A jewish solution to the middle east conflict
 

Not sure if any of you watch the "daily show" with john stewart , but he proposed a pretty good idea to the middle east conflict

Some of the main objectives of either side is fair access to the religious sites they find signifigant ( and other religions as well )

so anyways he proposed an "international" area , sort of a bufferzone in israel.palestine gets its own state and israel is buffered by the "international" area, EVERYONE can access the religious sites as they please, christians , muslim , jews , etc..

It wont solve all the problems but its fair enough that anyone who continues to whine is racially motivated or just evil...

jon stewart is awesome.;..i try to watch him each night

How is the core issue not racially motivated? Radical Islamists do not accept the existence if Israel, Jews are considered sub-human demons and they want to kill them all - there is no compromise or intelligent discussion on this point.

so your solution would be to kill them all?

Thank you for placing those words in my mouth.

I dont think their is a solution.. an entire generation has been raised on all-penetrating hate propaganda directed towards Jews and the West, especially by groups like Hezbollah and Hamas and in Iran.

I love Jon's show, pretty good most days. :thumbsup

What kills me about the whole 'sharing religious' things in that area of the world make no sense to me.

Muslims = Friday afternoon worship
Jews = Friday night through Saturday night
Christians = Sunday

There isn't even really a scheduling conflict! WTF

:pimp

lol:1orglaugh

radicals are only powerfull if the people back them. if the people are appeased they no longer follow the radicals.. there will always be radicals on both sides, as long as nobody listens to them we will be fine.

The reason ppl hate jews is cuz htey killed jesus and also muslims don not like them for that same reason cuz htey also aknowlge jesus as a profet in islam and christianty and islam are very closely related only diff is that in islam there was anotehr profet who cmae after jesus and its mohamed. and reason why bible and the muslim book were sent to ppl by god is to confirm that the first book torah sent was not correct becasue jewsish were changing their religous book as they pleased so thats y ppl think jewish ar condemed by god for the jesus deth and for the changed made to the book sent by god. and als ppl shold not hate anyone because hezbollah is a terrorist group just liek alquaeda and htey have jews christians and mouslim in these organizations. Every religion has psycho mother fuckers thinking they are right but even koran states that only the real enemy is the jewsish for the things htey did to condem them and it mentions that christians and muslims are closley related nad should never be enemies and besides if u ppl really wanna coment read all 3 books and u will relize that they all sound very familiar.

Hey! Don't try to make sense. It will be lost on over 90% of the members here.

oh, ok. phew.. I dont know why I was worried then.. as long as no one listens to them we're ok.

Although - small children are taught in school to hate Jews and watch anti-semitic cartoons on TV - how do you get the children not to listen and absorb that?

I know, Im a sucker for punishment :(

Reason states is hated is because they stick their nose everywhere. no ned to go to middle east they can deal with their own problems. USA did a good thing in bosnia they stoped muslims and christians and jews form being eliminated by ortodox in yugoslavia so i can say thank you bill clinton if he was still the prez things would be diff bush is just lloking for revenge when his father got ass raped in iraq and north korea and vietnam

That's an interesting statement.

In Islamic communities, these 'radicals' as you call them, have enormous support. Why do you think this is? (I know the answer, I just want to see how ignorant the reply to this question will be from one of the GFY geniuses.)

Awaiting the appearance of Serge & the "kill their parents" reply.

:winkwink: :warning

You're a fucking genius dude. I've contacted Oxford University - they want you to take up an honourary position in their political reality department.

Dammit I didn't get this in the 'edit time window' fast enough:






But for real, the only thing I could think of is get the generation above them to quit pushing that shit...how is that done? Slowly........ over time. Culture is historically bound and is as easy as taking a aircraft carrier down a fast/steep slalom course.

Education, economic opportunity, etc...

Sociology 101 sniplet = heat + bad economics = crime and general bad shit

Sounds a bit like the middle east...couple that with a very intolerant cultural viewpoint and viola, we have a shitspring in the world based on this conflict in a relatively small region.

sound fine and dandy but as mentioned before... the radicals do not want to except the existance of a jewish state and have that state near the third holiest site in islam. the dome of the rock where mohammed the prophet ascended into heaven as a live being.

shit its been since 1948 when un allowed the creation of the state of israel yet few countries accept that israel exists as a nation. In fact... most countries keep their embasseys in tel aviv instead of jersuelem, why, keep arab outcry low. Even the catholic church has its embassey in jaffa. Kinda odd considering that the holiest site on the planet for christians and catholics is jersuelem which is 1 hour away.

