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08-31-2002, 04:23 PM

http://www.sweetmomma.com/galleries/1/
http://www.sweetmomma.com/galleries/2/
http://www.sweetmomma.com/galleries/3/
http://www.sweetmomma.com/galleries/4/

What do you think guys? Is this gonna set a new standard?

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08-31-2002, 04:24 PM

i likes ;c)

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08-31-2002, 04:24 PM

nope..
if they cant get free shit from you..
they'll get it from somewhere else..
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08-31-2002, 04:25 PM

And how are you going to make the rest of your ilk follow your lead.

TGP2 was a fantastic idea shoved into obscurity.
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08-31-2002, 04:25 PM

of course it would be good if everyone did that
but give us a good reason why tgp's would start accepting that kind of galleries
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08-31-2002, 04:26 PM

Well, anyone who is smart will follow, this is fuckload of money-idea. And I am nice enough to share

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08-31-2002, 04:31 PM

can you answer my question?

i ask you again, tell me why tgp owners should accept these galleries
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08-31-2002, 04:32 PM

I like, good concept. I'd be willing to work with you on this, and I know a few others who are also interested. Hit me up on ICQ.. 91573698

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08-31-2002, 04:33 PM

I am all for it. The big boys would never do that though. Unfortunately without the cooperation of EVERYONE, the idea is useless. I would love to hear what the hun, zilla, etc have to say about the idea.

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08-31-2002, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Lane
can you answer my question?

i ask you again, tell me why tgp owners should accept these galleries

because they would put their own galleries on the tgp
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08-31-2002, 04:36 PM

That is how I set up my sites... it works better than a tour...

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08-31-2002, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Lane
of course it would be good if everyone did that
but give us a good reason why tgp's would start accepting that kind of galleries

Uhhh, to make money? Wonder why you don't make much money? Too goddamned many people giving away free quality porn. If there were NO free hardcore porn on the net, the millions of freeloading surfers would be forced to either join paysites to see porn OR get used to jerking off to pics of fully clothed women.

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08-31-2002, 04:36 PM

I love the idea.. so,, I am going to submit 2 galleries tonight with that setup. Lets see who takes it and who doesn't..

But personally I have paysites I love it,,

I never did like tgp2's but this I like

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08-31-2002, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by hyper

because they would put their own galleries on the tgp

Thank you!

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08-31-2002, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by steffie
I love the idea.. so,, I am going to submit 2 galleries tonight with that setup. Lets see who takes it and who doesn't..

But personally I have paysites I love it,,

I never did like tgp2's but this I like

Submit to me, I will accept it gladly!

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08-31-2002, 04:40 PM

good idea, I like the concept.

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08-31-2002, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by [Labret]
And how are you going to make the rest of your ilk follow your lead.

TGP2 was a fantastic idea shoved into obscurity.

its because they are too fucking lazy to build all those pages.... they want to use their little programs and bust out a gallery and make tons of money asap.
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08-31-2002, 04:42 PM

I like it, and would love to see it catch on.

Generally speaking... It's only a matter of time before all the free porn makes it nigh impossible to make any money... and once that happens, even that will go away. So in the long run, the free porn will die.. but personally, I'd rather see us work on a stable overall business model, instead of waiting for that.

More specifically... Anything that reduces the amount of free content, but still gives people enough to see to drive traffic around and create sales, sounds great to me. The greyed thumbs are a nice compromise.

Problems... Too many thumbs. The amount of images is overwhelming. It makes what you actually see look much less impressive. I would set a limit on the range of number of images, and number of thumbs.

So, continuing that line of thought... what would you say are the complete specs of a "TGP3" gallery?

- greyed thumbs for images not included for free

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08-31-2002, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by gotys
What do you think guys? Is this gonna set a new standard?

Although that is a good idea, its about what you don't show the surfer.
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08-31-2002, 04:46 PM

*sigh*

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08-31-2002, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by hyper
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08-31-2002, 04:51 PM

Provided that the gallery actually has the required number of clickable images to be accepted to a particular TGP, I see why not tease the visitor a bit more with the shit he has to pay for to get. Not a bad idea at all.

What I would change is make member area thumbs color and free ones black-and-white. This way the fuckers will keep clicking on the juicy color ones.

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08-31-2002, 04:59 PM

Almost every week - a new idea on how to change the system.
Not that it is a bad idea - it just won't work.
Believe what you want, but there is such a thing as suppply and demand.

