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GatorB 09-19-2007 07:13 PM

GOP just lost the 2008 election
 
Even if Denis Kucinich is the nominee

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans blocked a plan on Wednesday to give U.S. troops in Iraq more home leave......


It had been offered by Sen. Jim Webb, a decorated Vietnam veteran and former Navy secretary. The Democrat said U.S. troops are being "burned out" by repeated redeployments to Iraq, with tours of up to 15 months and less than a year off in between."

tony286 09-19-2007 07:14 PM

well its easy to be tough when you arent in the fight. I think it should be like the old days, a king wanted to go to war he was in the front of the line.

angelsofporn 09-19-2007 07:16 PM

Well, if somehow Ron Paul gets the nomination i honestly think he is the only none that can beat hitlery or obama.

tony286 09-19-2007 07:23 PM

the one I wish is Micheal Bloomberg,he would use his own money and wouldnt owe special interest once he became president.

After Shock Media 09-19-2007 07:33 PM

They need to and want to loose.
How else can they blame all of the past eight years on the Dems if they get another four?

Plus there is just to much shit to be uncovered and fixed by whatever poor soul who gets the office, that the GOP know better than to actual grab it.

Tony404 I would like to see a Micheal/Arnold ticket. I mean Arnold can be a VP cant he? I do not recall any rules prohibiting it directly, though it would cause a legal battle. Yet neither need special interest groups and both can use their own money.

Digipimp 09-19-2007 07:36 PM

i would like to see them get rid of the president and have something more like parliament. in addition i'd like us to have a king who has no power but is just a figurehead. i'd have him picked by a reality television show and start our own royals.

tony286 09-19-2007 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13113313)
They need to and want to loose.
How else can they blame all of the past eight years on the Dems if they get another four?

Plus there is just to much shit to be uncovered and fixed by whatever poor soul who gets the office, that the GOP know better than to actual grab it.

Tony404 I would like to see a Micheal/Arnold ticket. I mean Arnold can be a VP cant he? I do not recall any rules prohibiting it directly, though it would cause a legal battle. Yet neither need special interest groups and both can use their own money.

That would be a great ticket, I think they can do that. They should change that law, like Arnold has some hidden loyalty to Austria. lol

LiveDose 09-19-2007 08:42 PM

The 2008 election is up in the air. A bunch of fuckin' morons on both sides.

It's pathetic.

fuzzylogic 09-19-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digipimp (Post 13113324)
i would like to see them get rid of the president and have something more like parliament. in addition i'd like us to have a king who has no power but is just a figurehead. i'd have him picked by a reality television show and start our own royals.

lol :thumbsup

spacedog 09-19-2007 09:00 PM

Hillary = Bad for the country
Obama = Bad for the country
Bloomberg = Our country will be ruined & completely fucked!


All 3 of the above want to enact laws to restrict & strip your constitutional rights.


Voting for Bloomberg is pretty much like asking for another Hitler

baddog 09-19-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13113313)
I mean Arnold can be a VP cant he?

And if Bloomberg died, or had to go in for surgery, who would be President?

baddog 09-19-2007 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13113334)
That would be a great ticket, I think they can do that. They should change that law, like Arnold has some hidden loyalty to Austria. lol

Vote him in as your governor then

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13113583)
Hillary = Bad for the country
Obama = Bad for the country
Bloomberg = Our country will be ruined & completely fucked!


All 3 of the above want to enact laws to restrict & strip your constitutional rights.


Voting for Bloomberg is pretty much like asking for another Hitler

What laws would restrict our constitutional rights? Democrats have been more respectful of the Constitution than Republicans over the past decade.

And anyways, why does everyone always bring up the Constitution like it was some fabulous document with the best interest of us in mind?

spacedog 09-19-2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13113653)
What laws would restrict our constitutional rights? Democrats have been more respectful of the Constitution than Republicans over the past decade.

And anyways, why does everyone always bring up the Constitution like it was some fabulous document with the best interest of us in mind?



All 3 of those candidates are against the 2nd amendment & want to strip americans of the right to bear arms.

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13113688)
All 3 of those candidates are against the 2nd amendment & want to strip americans of the right to bear arms.

Have you looked at how many constitutional rights you've lost under this administration and Republican rule?

baddog 09-19-2007 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13113739)
Have you looked at how many constitutional rights you've lost under this administration and Republican rule?

What rights have you experienced loss of?

Vendzilla 09-19-2007 09:39 PM

Fred for president;;; http://fred08.com

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13113744)
What rights have you experienced loss of?