Having international buffer zone is only a temporary answer. Otherwise its a huge waste of tax people for world people. Case in point.. cyprus.. the turks and greeks still having formally accepted the border that divides the island.. so since 1974 the Unitied nations has been footing the bill for having troops patrol the green line daily. Canada was the first nation to supply troops to keep the peace, and pulled troops out in the 90s. Why, nobody really cared, the two warring nations could not be bothered to talk to each other and settle the deal. Yet .. un troops are still there, and the un pays 100k per soldier per month.

Giving the arabs there own land? well the isrealis did... they got gaza and the west bank which were theirs back in 67 before the 67 war and israel occupied it once, the arab forces lost the war.
basically, the arabs want the whole country, the water rights and what ever else they can claim as theirs.

"brother shall rise against brother,
kingdom against kindgom, nation against nation,
there shall always be war and rumor of war,"

jesus christ.



so even back then, when there was peace.. someone realized that the writing was on the wall and they were not going to get along

Yeah I saw that. Funny to hear someone say something rational on TV, seems very out of place. Most of what you hear is advocating WW3 and/or genocide, so to hear someone on television talk about a reasonable plan of peace is a breath of fresh air. Too bad it's a comedian, and not a member of the Presidential administration. Their plan seems to be basically let Israel kill people until they feel they have proven their point. I didn't have much to do and I was actually thinking about going to watch the taping of the daily show yesterday, but it was way to fucking hot to wait outside for a couple hours with a bunch of tourists. Ended up getting Yanks tickets instead.

What did he basically suggest; making Jerusalem an international city to which everyone has equal access, making an internationally monitored buffer zone on Israel's borders, and giving Palestine a reasonable area for their country, including "access to water", lol. That would be a pretty good fucking start.

Too bad the only country that could begin to develop a plan like that, the US, is run by a bunch of neo-con chickenhawk maniacs who would rather see a massive war as long as Israel comes out with a bunch of additional land.

Maybe we'll elect a rational, middle of the road government in 2008 that will attempt to work towards real peace. lmfao, just kidding.

when did george bush senior got ass raped in iraq?
or north korean?

but you really have to explain the relationship between bush senior and vietnam?


explain the facts to me ... cause this i have to hear.

Yes but that thinking rationally.. in the middle east they don't think rationally it's only one extreme or the other.

So your solution isn't to kill them all. It's simply endless war.

Funny how you mention attitudes that radical Arabs hold against Jews, but leave out the attitudes Jews have towards Arabs. Obviously you are either a Jew who doesn't like to admit the truth, or you aren't and you don't really understand that it completely, works both ways. Jews are educated by Rabbis who preach hatred of Muslims the same way the radical Islamists preach hatred of Jews, even here in the US. I remember going to bar mitzvahs of my friends and hearing crazy shit; Arabs are subhuman, must be killed to protect the holy land, etc etc. Real insane shit that the parents or Jewish kids didn't seem surprised by at all.

This doesn't mean the US and the international community can't force feed peace down their throats if we really wanted to. Basically Israel is a proxy army for the US, they can't do anything we tell them not to.

Hezbollah and Hamas would have no reason to continue attacking Israel if the occupation of their land was ended and their countries were giving reasonable chances for independence. These people aren't maniacs who kill Jews because they're crazy, they're resistance groups who fight back against what they consider illegitimate repression. They don't suicide bomb themselves for no particular reason.

/me hands you a stamp to lick and a cup of KOOLaide....

it'll be as much fun

This is a critical point that is lost on most people. We sit here and have intelligent debate about the issues, and talk about solutions, root causes, etc.. I can assure you, that this does not happen amongst the general population in the arab world.

Yes, there are academics and educated people like anywhere else, and like anywhere else they are a minority. But unlike here there exists another very influential minority - the violent, radical minority - that is hell-bent on death and killing. It brings this message to the streets and the mosques through the bastardization of Islam; the perversion of the Jihad concept to brainwash vulnerable members of the populace to hate Jews and the West to serve their (the fundamentalists) own selfish goals

I disagree with this point. Hezbollah and Hamas will never stop attacking Israel - they exist solely for the destruction of Israel.

And yes, someone who blows themself up in a cafe in Tel Aviv is completely insane. There is no rational thinking human on earth who would blow themself up unless they were under extreme mental distress either caused by mental dysfunction or systematic brainwashing.

If you think that rational people blow themselves up to kill other people - then there is no hope for mankind.

Also, Im not jewish.

if you want to know where the hate between jews and muslims comes from?
And this was told to me by the head mullah of saudi arabia back in 96.

