Is it to take advantage of the marketing associated with it or is it a tool to get some other attention? Does it mean they've grown to that point where they can do it or have they grown to a point where they NEED to do it. Marketingchoice or desperation move? Any comments?
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desperation move usually, they rely on their fans from the innocent days to go gaga over their new hardcore ways. What actually happens is that these old boys are put off becuase it was the innocence that attracted them in the first place.Bordello Web - Tips, Tricks and Trades!Comment
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2 completely different categories of girls for me btw - i would have no problem with a gf that does solo or lesbian - but i'd never touch a porn girl. might be hypocritical in my position - but i don't careComment
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usually it's due to the lack of sales a site is getting after it's been up for an extended period of time as a solo site. rebranding the site with the "hardcore" label strikes up the interest in the solo model again. bringing in more sales, new members, and so on...Got Cam Models?
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Complete and total BS up in this thread... Whatever happened to people just doing shit cause they can and because they want to? It does not specifically mention her name in here, but on a day Mellisa decides to ad hardcore to her site this dumb ass thread comes out. Like girls are so dumb and stupid the only reason they have sex on film is because of broke bfs, drugs or whatever other bullshit you jealous haters are listing.
Porn sites are where girls having sex on film belong, when I decided to have a site I made a decision to DELIVER, to give surfers what they really want PORN! blowjobs, creampies, facials ya know PORN! How long can you entertain a member when all you do is flash your tits in every update? honestly thats cool and everything if thats what your members want, but honestly guys wanna see a girl getting fucked for real!
Congratzzzz Mellisa good move! This will certianly boost your bottom dollar! 100% FOR SURE
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Well i'm glad a real pornstar female popped in here and cleared that shit up. Funny how every webmaster guy has a take on it, but it's not even close.i like wafflesComment
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I fapped to MM's cock filled slot
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Wow, this thread seems to have touched a nerve.
There's nothing at all wrong with a model deciding to do hardcore, either from the getgo or just building up to it from a softcore beginning.
I was trying to find out how affiliates about it...you know...the guys who send traffic? Do they feel it's just a marketing ploy or is it deeper? Is the model finally just ready to do it and doing it with a "fuck you, I'm going to do this because I want to" attitude.
Don't get me wrong, when a girl known for only doing softcore (and not Melissa Midwest specifically) starts doing hardcore like we've seen with Jordan Capri and Peaches, I just wonder from a marketer's standpoint why it's being done.
I know that I can make a lot of money as an affiliate by sending traffic to the site of a previously softcore model who starts doing hardcore. It's a build up process kind of like a set of lapdances at a strip club...it starts out as more of an air dance and just starts building up until you're buying drinks in the VIP room. Nothing wrong with buildup at all. It's great for sales.
Does that mean, however, that I'm disrespecting a model because I question their motivations for going hardcore after being a softcore model for so many years? Not at all.
I could really care less why they're doing it because to me it's about marketing and the extra sales in can generate. Nothing more, nothing less.Comment
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Nothing wrong with hardcore, though many of those who sale it seem to have different standards and bashing on talent.
On the other hand I think the audience for a hardcore site is different from the audience joining a standard solo girl site.
The latter may prefer if the girl won´t go hardcore, cause they dream of a relationship with that girl. This dream becomes difficult to keep if the girl fucks another guy.Comment
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Sykk,
I know you meant solo boy in reality. And no, I will never do hardcore. Sorry!Comment
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I agree with most of your post, BUT not all guys enjoy hardcore porn. If they did, mags like Playboy and non-nude sites wouldn't turn a profit. When a guy joins a site looking for a softcore girl and he sees her getting railed, that member may be turned off and turn elsewhere.
As far as circumstances "causing" a girl to do hardcore.. In most cases that's not the issue. Some women just feel like shooting hardcore and anticipate a higher profit margin.Comment
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Maybe they are just strait up nymphomaniacs and they do it because they love it!ICQ:268731675Comment
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I have a feeling in many cases it is models who have "topped out" on the market and are looking to take it further.
The reality is that the whole Jordan Capri honeymoon thing was a huge moneymaker for everyone involved. Steve Lightspeed once again proved he knows how to milk something for every drop (thinking about this, I am thinking that "milk" isn't a good word to use around here anymore).
Short term, I suspect it will get some of the girls more members. It will entirely depend on the programs actually supporting the move with a revised tour, a swath of galleries, sponsors content, banners, and other ad materials to back it up. Just going to sucking cock isn't going to make a difference is nobody knows about it.Comment
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This subject always reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Jerry explains that the career of a Hollywood Actress starts with an audtion followed by years of rejection before she is finally spit out the bottom of the porn industry.
There are so many reason why a girl ends up doing hardcore. Desperation, drugs, bad advice, bad influences, lack of self esteem to name a few. It's a shame when someone has to do something they normally wouldn't when they have no other choice.
On the other hand some girls do have a choice. They have thought it through and have made a conscious decision based on all the possible out comes and it's OK for them. I see nothing wrong with that.
