixed
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I think that would be a pretty accurate assumption
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