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spunkmaster 02-05-2007 02:38 PM

Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology says global warming bullshit
 
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide

By Timothy Ball

Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.?Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.? . For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.


What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?

Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.

Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.

No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.

I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.

In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?

Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.

I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.

Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.

I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.

As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.

Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.

Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.

I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.


Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at [email protected]


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm

polish_aristocrat 02-05-2007 02:39 PM

we have almost as many global warming as .xxx threads :helpme

Hazlewood 02-05-2007 02:40 PM

Thats way too long man...who is my fellow canuck trying to fool...we know whats causes global warming

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 02:43 PM

Anyone that has a dissenting opinion against Global warming is considered a nutjob or a kook, even if they are at the top of their field. :2 cents:

ridikuloz 02-05-2007 02:47 PM

blame canada

Agent 488 02-05-2007 02:48 PM

here's some info on that "objective" scientist:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball

Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1]

Previously, Ball has been identified as a Canadian climate change sceptic who is a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [2] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian think tank. [3]

The Sultan Of Smut 02-05-2007 02:49 PM

"Previously, Ball has been identified as a Canadian climate change sceptic who is a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball

he-fox 02-05-2007 02:49 PM

yeah, sure, this dude is smarter than the hundreds of scientists from 130 countries that had that conference weeks ago. Coz he´s a PhD.

Phoenix 02-05-2007 02:51 PM

haha a voice for the oil tycoons...that is mighty nice of him

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11865251)
here's some info on that "objective" scientist:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball

Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1]

Previously, Ball has been identified as a Canadian climate change sceptic who is a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [2] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian think tank. [3]


So they accuse him of being in bed with the oil industry, yet cite no source... ya thats valid. Find me who he works for that gets money from the oil industry and proof of it. If you only had that much proof for a sponsor shaving on gfy you would be banned.

Phoenix 02-05-2007 02:52 PM

haha a voice for the oil tycoons...that is mighty nice of him

Agent 488 02-05-2007 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11865279)
So they accuse him of being in bed with the oil industry, yet cite no source... ya thats valid. Find me who he works for that gets money from the oil industry and proof of it. If you only had that much proof for a sponsor shaving on gfy you would be banned.

gimme a sec.

the Shemp 02-05-2007 02:56 PM

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Shemp (Post 11865305)

Sorry but that is the stupidest fucking comparison ever. People that dont buy the whole global warming THEORY are now in the same boat as kooks that think the earth is flat? :1orglaugh

BradM 02-05-2007 03:01 PM

There is no such thing as global warming.

Webby 02-05-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 11865329)
There is no such thing as global warming.

Correct :thumbsup

Now, wondering if we can we clean up the environment and head in a more positive direction instead of talking shit about it?:)

Brad 02-05-2007 03:03 PM

lol. interesting article with no evidence either way. It's obvious what his argument is, but there is zero proof. Isn't a scientist supposed to support his or her claims with some evidence or some statistics at least? I'm no sceintist, but from the courses I took in University, this kind of narrative crap would never fly and isn't proving anything. I'm sure the guy is smart, but come on he's not fooling anyone.

Webby 02-05-2007 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 11865360)
I'm no sceintist, but from the courses I took in University, this kind of narrative crap would never fly and isn't proving anything.

You hit the nail on the head - it is "narrative crap" :thumbsup

PS Reminds me of expert witnesses - they will say anything to earn a dime and raise their profile on the "expert witness court circuit".

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:08 PM

http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response-vid.cfm

Watch the videos and see the outright lies that are being perpetrated.

Webby 02-05-2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11865409)
http://www.cei.org/pages/ait_response-vid.cfm

Watch the videos and see the outright lies that are being perpetrated.

Sticky... try and not be so silly using stupid lobby groups on an agenda to prove something ;-)

We are talking about yet another bullshit website created by Fred Smith...

Quote:

On March 14, 1984, Fred Smith launches the Competitive Enterprise Institute, with his wife Fran Smith and Cesar Conda as the original members of CEI's Board of Directors. Similar to the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who launched their companies from their garages, CEI's first offices were in Fred and Fran's kitchen.
PS I'm gonna start the Earth Foundation next week to prove something - I'll remember to start it in the kitchen *lol*

sh33p 02-05-2007 03:13 PM

I wonder how much he was paid by the oil companies.

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11865433)
Sticky... try and not be so silly using stupid lobby groups on an agenda to prove something ;-)

We are talking about yet another bullshit website created by Fred Smith...



PS I'm gonna start the Earth Foundation next week to prove something *lol*



Oh Fred Smith the evil anti global warming genius that killed small children in order to get his point across? I agree anyone that tortures kittens and puppies and kills small children should be drawn and quartered. :mad:

Of course you have proof that he is a dirty slave to the oil machine right? Point me in that direction..

pocketkangaroo 02-05-2007 03:16 PM

You're right man. I believe oil companies and scientists paid by oil companies over most of the world's scientists.

bhutocracy 02-05-2007 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkmaster (Post 11865204)

Timothy:
"Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda."

