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  • maddox
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2004
    • 648

    #1

    Epassporte getting into trouble for processing gambling

    I hear rumors that Epassporte can get into trouble for processing gambling, I heard it from many sources. I was told that some affiliate programs already stopped paying affiliates with epassporte because they are worried to loose money loaded to their epass account (the programs include but are not limited to GTS, SubmitPass). I make a lot of epassporte payments from my affiliate program and I always keep a lof of money on epass, so I am worried. did you hear anything about these problems?
  • jimthefiend
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2003
    • 18889

    #2
    There is no money in Epass.

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    • Agent 488
      Registered User
      • Feb 2006
      • 22511

      #3
      go to google news and search "epassporte".

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      • JD
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        • Sep 2003
        • 22651

        #4
        i get my $ out just as fast as it goes in

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        • Tat2Jr
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          #5
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          • maddox
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            • Jan 2004
            • 648

            #6
            OMG it really looks bad ((

            http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

            I am worried now, can any aff program owners chime in? Will you stop paying with epassporte?

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            • Jman
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              • Sep 2003
              • 22831

              #7
              Hummm does this mean Chris Mallick is risking Jail time
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              • Agent 488
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                • Feb 2006
                • 22511

                #8
                i love epass but US law makers are being asses.

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                • maddox
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 648

                  #9
                  it's hard for me to believe that such a trusted program like epass would be so stupid

                  and it seems nobody else heard such rumours here (beside me)

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                  • Agent 488
                    Registered User
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 22511

                    #10
                    Originally posted by maddox
                    it's hard for me to believe that such a trusted program like epass would be so stupid

                    and it seems nobody else heard such rumours here (beside me)
                    search gfy - there was a lot of chatter a few days ago about such subjects.

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                    • Shoehorn!
                      Die With Your Boots On
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 22872

                      #11
                      Originally posted by maddox
                      OMG it really looks bad ((

                      http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

                      I am worried now, can any aff program owners chime in? Will you stop paying with epassporte?
                      Not good.

                      I recently offered Epassporte as an option for affiliates to get paid by, but now I am considering not having it. Espescially with the recent problems DukeDollars encountered with it.

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                      • maddox
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 648

                        #12
                        Originally posted by budsbabes
                        search gfy - there was a lot of chatter a few days ago about such subjects.
                        I read GFY daily, all threads I remember were about stolen and missing money from the accounts, not about epass and gambling

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                        • fr0gman
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                          • Feb 2005
                          • 2093

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JMan
                          Hummm does this mean Chris Mallick is risking Jail time
                          Loose the funds of the right person and he could be risking hospital time.
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                          • BlackCrayon
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 19634

                            #14
                            if epass gets fucked because of gambling i am going to be so pissed. i use them every fucking day! why risk so much when you making so much money to begin with?
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                            • Barefootsies
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                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635

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                              • themonk
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                                • May 2006
                                • 6511

                                #16
                                they work with adult payments .. what is wrong with gambling
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                                • PornMySex
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                                  • Feb 2006
                                  • 577

                                  #17
                                  I hear they kept 250.000 dollars from an honest gambling site.

                                  Also, for example you can use epassporte to deposit money to Absolute Poker.

                                  If they still accept doing business with gambling companies, Us gov will get them down. I hope Chris Mallick will make a statement very soon.

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                                  • adultchica
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Sep 2005
                                    • 5141

                                    #18
                                    Where is epassporte based out of?

                                    I love epassporte, hope they can keep things under control

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                                    • maddox
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 648

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by adultchica
                                      Where is epassporte based out of?

                                      I love epassporte, hope they can keep things under control
                                      Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

                                      This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried

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                                      • split_joel
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                                        • Jan 2005
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                                        #20
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                                        • tranza
                                          ICQ: 197-556-237
                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 57559

                                          #21
                                          Errr.... They are not an US company, US laws don't apply.

                                          Are you guys dumb or what?
                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                          • tranza
                                            ICQ: 197-556-237
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 57559

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by maddox
                                            Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

                                            This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried
                                            Lol, are you for real???

                                            So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??
                                            I'm just a newbie.

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                                            • TheSenator
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                                              • Feb 2003
                                              • 13330

                                              #23
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                                              • maddox
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 648

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tranza
                                                Lol, are you for real???

                                                So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??
                                                yes I am 100% sure of that, I will not even mention that Chris Malick the owner of epassporte is US citizen, they will jail him sooner or later and epassporte will go down with him

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                                                • Agent 488
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 22511

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                  So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??
                                                  you're kidding right?

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                                                  • Agent 488
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Feb 2006
                                                    • 22511

                                                    #26
                                                    if they can arrest these two:

                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers
                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dicks

                                                    how hard would it be to arrest as US citizen?

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                                                    • Damian_Maxcash
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 12745

                                                      #27
                                                      I suppose it depends on how the US law is written....

                                                      Epass accounts are normally funded from the US and then those funds are used for gambling.

                                                      If the US Law-makers foresaw this loophole then I think they could at least stop people funding Epass accounts via the US banking system.

                                                      Epass I am sure have looked into it and know the score better than anyone here.

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                                                      • Agent 488
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                        • 22511

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by damian2001
                                                        I suppose it depends on how the US law is written....

                                                        Epass accounts are normally funded from the US and then those funds are used for gambling.

                                                        If the US Law-makers foresaw this loophole then I think they could at least stop people funding Epass accounts via the US banking system.

                                                        Epass I am sure have looked into it and know the score better than anyone here.
                                                        that they are the last company left doing it should raise some eyebrows.