I haven't experienced anything, then again I am a meaningless cog in society (although I would have no knowledge whether my banking, library, telephone records were viewed by the government without a warrant). But as for rights that have been taken away under the administration, I'll start with the right to protest, habeas corpus, searched and seizure without a warrant.

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13113762)
Fred for president;;; http://fred08.com

Just what America needs, a lobbyist as President.

Mr Steele 09-19-2007 09:51 PM

I'd love to see Ron Paul get the nomination and be able to debate Hillary or Obama, I can almost guarrantee that the GOP would win then

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Steele (Post 13113815)
I'd love to see Ron Paul get the nomination and be able to debate Hillary or Obama, I can almost guarrantee that the GOP would win then

I like Paul and some of his ideas, but he doesn't practice what he preaches. He grabs earmarks just like the rest of them and spends like a drunken sailor in his district.

mikesouth 09-19-2007 10:01 PM

OK yall...civics lesson

Arnold Can't be VP because to be VP you have to meet the requirements to be President should the need arise best arnold could hope for is speaker of the house putting him 3rd in line BUT being that he wouldnt qualify it would go to senate speaker pro tem

spacedog 09-19-2007 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13113739)
Have you looked at how many constitutional rights you've lost under this administration and Republican rule?

I understand you're argument, however, I'm not looking at party affiliation, only the candidates individually.

2nd amendment rights are very important to me & within the shooting sports community, heavy opposition is being brought against Hillary, Obama & especially Bloomberg..


To anyone that enjoys hunting, competitive sports shooting, or recreational range shooting, or any other lawful activities related to firearms, the above 3 candidates pose a very significant & real threat.

After Shock Media 09-19-2007 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13113606)
And if Bloomberg died, or had to go in for surgery, who would be President?

Nothing is perfect and our constitution did not cover such an issue. It however did cover who could be president. So it would be up for legal debate like I said.

Following your logic what if the President and the Vice President both had issues at same time and the speaker of the house was not born in the US?

mikesouth 09-19-2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 13113744)
What rights have you experienced loss of?

Ok Baddog

lost the fourth amendment right of due process (patriot act, 2257 among others)

lost the first amendment right of free speech (free spech "zones")

lost the right to habeas corpus (patriot act)

theres more but thats a good start

If this president was around in a different time he'd have been executed for treason.

Mr Steele 09-19-2007 10:07 PM

I don't believe that's exactly the case.. just one of the cursory talking points they try to paint negatively about him. I don't trust any other candidate personally.

"If Ron Paul's biggest skeleton in the closet is the amount of money his district spends on shrimp research, then the establishment media are going to have a difficult time maintaining their assault on his credibility..."

"Paul then votes against the very bills containing his earmarks as unconstitutional. If they do pass over his "no" vote, he appropriately wants some of the taxes taken from his constituents returned to his district. Simple, fair and principled if you ask me."

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.co...tack-dogs.html

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst061807.htm

baddog 09-19-2007 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13113859)
Following your logic what if the President and the Vice President both had issues at same time and the speaker of the house was not born in the US?

President of the Senate pro tempore
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense

etc, etc

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13113858)
I understand you're argument, however, I'm not looking at party affiliation, only the candidates individually.

2nd amendment rights are very important to me & within the shooting sports community, heavy opposition is being brought against Hillary, Obama & especially Bloomberg..


To anyone that enjoys hunting, competitive sports shooting, or recreational range shooting, or any other lawful activities related to firearms, the above 3 candidates pose a very significant & real threat.

I agree. I wish I could have a gun in Chicago for protection.

pocketkangaroo 09-19-2007 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 13113861)
If this president was around in a different time he'd have been executed for treason.

I'd disagree about this statement. We have had Presidents do much worse. Remember that Lincoln and Grant both suspended Habeas Corpus under their power. Even Clinton put a wrench in it after the Oklahoma City bombings.

As for other powers, remember that we've had Sedition Acts in this country for most of its existence. We had Presidents denounce Native Americans as lesser beings, forced them to move West, and locked up or hung any Americans who associated with them. We had President's make laws barring poor whites from conversing with blacks and even drinking from the same fountain. They didn't allow women to vote or even own property, and wars that required drafts allowed the rich to buy their way out.

Our rights have been trampled on throughout this country's existence. Heck, we technically don't even elect our own President. I think you can point to any point in time in our country's history and find a President or government trying to eliminate or reduce someone's rights.