YOU CAN NOT CONTROL the supply - no matter what you think. you might get some people here and there - but you can do that with a circle jerk site as well. If people don't like it - they will go somewhere else.

Free Porn is here to stay.

Why people go with TGPs WHEN THEY DON'T want to give away free porn - I will never know.

You are much better off with free sites - you won't go into debt for your bandwidth - and you will make a profit.

TRAFFIC does not equal money - especially when some of that traffic is hitbot traffic and a good deal is foreign.

Maybe I am missing something.
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08-31-2002, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Chris R
Almost every week - a new idea on how to change the system.
Not that it is a bad idea - it just won't work.
Believe what you want, but there is such a thing as suppply and demand.

YOU CAN NOT CONTROL the supply - no matter what you think. you might get some people here and there - but you can do that with a circle jerk site as well. If people don't like it - they will go somewhere else.

Free Porn is here to stay.

Why people go with TGPs WHEN THEY DON'T want to give away free porn - I will never know.

You are much better off with free sites - you won't go into debt for your bandwidth - and you will make a profit.

TRAFFIC does not equal money - especially when some of that traffic is hitbot traffic and a good deal is foreign.

Maybe I am missing something.

i think you pretty much covered it all.

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08-31-2002, 05:07 PM

Sorry, I don't see this flying. I'm not rooting against it, but I went thru a serious fling with TGP2, and I smell a repeat.
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08-31-2002, 05:08 PM

What is it with August and those "revolutionnary" tgp ideas?

I have a better idea :

TGP 4 - Only thumbnails. I only want to show them what to expect inside. They want the fucking pictures, pay for them asshole.

Oh wait. I am alone with this idea. Everybody thinks it's great, but nobody will accept this kind of gallery.

Oh well, I'll wait until august 2003 and propose something else..
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08-31-2002, 05:14 PM

I think it would actually work better if you just censored the images, or blurred them somehow maybe.

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08-31-2002, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by cherrylula
I think it would actually work better if you just censored the images, or blurred them somehow maybe.

Curiousity killed the cat.

even better - show tits and ass only - no pussy, no hardcore shots.

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08-31-2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by cherrylula
I think it would actually work better if you just censored the images, or blurred them somehow maybe.

Curiousity killed the cat.

That happens to work great. On AVS tours.

TGP is not going to accept these - it's not going to change.

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08-31-2002, 06:12 PM

Let us know how this works for you Petr if you end up posting these on your sites.
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08-31-2002, 08:14 PM

the galleries cant do anthign but help the situation. Porn has and always been an impulse buy.If the surfer sees something they like,they buy so if they like the images they buy. WHo gives a fuck about if the stupid surfer goes to another TGP because lets face it,a lost surfer is likely gone forever.

More thong and tit pics cant do anything but help the biz and keep unecessary traffic suckers down. Its just simply another way of filtering traffic. Im sure it will work

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08-31-2002, 08:31 PM

of course if you can get the traffic to the gallery, it will make much more money....

but tell this to the tgp owners... they are too afraid to lose their surfers..

can anyone make a list of tgp's who will accept these kind of galleries?
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08-31-2002, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Lane
of course if you can get the traffic to the gallery, it will make much more money....

but tell this to the tgp owners... they are too afraid to lose their surfers..

can anyone make a list of tgp's who will accept these kind of galleries?

it definitely wouldnt hurt any of the smaller TGP's to do this since they dont have much to lose. Why wait for the big boys to convert when the minority can trade traffic within the pool? Think about it...once the glories of the conversions start sprouting some may convert and some wont. Personally I wouldnt want to wait around to make any money

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08-31-2002, 08:42 PM

This is actually a pretty damn *creative* approach to a solution, rather than the "how many pics should we show" debate. I like it!

I do, however, think that there are too many pics on the galleries - it is a bit overwhelming and think of your 'average' surfer who gets confused just turning on his monitor.

Also one of my biggees is NO HARDCORE - you've kept pretty close to that but in gallery 3 you've got a full-sized pic of the girl with the guy's dick stuffed all the way down her throat.

The idea proposed recently about putting hardcore TGP galleries behind an AVS system is also a good one, and I've seen a few people mention in chat rooms and such that they're doing this and it's working very well for them.
Also can't help with the law coming down the pike... eventually all of the hardcore is going to get the majority of the TGPs shut down but if we wait for that we'll all be broke.
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08-31-2002, 08:47 PM

You can put me on the list of sites that wont accept these. Just want to make that clear....