                                                        and if US banks stop allowing companies to load money into their epass accounts a la duke dollars it will be all over anyway.

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                                                        • WhiplashDug
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                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                          • 3438

                                                          #29
                                                          Its not that the US can touch non-US citizens, or non-US companies - it's that with the current global political situations, it may be the the US justice department makes deals with host nations to disrupt certain types of business since those countires still want US aid money - but don't support the US foreign policies. So, anything is possible in this climate as countires not willing to stand with the US on most policies - but still want the financial aid.
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                                                          • Damian_Maxcash
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 12745

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                            that they are the last company left doing it should raise some eyebrows.

                                                            and if US banks stop allowing companies to load money into their epass accounts a la duke dollars it will be all over anyway.
                                                            I actually hadnt seen that DukeDollars thread - I wonder if the banks are doing it on their own or if they have been told to do it?

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                                                            • tranza
                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 57559

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                              you're kidding right?
                                                              No I'm not. For example, there's no law here in Brazil about 2257 documents (2257 is an american law).

                                                              So if the FBI knocked on my door, here in Sao Paulo, asking for 2257 documents I could tell them to go fuck themselves, they could never arrest me.

                                                              What they could do is take my sites down if they were hosted on american servers, or even ban my sites from the US (which is easily done).
                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                              • tranza
                                                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                • 57559

                                                                #32
                                                                Let me turn this the other way around.

                                                                Porn sites are forbidden in China. Could the Chinese Goverment arrest you because you have a porn site accessible from China?

                                                                No they could not, because you live in the US and US laws apply.

                                                                They could, and do, ban your site from Chinese access.
                                                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                • Kimo
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                                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                                  • 11542

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                                  Let me turn this the other way around.

                                                                  Porn sites are forbidden in China. Could the Chinese Goverment arrest you because you have a porn site accessible from China?

                                                                  No they could not, because you live in the US and US laws apply.

                                                                  They could, and do, ban your site from Chinese access.


                                                                  epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law
                                                                  ...

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                                                                  • tranza
                                                                    ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 57559

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Kimo
                                                                    epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law
                                                                    You see, THAT I did not know.

                                                                    So yes, they could be fucked.
                                                                    I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                    • ztik
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                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                      • 5196

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by maddox
                                                                      Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

                                                                      This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried
                                                                      Yeah, they have a US office too. So its even easier to get them
                                                                      .

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                                                                      • volante
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                        • 2940

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Many casinos have stopped accepting Epassporte recently.

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                                                                        • TinyTim
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                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                          • 188

                                                                          #37
                                                                          epassporte is a great company

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                                                                          • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 12745

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Kimo
                                                                            epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law
                                                                            Isnt that just a call center?

                                                                            1000s of US and UK companies have call centers in India - does that mean the Indian Govt can shut down the US company if its business is illegal in India?

                                                                            It seems to me they could close the call center but no more.....

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                                                                            • MissEve
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 583

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                              if epass gets fucked because of gambling i am going to be so pissed. i use them every fucking day! why risk so much when you making so much money to begin with?
                                                                              When Neteller stopped processing for poker sites players scrambled to find an alternative means to fund their accounts. I think epassporte picked up the majority of those customers. I would imagine that the amount of money they are making from adult is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

                                                                              twoplustwo.com is a huge poker forum that has tons of threads about epass if you want info from the online poker community. I think the biggest lesson everyone can learn from the Neteller debacle is to not leave large amounts of money in your account!

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                                                                              • breaker
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                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                • 652

                                                                                #40
                                                                                So we're back to square one with obsolete slow & expensive checks again?
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                                                                                • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 12745

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by breaker
                                                                                  So we're back to square one with obsolete slow & expensive checks again?
                                                                                  Bad news for the smaller progs that pay Epass......

                                                                                  Dozens of small Epass payments are fine

                                                                                  If I have to go back to wires or even worse checks then I dont want a dozen small ones - Its just not worth it. I will have to push my traffic to one or 2 bigger progs.

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                                                                                  • Vick!
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                    • 6882

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    US laws are so sick! WTF is wrong in online gambling if there is nothing wrong in offline shit?
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                                                                                    • maddox
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                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                      • 648

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      so I am wondering if we gonna get some clarification from epass, this silence is really worrying me

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                                                                                      • maddox
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                        • 648

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        nothing...mmmkay

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                                                                                        • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                          • 122992

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                                          US laws are so sick! WTF is wrong in online gambling if there is nothing wrong in offline shit?
                                                                                          cause the govt dont get a cut of the action yo

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                                                                                          • tony299
                                                                                            lurker
                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 57021

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            what my lawyer once told it doesnt matter where you have offices if the money comes back into america. You answer to american law.So basically if you want to go offshore you have to move offshore also to be protected.

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                                                                                            • jscott
                                                                                              jscizzle
                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                              • 25417

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Epass, can you please comment on this please?

                                                                                              This totally sucks, hopefully they can still resume normal business
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                                                                                              • kektex
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                                                                                                • Mar 2005
                                                                                                • 1813

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                World Police anyone?
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                                                                                                • quantum-x
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                  • 6863

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                  Lol, are you for real???

                                                                                                  So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??
                                                                                                  Sad, but 100% true. Recent facts:

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                                                                                                  #2 - ex VP (I think) of a gambling site gets owned by the FBI on a transit stop through the USA

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                                                                                                  • Forest
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                    • 9135

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by themonk
                                                                                                    they work with adult payments .. what is wrong with gambling

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