Re: Kramer, THE TRUTH!
 

look I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but HONESTLY what did he do wrong.. before you jump on me, take 4 minutes and watch these two vids then come back and read on...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UomfLKQr57U <-- the "meltdown" with subtitles

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NsYWKSHwgy <-- the "aftermath" on CNN featuring an audience member telling his side (100% wrong) THAT is what the media said happened,

but for those of you who won't watch the vids here you go with the cliff notes..

Kramer: "50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a fork in your ass"
Black man "He said, 50 years ago you'd be hanging upside down from a tree"

Kramer: "they are going to arrest me for calling a black man a hahahahahaha"
Black man "he said, I have enough money to have you arrested hahahahahaha"

Kramer: "You see, there are still those words, those words, those words, (walks off the stage)
Black man: "it just got totally silent, it took all the air out of the room, he just dropped the mic and left the room, there was never i'm sorry no nothing"

Note the room was NEVER quiet, in fact the camera SHOWS lots of varios black people shouting "Cracker Ass Cracker" at Kramer, and a few actually starting to go tword the stage, THAT is when kramer left the stage.

bottom line imho it was THE MEDIA who has blown this out of whack, watch the two vids, compare for yourself and stop being such fucking sheep

-Loki-

(Insert flames of me being a racisit or whatever below)

They should have never been loaded on the boats.

the second link is actually:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NsYWKSHwgy0

I think he was trying to be like Bill Hicks and maybe play the "Political-Correctness" card. I didn't see him on Letterman though so I don't know what he gave as the reason to go off like that, but I'd assume he was just trying to be like Bill Hicks...

i thought kramer was black with his fro and addiction to kenny rogers chicken?:Oh crap

I'm buying Season 7 of Seinfeld tomorrow. Seinfeld plugged it on Letterman tonight.

My friend was there at the Laugh Factory. He told me every black person walked out.

A'ight..........

what ever, its all gonna die down soon

I thought his diatribe was great.

heckle a comedian? Michael Richards no less...fuck with the bull, get the horns.

i loved him in Problem Child...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGyYRJclRiA a side by side look at what REALLY happened, watch it, and pass it on.

but leave out the "ugly comments" lol

-Loki-

The media is blowing it up to a next level for sure.
Personally I dont care. He fucked himself over when he lost it.

i loved this guy

Why do lions in Africa lick their assholes?
To get the taste of negroids out of their mouth.

A bus load of negroids going to DC for the million coon march overturns on Texas road and negroids are thrown everywhere. A few minutes later a farmer driving his back hoe comes upon the accident and starts burying the bodies. Just as he is completing the job a Cop pulls up and asks "what happened here?" The farmer replies " I came upon this accident and started burying the bodies." Then the cop asks "Are you sure they were all dead?" The farmer answers, "Well some said they were still alive but you know how those negroids lie."

What do you do when you see a negroid crawling across your front lawn bleeding to death? Stop laughing and RE-LOAD!!!!!!

Whats the difference between a negroid and a picnic table? A picnic table can support itself.

What was missing from the Million Man March?
About a thousand miles of chain and an auctioneer!

Why shouldn't you throw rocks at a negroids driving by?
It could be your car!

OMG.......................:helpme

Kramer shouldn't have said that. However, it is not as big of a deal as the media makes it out to be IMO. He knows it was a terrible slur, he just got really mad and went nuclear. If Martin Lawrence had called a bunch of guys crackers as they got kicked out, would it have mattered? No. Would I still think Martin was funny? Yes.

EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD SHOULD READ THIS RACIST PIECE OF SHIT :mad:

baah-baah goes the little sheep

Hey, they loaded themselves on the boats... :2 cents:

I've met far more racist black people in my days that white :2 cents:

Ever watch BET? fuck em. Let them have the fat white women we don't want :1orglaugh

I was held down by the man once

He's from Denmark, those idiots that think they can say anything about anyone. Until the muslims own them and they start crying :1orglaugh

and you call ME a racist? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
you are both stupid AND racist, and you dont even know it yourself.

