Woah!!!! That .XXX guy STUART LAWLEY is gonna be at XBIZ speaking on .XXX <DAMN!>
 

WOW!

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=19314


This is gonna generate some juice with the attendees. This will surely be standing room only and I predict major heat.

WOAH.


If you don't know who he is, he is the guy that is trying to push .xxx through.


http://opinion.zdnet.co.uk/comment/0...9149850,00.htm


This show just got bigger.

Cant we push something threw him?

wow is right. wonder how this'll play out

Hey AIR3K I really appreciate your involvement in this matter, most webmasters seem not to care at all... Have you notified your affiliates about the issue already?

I have to admit, the first time through I was pretty vocal about it and I got alot of people to send in rejections to ICANN. I don't know what more they can possibly want from us. They disallowed it the first time because we didn't want it, but yet here it is again in our face.

I will for sure be at this and have some questions. I will have to stay sober for this one, I tend to be a little more easily agitated when I'm slammed.

:1orglaugh

Just make sure you have intelligent arguments prepared. Nothing worse than a bunch of hotheads yelling and cursing.

"This is an extraordinary opportunity to listen to and speak with ICM — a force that will likely shape the landscape of adult entertainment online in the years to come, if .XXX becomes a reality,” XBIZ Publisher Tom Hymes said. “I invite all adult entertainment industry professionals to attend the panel on the assumption that .XXX will pass. The question that the panel and the attendees must address is, ‘What happens now?’”


hmm two things

1. I thought Tom Hymes from Xbiz, (formely from Free Speech Coalition) was against .xxx just 2 weeks ago http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00003.html

so why invite these guys now? :helpme

2. I hope ICM won't buy everyone drinks cause in that case they will become "top notch guys" very soon :1orglaugh :error

I will be emailing our affiliates and the ragecash and extremepaychecks affiliates with their permission at the absolute right time. I think that people should strategically plan when they email to send a solid message to ICANN in force at the right time.

god i wish this would just go away. it won't though. we have to make it.


we need to find the archive of the eric berstein show that we did on Legal Pad on Ynot Radio with me and Mike Hawk. Its a good listen.

Excellent! And let me know when you get it.

I'm a very controlled negotiator and debater in the right settings. Like I said, I won't be hittin the bottle much at this show.

Then again, I probably won't say anything, this battle needs to be won at ICANN not at the show. I hope people keep their composure and not show their hand to the competition. :2 cents:

I have to remain dignified and statuesque. I wouldn't want to let down Xbiz or the industry by being the voice for everyone without permission.

I'm sure that you will see your fair share of "he's a great guy" and "i don't see why everyone is so against him" posts after people shake hands with him.

I encourage everyone to be grown up and educated in their approaches and words and remember that he's just looking to do what everyone else is, which is PAD HIS POCKETS at our expense.

Bottom line is,

.xxx does not stop child p-ornography
.xxx does not stop kids from seeing p-orn
.xxx will not stop porn spam
.xxx will not stop sexual predators

These are the legs of the argument that need to be broken that he stands on.

Anyways, off to diddle my widdle for awhile. :1orglaugh

maybe they should get Zango to come also?

By the way, airek, do you realize public ICANN comments will close by feb 5th (less than 10 days left)? This would be the easiest way for your affiliates to protest to the proposals. Anyway, thanks a lot!

emails will be going out here in a few days at worst


we want to make it easy for them to click a link and type a few words as well as the canned response.

yeah thats the problem

the guy can be very nice etc and he may talk like if .xxx will be good for us but fact is that it won't

the domain is going to cost 70 bucks as compared to $7 for .com, that alone says what his motives are. These guys claim like they want to help the "Responsible part" of the adult industry to "self-regulate" (lol @ self) but thats total bullshit. They created IFFOR an organisation which they would never create if they didn't want to make money from the .xxx idea for the rest of their lives.

Now imagine this - .xxx becomes introduced, at the beginning it gets almost no websites under it (the people who are registering .xxx will be domain speculators and companies pretecting their trademarks) but later the US Congress makes .xxx mandatory..... or ..for example... VISA buys ICM bullshit arguments about "responsible self-regulation" etc and they say "from January 2009 we are going to process adult sites only under .xxx".

Now imagine how much traffic you will lose if all the offices block .xxx by default...

Look at this chart (remove the space after http)

http:// iffor.org/images/IFFOR_Org_Chart.gif

do you want such organisation to monitor your websites and tell you how to run your biz? :helpme

or worse. ICANN goes through and filters the .coms and just turns them off. Anything can happen and I don't trust anyone when money is a motivator.

