One thing that bugs me about plane crashes
 

So on Nat Geo they have this series called air crash investigation.

I noticed one 2 returning things after seeing a dozen or episodes.

Everytime when things go wrong which usually are:
Suddenly stuff stops working. Like engines or steering stuff or anything else.
Or smoke appearing out of nowhere or anything else really that doesnt make the plane crash right away but sure looks like a big problem they are required to do 2 things:

Get the fucking HUGE plane manual and search up the problem and follow the steps. 9 out of 10 times before the even finish it the plane by then met the ground. And the other thing is "climb to a safe altitude" Yup, try to get 10km in the air so you have time before you crash.

Not once is the first reaction "ok lets get this plane on the ground as soon as fucking possible". I understand they can not land just anywhere and above the ocean that for sure isnt an option but so many times the just keep on flying thinking they can solve the problem through a manual. So after 45 minutes that smoke turned into a big fire and then its too late.

I think those large planes such as 747 and whatnot can ONLY land safely on an airstrip. They can't just 'put her down' in a field or something.

Well im not talking about a field really. Its just that instead of finding the nearest airport first they go search in some manual while a fire is burning.

I'm sure there are thousands of instances where the first response of "find a manual" eliminated any problems.

Im sure there are but come on, smoke coming out of an area they cant even reach and dont know what it is means land the fucking plane in my book.

Maybe smoke coming out of somewhere doesn't mean that place is where the fire is.. and they need to look in the manual to figure out how to find the fire and how to deal with it? I don't know. There's probably a 'don't panic' element in their not rushing to land, also.

It also bugs me that companies take calculated risks.

Take plane type x. Lets say it crashed 5 years ago and they found out a minor detail in the design can actually make the plane crash BUT it's very rare. It happened once and it can happen again but maybe only once every 25 years. So they then calculate what it would cost to repair all those planes or what it would cost in lawsuits and settlements when a plane might crash. Settlements would be cheaper? Ok no fixing of the plane.

Like I said. I'm sure that happens often and the manual is a quick saviour instead of risking hundreds of lives every time in an emergency landing.

I like to think I'm pretty smart, but I doubt I'm smarter than the knowledge and experience 100 years of flight has yielded.

Does that really happen? It would be fucking horrible if it does. :Oh crap

Then again, in this world... it probably does.

The manuals exist for a reason. Drastic and dramatic actions without guidance can lead a larger and more complete crash.

The manuals exist to make sure that simple fixes, bypasses, or similar simple solutions aren't missed. Most aircraft have backups on almost every system, and you need to take the time to try to engage them in the correct manner. Those manuals are NOT a joke.

The sad fact is that gravity is a bitch. The level of problem that makes your car stop on the side of the road is usually a big fatal crash in airplane terms.

Dude if there was a safer solution they would be using it... flying is very safe.

First thing you need to remember is that pilots aren't the mechanics, not to mention that aircraft are about as complicated as it gets, especially commercial aircraft. "Safe Altitude" can mean a lot of things though. It could be that the plane has lost pressure, so the altitude where you can breath without oxygen masks is needed. Or it could be the altitude where you can dump the remainding fuel on board safely without it just spilling onto who knows what, causing another problem. The shits is complicated.

It definitely does. I have a buddy that went through the same ordeal, except with trains instead of planes. They figured out the cost of reflective stripes on every cargo car would be cheaper than the cost of law suits for people in the country driving into trains at unmarked crossings.

He is set to win 3.5 million. They are appealing, but I think he is going to win a shitload.

what amazes me about those shows...is the amount of wrecakge you see after the crash

bodies...plane parts..engines from the planes..identifiable markings that show what plane it was.

This was supposed to say that the cost of reflective stripes on every cargo car would be more expensive than the cost of law suits for people in the country driving into trains at unmarked crossings.

I have been drinking, so I apologize for my stupidity.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY - Bayer sold HIV-tainted drugs - drugs they knew had HIV in it - just to make a buck. It was "cost efficient" for a few people to get AIDS :)

as a pilot even if your crash-landing your need to find a area with no residents to crash at, thats why they go high if they can

flying is simply unhealthy
if manhood should fly we all would have wings

Very, very rarely does something catastrophic happen in mid flight. Over 95% of all airplane crashes take place as the plane is taking off or landing (thus the large 'buffer zones' that typically surround an airport). A monkey can fly a typical jetliner if all systems are in check. Knowing how to handle things when they go wrong is why these guys spend hundreds of hours in training.

how your altitude matters exactly when it comes to dumping fuel?

List three plane crashes that crashed because of fire in the last 10 years!

You won't find three because they never crash because of fire !

Infact, you won't find hardly any that crashed from 10,000 feet because
it's very rare.

Almost all occur within the first minute or the last minute of the flight
close the the airport!

I saw one episode some days ago. About that old pilot from Egypt(?). He was alone in the cockpit and crashed the plane by himself. Crazy shit

i thought when a plane hits a building it completely disapeared* into nothing.. so what to worry about

*apart from the pilots passport of course

I'd like to know why they don't build planes so that the passenger (and pilot) part can pull away from the rest of the plane and parachute safely to the ground.

thats a good question, but that would be too expensive and most people wouldn't want to pay for it, considering air travel is the safest way of travelling anyway

I'm always paranoic about things that are out of my contol, so I surely would pay for it, heh :)

All of the new Cirrus planes come with the CAPS system which deploys a 55 foot wide parachute in emergencies bringing the airplane AND passengers to the ground safely.

:thumbsup

well he was talking about commercial planes.........

The thing that bothers me is when someone survives they thank God, when they all die, they blame the pilots.

Yes exactly. And if its all in gods hands why did that plane almost crash in the first place?

That isnt gods work but when they survive that suddenly is gods work.

I very interesting FACT is that in a commercial plane crash your chances for SURVIVAL are 94%, they just like to show the fiery bloody ones... :pimp

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

I'm scared as hell for flying. That really would help me:) They should make that kind of systems on a commercial airplane(but probably way to expensive)

wow I'm a great thread killer :S

i would like someone to find out what the problem was, or at least think, before they try and do an emergancy landing in the middle of no where lol

If you dump fuel at a low altitude, it will get all over everything and could cause fires and all kinds of other ecological problems. If the fuel is dumped at a higher altitude, it disipates and spreads out to the point where its vaporizes and is no longer an issue. :thumbsup

Franck, you watch the one where the dudes glided to .... I think Iceland???? Wicked as hell. They got some award for that, but many blamed them for it.

Awesome episode.

Ah no havent seen that one i think. They will show it sooner or later here i guess.

Maybe?

http://www.tv.com/national-geographi...ist;ep_title;2

Best ever, by far. Seriously. It appears rated the highest all time for that show.

I gotta say that your broken English had me rolling there. I know its rude to laugh but that was just great :thumbsup

I love that series btw, that and Seconds from Disaster.

Oh and if you happen to watch Situation Critical they interview all these people in foreign languages without providing a translation.