I don't know Melissa but I'd be willing to bet she knows EXACTLY what she's doing and for her it's mostly or all a business move. Nobody knows what her fan base wants better than her. I think it's a great business model to continually push the limits to create new interest. The key is to set the pace and have a plan B when you've peaked.Comment
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Wow I just noticed 300 posts! Do I make a thread about it? LOL JK!Comment
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because the only reason they were doing softcore to begin with was the photog or webmaster didn't have the balls to tell the whore to fuck on camera....
and like sherm said... I film the hardest stuff out... but I like panty sites and join panty sites... never join hardcore sites.....Comment
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I'm turned off when a solo girl goes hardcore... same thing when some girls show their boobs, mystery goes along way and bring sales
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Follow through the times. A couple years ago, you were lucky to get a shot of Raven Riley entirely nude and showing a little lip below. Now, you get Webmaster fanservice with her spread wide. Now, it's Melissa Midwest. They're just trying to cash in on the hardcore crowd and long-term fans before their rebills are worth less than the expense of the program hosting them.Comment
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as u see some people like some do not :PI'm not back.Comment
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Great topic for a thread. I don't think it is a 'one size fits all' answer.Comment
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For me when a solo model ups what she does it typically gives a slight boost in my sales but kills the retention. I have seen it time and time again. She teases and the members stick around like flies to shit, then she goes semi nude (topless) and I get some more members yet see a drop in retention. Then she moves to full nude, again a rise in new sales and a drop in retention. This continues through masturbation (which BTW is hardcore), eventually girl/girl then almost always boy/girl.
Now the new sales I see are not above and beyond my average. I just get a slight boost yet when I look at the long term average I see I actually lost some ground.
The retention factor also goes out the window. When they were at a solid tease level and remained there the retention was well beyond five and a half months on average. By the time boy/girl has come about my average retention is one and three eights months, making it only attractive on a PPS scale.
That is my two cents. I will not go into the whys nor how I think the customer base reacts. Hell I probably gave up to much of my own numbers as it is.Last edited by After Shock Media; 09-24-2007, 02:43 PM.Comment
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No worries
but keep in mind that attitude does exist in this business, wrong or right, it just does...whether it's surfmasters, affiliates, program owners, whatever...
There are also fans who are going to see that the same way. Some will see it as "finally she did it!" and others will go "I can't believe she did it, I'm outta here". It's like when a popular Hollywood actress who has never done nudity in a movie before finally does that first nude scene.Comment
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I'm still waiting for Karla Spice to go hardcore....Comment
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I'm pretty sure a solo girl without hardcore can't do much money..UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress!
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I think it's great publicity. I would love to see a formula like this...
NN for a while, then softcore posing, then a bj scene, then back to softcore, then later another bj scene, then softcore for a while, then 1-2 hardcore sex action, then back to softcore. If the site was popular in the first place it's because of the softcore action... and by giving a bj or hardcore once in a while will keep people coming back and they won't expect hardcore but they'll be excited and wish for it to happen again. I think that would do well....Comment
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You do not seem to get it. They go for the tease and imagination. You spoil the imagination you spoil it period!.
You can not just go back and forth. If I site was popular because of the softcore action and you add hardcore, you loose a lot of those long standing softcore members.
Most of my money in solo girl sites are to those that do as little as possible.Originally posted by Basic_man
I make more in the following order:
1. Non Nude with occassional see through clothing.
2. Non Nude with minor slips.
3. Topless.
4. Nude
5. Nude with masturbation tied with Nude with Girl Girl.
6. Hardcore with a dick. (bj or fucking)
7. Very Hardcore (anal, creampies, etc)Comment
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I'm still waiting for a philflash all girl orgy uncut blowout....Comment
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Probably because you can only do so much solo stuff before it gets repetitive. Who knows. I always thought solo sites should start out non nude, then go nude, then go hardcore but i guess they are 3 different niches.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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I don't know if this fits, but for me I started with webcam shows, I always wanted to do hardcore but it never the right time or company around to make that happened, so for me having myself build up the name minnie with solo then adding hardcore was just seemless.
but for the other girls it could be a number of reasons and I think it's more of the signups why the add in the hardcore.Comment
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You gotta give them something new... unless their pussies or titties can shapeshift or something.Comment
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I would bet 90 percent of the times, sales have gone flat so they go hardcore. Think about it, if a girl is making killing without fucking guys on camera why go hard?Comment
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Whoa! My hardcore site has NOT been released. Yet. I think you meant Peachez
These seem to more on the lines of Sunny's "hardcore" - it's only with one person, it's their boyfriend/husband and they know after years of teasing they're going to make big bucks for something they'd be doing at home for free anyway
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Peaches are you going to have an affiliate program? lolWhoa! My hardcore site has NOT been released. Yet. I think you meant Peachez
These seem to more on the lines of Sunny's "hardcore" - it's only with one person, it's their boyfriend/husband and they know after years of teasing they're going to make big bucks for something they'd be doing at home for free anywayComment
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We all do this for the money, the idea of models doing hardcore for anything other than money is scary. "I want you to share in my sex life, see all the crazy things I get up to with lots of different guys" Hello!!!!
It's hype, we work for money. Models are motivated by money.Comment
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I think they do it for the money. They read about Raven Riley's success and figure they want a piece of the action.Comment
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a big portion of the solo girl niche fans definitely do not want their favorite modlels to do hardcore - it blows the fantasy for them. I think you would lose as many old fans as you would gain new fans. I do think you would get a nice boost when hardcore was introduced but it would be short lived.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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