Your reply is only two lines, and call me a racist and make a racist yourself in the same two lines of text.

I'd been wondering why the CNN story didnt contain clips of Richards using the phrases that the interviewed man said he'd witnessed.

Whats still missing is the entire home video from before Richards went loco. If he was pissed off at a heckler, why aren't we being shown the heckler heckling? Only the aftermath?

Pretty fucked up regardless, but I'd like ot see what caused him to go off like that. Had he tried to shut the heckler up before he snapped? Usually people build up to the breaking point.

So what you are saying it you want the journalist to look at the facts, expose the truth and report the truth to the viewers?

but I thought journalist was only suppose to take information out of context and show the viewers their personal opinion spiced up with talking-points to boost the ratings

Well even our cars these days have chips so that accident investigators can review the data to see who was at fault before the accident. They can see if you tried to hit the brakes, or turn the steering wheel, or if your transmission broke and lots of other data. It doesnt just record the aftermath. So with a home video circulating of his entire act, why do we only see it from the beginning of his pissed off out of control rant instead of from the beginning of the tape? Or is that when someone pressed record?

I'm not just talking about CNN or television. We know they're not going to show the whole thing. But what about youtube or other internet file sharing sites? Did the video shooter upload the entire thing yet? Thats what I'd prefer to see for myself. I dont like spoon fed opinion. If the entire tape is not uploaded, it makes me question why not.

There was nothing wrong from the first tape, i could tell it was no big deal...

KRAMER RULES!!!

although I do agree with your statement that there could have been many reasons as to why he went 'nuts' on stage, the fact remained that he IS a comedian. And that heckling is part of the business - how many comedians have been thrown off stage by bottles thrown at them etc. but they certainly didn't reply in anger. What happened was the crowd showed Kramer as a bad comic - someone with little talent to make people laugh, and he hated that. So rather than face the truth, he went over the line.

Even comics who were there - agreed that no matter how bad the crowd gets, you simply do NOT cross a line. CNN and news alike are blowing this all out of proportion - but what is really at the center of all this - is a man who simply couldn't handle the truth being thrown at him, and he had a meltdown and fought back the only way he could based on his talent - in a weak hailstorm of poorly crafted remarks.

Ok well, the man couldnt handle the truth, what exact truth? Thats what I want.. the heckling! :)

I just want to hear it for myself, because NORMALLY people dont blow up like he clearly did until they're somehow broken. I want to see what made him break. I'm not disputing that he broke and lost it totally and that it was terribly done and full of rage and anger completely unworthy of a professional.

But I'd like to see the event unfold, not see a packaged for consumption news piece.

**beating dead horse**

we both agree on that one - what could make a person so angry - a professional who knows his words can make him and break him - would suddenly allow himself to melt down like that. There must have been a professional heckler - or MAYBE Jerry himself !! (yes I know it was a black man heckling, but it would be funny if it was Jerry doing it)

wow, well heres a few things..

to my knowledge (which is often wrong) the home footage is all the home footage, and was taken with a camera phone, the video was started when all the shit went down, so from what I understand from the ppl at TMX that footage is all there is.... however watch the CNN footage again, notice they use B/W footage from that club from that night in crystal clear quality, which means there IS a pro. tape out there, but bet your ass it will be mutilated b4 we see any of it.

secondly, please stop saying stupid shit like "meltdown" & "Lost it" there was nothing like that during the footage you have seen, what was shown was something that EVERY DECENT comic does, rythem in speaking (go watch anything from Carlin)

the underlying proof that there was NO loosing it or meltdown is the last words of the "meltdown"

"ohhh ohhh, it shocks you see, it shocks you, you see whats buried underneth you motherfuckers?"

how many people during a meltdown would bother to say something like that?

I got more but I feel that none of you really see what really happened, thanks to sheep mentality and the media whores.

-Loki-