My opinion about .XXX is neither here nor there. I'm not a big fan of 2257 either, but we invited the FBI to the conference as well. The fact is, there is a very real possibility that .XXX now has the votes to pass. Assuming it does, this is just another opportunity to get the people who will oversee it on the record about what they plan to do, and then hold them to it. I think that is important, because in a situation like this, ignorance is not bliss.

Damn, this is one show I wish I was attending..

Grow some fucking Balls Tom you should have an opinion you claim to speak for the people in this biz through XBiz and if you are going to make that claim you have to have an opinion and you damn well should.

If all you aspire to be is another lame ass sit on the fence publication we don't need it we have enough already. Even AVN has had the balls to step forth and say this is a bad idea.

Fuck you and your defeatist attitude you should be rallying us against .XXX not leading us to the fucking gas chambers.

Tom are you that naive that you think they are going to give straight answers when they haven't before.its not over til its over, for a industry publication its not very pro industry. Also 2257 is a very different beast and you know that, no one makes money off of 2257. What I figure was this choice was made above you and someone with a interest in this becoming a success. Whores its a industry of whores its so sad.

or maybe tom and xbiz got bought same way ICM tried to buy the FSC and would have been successful had Bill Lyon not intervened.

You might have a point there, makes you go hmmmm?

I have expressed my opinions many times, Mike, in many forums both public and private. You have no idea what I have done, so I suggest you chill out.

To use an allusion like the gas chambers is disgusting.

Guess what Tom I could care if you like it or not. I don't like your attitude that at this point we have to accept .XXX

You really want to do something productive make that little cock roach Lawley justify why he keeps trying to ram this down outr throat when we clearly do not want it.

Like I said grow some balls you say one thing and do another

It boils down to: First Lawley & Co. want our money for the .xxx domains, then congress prepares for the finishing blow.

Clever idea: Let webmasters dig their own graves and sell them 75$ shovels to do so.

EXACTLY shame to Tom and XBIZ for giving us a reach around

I don't expect anything. Nor do I believe I am naive. What 2257 and .XXX share is that one is an actual threat, the other a potential. I care less about the money than the threats. Here, I think it is important to work to mitigate the potential threat. That is what I have done and will continue to do.

Tom youd make a great politician you open your mouth and warm air comes out and doesnt say anything substantive. How much did it take for Lawley to buy Xbiz? 7-8 buckes per domain? That what they offered The FSC...

Oh bullshit , 2257 is a regulation , just like the corner drug store has to deal with government regulations and to have the government speak on how they are approaching this is very smart.xxx is a money making scheme that no one has really thought out how its going to hurt our industry. You know Tom its easy for you, you collect a paycheck, Mike and I dont so this can really hurt us when it wont affect you one way or another. Again I believe this was decided above your pay grade.

Since when was Lawley ever relevant to anyone?? He has nothing to offer other than lining his pockets (not forgetting a few others) and attempting to put a face of oh so good ideas for the adult industry in areas of child protection and any other righteous idea the ass can dream up.

There is NO "productive relationship" with .XXX domains or Lawley. Can someone send his ass back to the UK to his past history of fucked up companies? Thanks.

Meanwhile, the motivators in XBiz are excelling themselves at attempted asslicking with this cosy range of speakers, - heralded as "achievements" for this damned show. There is NO relationship with the DOJ, FBI or any law enforcement agency - they don't represent the adult industry or anyone in it - they enforce laws on behalf of the government and paid by taxpayers to do this. XBiz never did represent the "adult industry" tho Helmy may have had ambitions to do so by presenting a bullshit righteous face. I see that has not changed much.

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How many paces can you smell bullshit and hypocrisy Mike? :winkwink:

after 50 years in this world I can smell all the way from GA to whatever fucking hole Tom Hymes is currently wallowing in with his $$$ from Stuart Lawley

*LOL* It's not as though they were ever very subtle with the hypocrisy and righteous aims - more like a crocodile crawling out of the swamp to greet a chicken on the bank :pimp

But hey.. some of the human species have these predatory tendencies and a need to claim they represent an industry - usually due to an excess of greed buds :)

AMEN

But I'm but Im a chicken with big FUCKING BAT and I will use it....as Tom is learning

Very well said :thumbsup

Hehe :winkwink: And I'm a chicken with exhibitionist tendencies who likes to flash his ass and emit radioactive gasses - for as long as these gasses are needed.

Seriously, sure there are valid points in child protection and, even forgetting all laws, there is a responsiblity to make efforts to avoid access by children. You know all the possible mechanisms already. Changing domains into .XXX TLD's mean nothing - except to ICM who have a vested financial interest which is hardly an honorable basis to address child protection - it's more of child usage for profit than protection. Kinda pathetic and sad.

that it is webby very sad but isnt that typical....seems XBiz has learned from the christian right

im sure his room number will be made available to all...........

With all due respect, the time is now. If you delay it will be too late.

no one will do shit