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08-31-2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by the Shemp
You can put me on the list of sites that wont accept these. Just want to make that clear....

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Because the grayed thumbs go to the signup page ?? What about if the grayed out thumbs were linkless ?? We have a couple of customers that run paysites like that, they show the whole site on the front, but to get to the pic's or the actual movies you have to be a member. It seems to help with retention and signups, customer can never say they didn't know what was in the members area

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08-31-2002, 09:12 PM

No main stream TGP with any decent amount of traffic is going to accept a gallery thumb linked to a signup page. Pichunter's site is based on trades with mainstream TGPs (me included) and I'm not supporting this concept. If Pichunter goes with this, our trade is done, no big deal to him, I'm sure, but thats how I look at it.

I don't like unlinked thumbs either, its to easy to hotlink them after they have been posted.

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08-31-2002, 09:18 PM

we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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08-31-2002, 09:19 PM

I love the idea of having the pink and spread thumbs hidden with the grea area for members only...

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08-31-2002, 10:12 PM

If you really want to reduce the amount of free porn on the internet, delete some of your pages.

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08-31-2002, 10:15 PM

I'm hoping this thread dies beore the Leader sees it.
He is going to have a crapfit,

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08-31-2002, 10:18 PM

Best thing to do is to have your own tgp site/sites with decent traffic, and list tons of your own galleries, with however many thumbs you want, pics on html pages, thumbs wrapped around a fpa, big pics linked to the sponsor ...etc I already see a lot of pretty big tgp's listing only hosted galleries and all their own shit...

Ofcourse we don't want everyone and their mom starting a tgp now ... there's already to many out there
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08-31-2002, 10:21 PM

Alright I see Petr has changed his tune a little from a week ago. Whats up with that?

I have to say I disagree with just about everyone's opinion that feels that "It Will never Change". A change doesnt mean a complete do away with all free porn approach... It could mean a lot of things, and as with any business (which BTW this is). this Business can change ina heartbeat. For instance, let's imagine... (work with me on this it's deep ---> On tuesday, there were no pay site sales, none, anywhere in the world, than it happend again all the way through the following Tuesday, trust me, shit would change, people might start removing paid ad's, ect. Things would scramble, and you can bet that "It will never change" will quickly become, "Holy shit did you see how fadst everything changed".

As for Petr's idea, Ill give him the props on the creativity, however im not sure im all about posting galleries with full sets, and a huge % of them linked right to the join page, think of some sponsors out there with 900 consoles on the main page of the tour, that would most certainly piss a surfer off, I like the idea, but I think the gameplan needs to be worked on a bit in order to make that type of gallery acceptable in any fashion, anywhere.

The August blues should be over here shortly, so im sure that posts like this will come to an end. However I will still make some internal changes on the galleries I list as well as the galleries I create for my own sites. I have tested some variations of the above out (minus the link to the sponsor), and it hasnt hurt traffic at all on my site. And yes it did increase the signups a bit (small scale because it was a small scale test.)

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08-31-2002, 11:14 PM

I just want to thank you all for your input. I am going to stick with my plan, and I will make money on this, and I don't doubt this. I will let you all know how it goes, if my idea gets profitable, I hope you will join me, because honestly, I think there is fuckload of free porn, and I am starting to notice the difference in my income. Eventually I will use pichunter as a traffic feeder, I will keep it the way it is now, until my TGP3 idea becomes more profitable than pichunter. Than I willl turn pichunter into the same things as sweet momma ( the galleries listed above).

I know for sure hun.com and other big TGPs won't change, because it is a risk to their income. I am a risky person, and I am willling to take the rist. I will lose traffic, probably 50% of it, but I am sure i will make 1000% more profit than I was maknig up till today.

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08-31-2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by gotys
I just want to thank you all for your input. I am going to stick with my plan, and I will make money on this, and I don't doubt this. I will let you all know how it goes, if my idea gets profitable, I hope you will join me, because honestly, I think there is fuckload of free porn, and I am starting to notice the difference in my income. Eventually I will use pichunter as a traffic feeder, I will keep it the way it is now, until my TGP3 idea becomes more profitable than pichunter. Than I willl turn pichunter into the same things as sweet momma ( the galleries listed above).

I know for sure hun.com and other big TGPs won't change, because it is a risk to their income. I am a risky person, and I am willling to take the rist. I will lose traffic, probably 50% of it, but I am sure i will make 1000% more profit than I was maknig up till today.