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13113802)
Just what America needs, a lobbyist as President.

I actually like his stand on several things, here's a list
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

I think we'll see a run between him and Hillary

Snake Doctor 09-20-2007 09:07 AM

I'm in favor of Webb's bill, but then again I'm against the war in the first place.

I think the way the republicans are thinking is that if this became law it would be a backdoor way of forcing the president to cut the number of troops in Iraq, and they're not ready to do that yet.

spacedog 09-20-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 13115737)
I actually like his stand on several things, here's a list
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

I think we'll see a run between him and Hillary


Thank you for the link.... Just convinced me to support this guy :thumbsup

Guess for me, the choices are now Fred Thompson or Ron Paul, but realistically, I think Thompson is more capable.

GatorB 09-20-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13115864)
Thank you for the link.... Just convinced me to support this guy :thumbsup

Guess for me, the choices are now Fred Thompson or Ron Paul, but realistically, I think Thompson is more capable.


You're nuts if you think Fred should be President. Have had him a senator I certainly don't want him as President. Hell his own kid hated him so much she blew hers brains outs rather than to put up with his shit.

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13116175)
You're nuts if you think Fred should be President. Have had him a senator I certainly don't want him as President. Hell his own kid hated him so much she blew hers brains outs rather than to put up with his shit.

get your facts straight

The Tennessean in Nashville reported Saturday that Panici's death was the result of an accidental drug overdose. The newspaper report cited a medical examiner's report and toxicology tests showing six times the lethal level of the painkiller hydrocodone in her blood when she arrived at the hospital emergency room.

spacedog 09-20-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13116175)
You're nuts if you think Fred should be President. Have had him a senator I certainly don't want him as President. Hell his own kid hated him so much she blew hers brains outs rather than to put up with his shit.



Perhaps...

I'll have to take a look at candidates on a case by case basis & see their views & stand on particular issues that are important to me..

Issues that I'll be considering as favorable are:

PRO 2nd ammendment / Against stricter gun control

Anti Immigration / we need TOUGHER, STRICTER immigration policies.

Foreign Policy / We need to spend less time on foreign policy, foreign aid, etc & concentrate more on domestic issues.

Economy / Free trade --- This country needs to do less importing & regain a strong economy & regain consumer confidence in american manufacturing & production as well as boost american exportation.


Health care & education // USA should be on par with Switzerland & Canada in respects to education & health care policy

D 09-20-2007 10:58 AM

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EonBlue 09-20-2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 13113801)
I haven't experienced anything, then again I am a meaningless cog in society (although I would have no knowledge whether my banking, library, telephone records were viewed by the government without a warrant). But as for rights that have been taken away under the administration, I'll start with the right to protest, habeas corpus, searched and seizure without a warrant.

Right to protest taken away? What do you think these moonbats are doing?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mBmcjS6bd9g

Vendzilla 09-20-2007 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13116306)

PRO 2nd ammendment / Against stricter gun control

They need to enforce the laws on the books, but they do need to keep guns from people that are not citizens
Quote:

Anti Immigration / we need TOUGHER, STRICTER immigration policies.
Immigration is good, as long as it's legal, we need to control our borders, not offer amnesty for illegal immigrants

Quote:

Economy / Free trade --- This country needs to do less importing & regain a strong economy & regain consumer confidence in american manufacturing & production as well as boost american exportation.
Nafta needs to be overhauled, a new Toyota is put together in the US, a new Dodge is done in Mexico
Quote:

Health care & education // USA should be on par with Switzerland & Canada in respects to education & health care policy
Our healthcare is a mess, hilary and bill played with our medical system first and see what it got us?

GatorB 09-20-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 13116306)
PRO 2nd ammendment / Against stricter gun control

first of all you clearly never unsderstood the actual intent of the 2nd admendment. That aside are you a criminal do you plan on commiting crimes witha gubn. An HONEST citzen wouldn't have any fear of any sticter gun control laws. So ths makes me wonder about you. Do you deal drugs or other illegal activity? I'm sure if someone said to you they were in facor of lesser punisment on ban robbery you'd be inclined to think they might intend to rob a bank.

Also you're obvious lack of knowledge on how out government s works is appearant because 2nd Admenment issues are red herrings the powers that be use to fool the ignorant into voting for them. Millions of ingorant rednecks were fooled into not voting for Gore or Kerry on the misconception that they would "take away their guns"

DaddyHalbucks 09-20-2007 12:20 PM

It's a little early to start gloating.


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