With logic like that now wonder he doesn't believe in the reality of global warming lol.

volante 02-05-2007 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by he-fox (Post 11865267)
yeah, sure, this dude is smarter than the hundreds of scientists from 130 countries that had that conference weeks ago. Coz he´s a PhD.

How about 17,000+ scientists who claim manmade global warming is bullshit?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

Webby 02-05-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11865452)
Oh Fred Smith the evil anti global warming genius that killed small children in order to get his point across? I agree anyone that tortures kittens and puppies and kills small children should be drawn and quartered. :mad:

Of course you have proof that he is a dirty slave to the oil machine right? Point me in that direction..

You obviously know more about Fred than others :1orglaugh Better report him to law enforcement with all that evidence ;-)

Sadly free speech has it's problems eh? Stupidity is one obstacle.

volante 02-05-2007 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11865458)
You're right man. I believe oil companies and scientists paid by oil companies over most of the world's scientists.

Three times as many scientists are funded by political organisations than business organisations.

pocketkangaroo 02-05-2007 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante (Post 11865477)
Three times as many scientists are funded by political organisations than business organisations.

That is a good fact. It doesn't change my belief that I trust the oil companies and their reports far more than most of the scientists in the world. The oil companies have no reason to lie.

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante (Post 11865466)
How about 17,000+ scientists who claim manmade global warming is bullshit?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm


Hush no dissenting opinions allowed regardless of their standing in the scientific community...

We will force Eugenics... err I mean Ice age theory..err I mean global warm.... I mean Global climate change

Webby 02-05-2007 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante (Post 11865477)
Three times as many scientists are funded by political organisations than business organisations.

Seriously... you have a point. There are many "scientists" on both the political and industry payroll. There are also more "scientists" who know absolutely nothing about "global warming" - it is not their field of expertise.

It may be more relevant to concentrate on the findings of those who are qualified and not attached to either political or industry lobby groups - and actually working in the area of climatology.

notabook 02-05-2007 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11865511)
Hush no dissenting opinions allowed regardless of their standing in the scientific community...

We will force Eugenics... err I mean Ice age theory..err I mean global warm.... I mean Global climate change

You forgot the gigantic-deadly-killer Ozone hole. :(

Agent 488 02-05-2007 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11865511)
Hush no dissenting opinions allowed regardless of their standing in the scientific community...

We will force Eugenics... err I mean Ice age theory..err I mean global warm.... I mean Global climate change

just because there was once consensus on now discredited ideas all ideas about which there is consensus are discredited also?

stupid-ass "argument."

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:35 PM

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BradM 02-05-2007 03:36 PM

If ANYONE can prove to me that this shift is outside of the norm for the last 100,000 years of weather data and that this warming is an obvious sign of HUMAN MADE and not natural warming, I'll be all ears.

Just like if God comes down and pats me on the back and lets me win the lottery, I'll be a believer.

Fact: We have 300 years weather data (not that accurate though) and we're going off 100 year records to make "estimates". COME ON people, I am sure there are 1,000 weather shifts all of the time and it goes up 10* then freezes for 2 years, warms up then freezes for 80.

Webby 02-05-2007 03:37 PM

Dunno why - just think useless posts with silly graphics belong in the kindergarten. Sadly, yet another example of the downside of free speech.

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notabook (Post 11865558)
You forgot the gigantic-deadly-killer Ozone hole. :(

Im just glad I bought that UV resistant silver heat suit when I did. Otherwise I would have skin cancer today just like the rest of the planet. Phew...

KingK7 02-05-2007 03:37 PM

Blame the gypsies!!!

Agent 488 02-05-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 11865597)
If ANYONE can prove to me that this shift is outside of the norm for the last 100,000 years of weather data and that this warming is an obvious sign of HUMAN MADE and not natural warming, I'll be all ears.

Just like if God comes down and pats me on the back and lets me win the lottery, I'll be a believer.

Fact: We have 300 years weather data (not that accurate though) and we're going off 100 year records to make "estimates". COME ON people, I am sure there are 1,000 weather shifts all of the time and it goes up 10* then freezes for 2 years, warms up then freezes for 80.

dude - read something besides drudge. grab some scientific journals.

cranki 02-05-2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante (Post 11865466)
How about 17,000+ scientists who claim manmade global warming is bullshit?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

gosh, how fucking stupid is that???? :Oh crap

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

stickyfingerz 02-05-2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11865576)
just because there was once consensus on now discredited ideas all ideas about which there is consensus are discredited also?

stupid-ass "argument."

Funny there was a consensus on flat earth, and there were witch trials in Salem. All very much thought to be 100#% accurate also. Now you only have to look back 30 to 40 years to see a gaggle of total bs scientists being paid via government grants have spewed and you might just see a pattern...


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