Refferal programs and Nats, Serious question!
 

Ok lets assume a program was non Nats for a long time with a percentage program referral program.

Now that program decided to add in Nats and of course issue their own checks to the affiliates.

My question is did who referred who get transferred over as well?
If so can someone explain to me how it all works.

I ask cause I did notice a large slide in my ccbill merged referral check over the course of the past year and some.

normally nats will do an import of the data from the old system to the new system allow for no sales/commissioned webmasters to loose out on their earned cash.

Sounds like you are trying to get the webmasters to your new program. If they are promoting you, of course in an email if you ask to change codes you will easily have them re-join. If not, your still profiting.

I do not know Nats well at all.
I am not trying to get any webmasters to any program. I am speaking of other webmasters I have reffered to other programs over the years.

I would like to take your word on this and rest easy. Problem is you are very new here and have an insane post count. Have not had the chance to see if you know what you talk about or just post what you think is the issue.
No disprespect intended.

Hope some NATS guys see this and answer your question :)

morning bumpo.

Gotcha! Sorry was having a few last nite ;)

Ok, if they were using CCBILL, CCBILL will continue to payout automatically all the recurring income you make. Even if you keep referring that way, I know alot of marketers that can be weary of nats so they remain this way as to the reliability of the payment by a processor and not a partner program.

As blunt as that is, I hope that helps :D

Ok that part makes sense. Would you also know if Nats imports in the referal so new sales are also tracked and paid the refferal bonus as well?

Err wait, nats and ccbill still are sharing data.
So regardless of the change over, ccbill knows what affiliate made what new sale when done through a Nats link or am I wrong?

Damn I am so fucking confused.

In our case, we imported the referred affiliates from our former system into NATS, so our Webmasters are getting paid for those referred sales. All new sales are going through NATS now and we are paying out (not CCBill). CCBill still paying out on rebills from previous system (including any referral monies).

Was that an automatic import (default option) of data or did you have to do anything special?

This is a good question for some of the bigger programs that switched over, Porn Kings, FleshLight,etc.

We were NATS from day 1, so can't help you on complexity of switching over the information. It would take alot of due diligence on the part of the program to assure webmaster referrals are being credited for those referred affiliates. There will be a few affiliates that re-sign up to the program once the program switches over to NATS (or any new program), and most definately there will be a few referred ones in there.

It would really depend on the program and how their install was done. There's no way to even change referrals through the admin panel, so it would have to be done in the database.

Nothing automatic about it. We did this the right way: with a set of 3 eyes. I.T. and I went over the list and made sure the two matched up. There wasnt an automatic import when we did the move, anyway.

We redirected all the old link codes to the NATS codes, keeping everything intact and not having to require affiliate to resignup OR change link codes. I also monitor new signups, so if we have any new signups I compare with the current affiliates and advise them of their currently working account.

Can I get a straight forward for dummies answer please :helpme

This all dawned on me when I was checking some email and a sponsor had sent an email to all affiliates asking them to resign up with their Nats system, yet assured everyone their old ccbill links would still work.

Combined that with what I noticed in my spreadsheets. A decline in my referral based merged ccbill check over the past year plus. Yet I know most of those affiliates are still around and I also know that the programs are still in place (for the most part).

Of couse still nothing.

I guess 5-10% doesnt matter much eh?

this will not die without an answer.

this will not die without an answer.

Good question!

Seems webmaster referral questions often go unanswered.

My view, if a sponsor changes stats pacakge they are liable and should make sure ALL webmaster referral data is imported into new stats package even if that means some manual DB work.

If a sponsor states 5-10% webmaster referral commission then that sponsor should pay that, no excusues.... no exceptions... for as long as the referred affiliate makes sales... it's very simple really... if you don't then you have just ripped a webmaster off... .period. Same as not paying out on a normal join! * unless your terms state some crap like "we may cancel all your referrals if we decide to change stats packages and can't be bothered to import the data/or for any other reason we decide on any given day".

After shock should get some answers...... hell, I want to know who's honest aswell.

PS please do not make me find some sig whores to keep this bumped. I will do it.

Besides this thread brought out a serious lurker and had them post. Come on look at his stats.

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Good question. I assume the answer is that the majority of the time, one's referred affiliates are not transferred over. Will a sponsor actually come out and say that? No, hence this thread will die without a straight answer.

As aspwm stated though, it is a manual process, so I doubt many sponsors would actually make the effort to manually transfer over all referred affiliates.

bump 4 answer im curious myself

another bump...because thise has made me curious....

Unfortunately I fear you are correct and that's a big problem.

I don't want to bash sponsors and won't, but would appreciate some honest answers from any sponsors willing to participate in this thread...

I can be relentless about this. Please do not doubt that. I can make sure this thread makes it to page 1 each day until I get some good answers, with either bad or good news.

It is not the weekend. People should be back from any show. Someone must have a clear answer.

This looks like something NATS is avoiding. What is the situation with all the other affiliate programs?

I would say the best thing to do is to hand check them all, especially and first those earning money from referring affiliates.

Bump for a good cause:2 cents: :helpme

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Well if you want the real answer, odds are it has not been done with ________ (insert your ccbill gone NATS program here), and you are losing out on your old referral comission. It is completely possible, but requires some extra work so I doubt anyone has actually done it.

Btw ASM feel free to pick my brain on NATS related matters, I've only setup 25 programs or so...

sponsors probably don`t care

LOL true.... well you asked a damn good question:thumbsup ,
generally it's pretty hard to find quality biz threads and
it kind of relates to a planned project.

This one.... going to be very interesting where it leads.....

If you or anyone else could answer a questions I posted regarding how nats reports webmaster referrals in stats it would be appreciated (have never used a nats sponsor).
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/654120-nats-webmaster-referral-stats.html

3 rd post in 1 thread..... that's a record in itself for me :winkwink:

Diddnt fleshlight have all there shit transfred over

We didn't have CCBill or Refferals before moving to NATS, so I can't help you... except for a bump.

who bumped what when where?

Its a good question, just not directed at the right ppl. You need to talk to the affiliate program in question. I gave you our stance and how we managed it. Obviously, if they asked you to resignup to their NATS system, they didnt go about it the same way.

Thanks everyone for posting so far.

aspwn posting about it here is perfectly fine. Enough programs that made the switch over and even Nats posts and reads here. Besides if I do it in private it does not benefit everyone and it should since there is a chance lots are effected.

I have been sending referrals for nearly a decade. Like expected most stayed small and or left the business, yet every dog has his day and I had several over the course of that time and snagged a few large senders.

Though I am not bitching about no 200.00+ or 300.00+ a week either. Yet I still would even if it was only an extra 30.00.

So it is another day and time for me to keep this on page 1.

No, by all means post here, Im just curious as to who it is since you seem to have been short-sided on some of your monies. So are you asking in general, who has moved referral information to their new systems?

In any case, bump fo chu.

I am not going to single out any single program. So I am keeping this general. Saying so and so would be down right mean, unless of course it said somewhere in the Nats manual "this is how you transfer referred affiliate info from...into Nats". Since it very well could be an honest oversight.

Plus this is not individual ccbill checks etc. I merged that long ago just for referrals only. I also notice I do not receive any strange company drawn checks from programs I am not actively promoting. I just never put two and two together and that was my bad.