If your idea gets profitable - you'll have no problem getting people to join you

You seem pretty smart - I don't think it will work, but I can keep an open mind.
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08-31-2002, 11:19 PM

Well Petr, at least you are upfront about it. Good Luck

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08-31-2002, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by the Shemp
Well Petr, at least you are upfront about it. Good Luck

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Shemp, bro, you've been around for much longer than me, you know your stuff much better than me. Free porn is a big thing these days, it gives you income, pretty good one....if you think about it, some people work their asses off all of theri lives..they go to school, than they work for 30 years before they start making $50,000 a year, yet you make that easily in 4 months. I know how it is.... it's nice to be relaxed knowing you got your bookmarkers, and as time passes you will still have them, and you will always figure out ways to keep on making cash from them.

Last night I realized, there will be a day when all your ideas are gone, you have tried everything, all possible sponsors, you traffic keeps on growing, yet your income keeps on shrinking. I got scared, and I came up with this idea. I don't believe in God, but if I did, I would pray to God right now that my idea worked, because if all of us don't start acting up, we will be broke one day, all of us, including the hun.

Because let's face it. People that buy banner spots from hun quicjky learn that they have wasted their money on the ads. It won't take long before they will know this before they even pay for the ad. We all will start loosing money, until there will be only couple TGPs - the strongest ones that will survive. Than circle will start again - you know all of that - demand vs supply thing.

I just don't want this to happen. I am scared of it. This is all I have, and I don't want to loose it. I could keep my idea for myself, and I don't doubt I'd make money on it. But I WANT to share it, because I want things to change. I am seriously PISSED about all the freeloaders, every night of my life I think about ways of making cash from these fuckers, they piss me off.

Anyhow, I am fucking drunk at the moment, I probably wrote shitload of stupid shit right now, but all I know for sure is that things DO need to change. I beg everyone to at least thing about it, and come up with new ideas. I hate regular Joe spanking his cock using my bandwith.

Fucking 500,000 uniques, and I am lucky if 60 of them toss out their credit cards. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT? Common guys, you all are geniuses, we all have something in common! Put your heads together and fucking do something before it's too late!

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08-31-2002, 11:40 PM

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08-31-2002, 11:51 PM

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If your idea gets profitable - you'll have no problem getting people to join you

You seem pretty smart - I don't think it will work, but I can keep an open mind.

Chris, I hope you will join me one day. You and everyone else. Fucking Joe the Freeloader needs to realize we can't kiss his ass forever.

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08-31-2002, 11:55 PM

Its 4 am here Labor Day Weekend, and I am sitting here in front of my pc and just did last month accounting. I am not happy, but I have had paysites for 6 years now, and trust me when I tell you. That's all I do.

Sit here trying to figure out a way to increase my money. I am stuck.

I have a really tiny tgp, basically for my surfers, members, and other amateur webmasters. It works good for me. I don't trade traffic and most will not even give me a look for my miesly 15k uniques per day.

But I do get my share of signups. So tonight I ran thru 2 galleries with that tgp3 flavor on it.

I know a lot of the smaller sites will take me, lots of amateurs like me with little traffic just basically generated from their own sweat and blood. Because we will never be able to trade with guys lik pichunter, shemp et al.

We are nobody for you guys.

When I first started to submit to you all (hun etc) 1997 there were no such things as galleries by sponsors, fuck there were only a handful sponsors. lol

Some no large, huge gallery owners used to email me and another friend and asked to submit to their galleries. And so we did. Now we don't even make it to their approve box.

Maybe I missed the boat somewhere. While having a good time partying, maybe I missed building a tgp or working a partner program out like ARS.

You think its frustrating for you big tgp owners? pffff. You don't know what frustrating is.

2 million amateurs competing with you
Every other Amateur is out there to destroy you, (Fucking trust me on that one)
Cliques everywhere!

Maybe its early, maybe I had to much to drink tonight. Maybe its because its a holiday weekend and I update paysites and run galleries thru RS hoping to make a sale.

I don't know where this tgp3 will go. I like it. Maybe the surfers will buy more from us poo folks who submit to you all. Why would that be so bad? I don't think you should link to the join page.

Here are 2 I made tonight and submitted

http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/09
http://www.fucksexlinks.com/galleries/10

For the small tgp who takes me. Kewl, maybe I get some signups. If not oh well. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe another sale!

God I am rambling!

Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm
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