Mohammed the prophet was poor, hunger, had nothing only his cloak...
he saw a man with basket full of bread, and dates. Mohammed ask the man for some, and the man refused to give the food as it was for his family at the temple. Mohammed then was anger, never forgot this. He later decreed that feeding the hungry and the poor are religious obligations, in fact one of five pillars of faith for all muslims.

later on, at place called koraith ( spelling is wrong) its said that mohammed himself killed 600 jews in one day and the streets ran red with their blood.

and the rest is ongoing

the keyword there being israel not "jews" because israel contains many more religious sites than just jewish, if israel no longer existed like it does today things might be different..
prob the mntal distress of being trapped in a country with no passport no land and your children being slaughtered daily.. it might affect you a tad... certainly not rational thinking but its not like its a mystery..

if your whole stance is that all muslims want all jews dead and wont settle for less , then your only solution would be to kill them all. and thats genocide , your no better than hitler was..

Wrong. The mistake us Westerners often make is to judge them by our own standards. To a true Muslim, there is nothing irrational about killing infidels and dying in the process.

And by "true muslim", you mean "fundamentalist muslim", right?

now... inernesto is right... to a degree...

the islam religion does recognize all three religions.
the people had not accepted the single god concept, and forsaken the supreme being by saying that everything was a god.. they scarficed animals to stones, paid hommage to trees, to statues...
so god send moses..
mose was to teach the people that they must paid hommage to one god only.
in fact, at one point the jews forgot about that, made the golden calf and worshipped it instead.. thus the jewish people wandered the desert for 40 years before arriving to the promised land.
then the people devoted themselves to god.. but ignored the social responsibilities of being people..
so god sent jesus..
god wanted men to love each other as they love god..
well... mankind went to the other end... they loved each other to much and ended up forgetting about god again.

so god sent mohammed to teach people that they must learn to find the middle as he was not sending anymore prophets to help us understand..otherwise if we cannot get it right.. he was calling in the loan

That is where I believe you are wrong. What do you base this on? Things you have heard on TV? Your first statement is completely false, the destruction of Israel is not the reason these groups exists. They are legitimate resistance groups, who use illegitimate methods, including religion as a recruitment tool and suicide bombing civilian targets. They only exists because of unfair treatment. If you kill everyone who is a member of both groups, and then continue treating people unfairly, other groups will replace them immediately.

I can understand why people blow themselves up in order to do what they believe is defending their homeland and their people. The Japanese did the exact same thing to our naval ships in WWII, don't forget that. They're not subhuman, they are desperate. There's not much different between being a Kamikaze pilot, a Hamas suicide bomber, or being the first man over the line in WWI. They're all suicide missions, and hundreds of people lined up in each case. Terrorism is simply a military tactic, it's not what we're fighting against.

Sadly this seems to be the mindset of the majority of people in this country. Not to mention, everyone on TV beside Jon Stewart.

I've never seen democract and republican leaders so united on any one issue in my lifetime. Israel = always good, Muslims = always evil. We need a third party that doesn't take money from anyone except for individual $50 max donations.

the biggest thing to understand about islam... and death.. its a reward..
life is the hardship.. the biggest test of faith..
so to a muslim.. dying means that if you follow the faith to the letter you will be rewarded and go to paradise.. where there is water, green gardens, and no hardship.

to a muslim.. dying is like drinking tea... its not a concern.

hence the endless supply of human bombs

You have that completely backwards. We don't judge ourselves by the standards we judge enemies. They are not allowed to kill for political gain, we are. When they kill civilians it's atrocious, when we do it, it's collateral damage. This has been our attitude since the beginning of last century.

i am still waiting to hear how george bush senior was ass raped in viet nam??

Did you put words that I never wrote or implied to try and fucking call me a nazi?

Fucking pathetic.

i didnt claim nor did i imply you did say that thats why it has my name above it not yours.. glad you can understand how a forum works.. its pretty pathetic it took you this long..

What Im saying is that by writing that in your reply you are trying to put words in my mouth - to extrapolate my comments and make assumptions about what I believe; to twist around the discussion just so you can throw around the word 'hitler' (because we all know you love dramaztic, sensational language.. say "Baby killing" one more time...) and bring a nazi theme to the thread.

i realise this , thats why i was pointing out where you were wrong. had i intended to put words in your mouth i would have said " dollarman said" or "dollar man says" but i didnt . posed a question for which you dont seem to have the balls to reply to .. instead you want to quibble over the wording when we all know exactly what i meant , and we all know exactly what your trying to insinuate , and its wrong and im telling you its wrong.. dont wanna hear "baby killers" anymore ? i suggest you work on a solution for the babies being killed then i wont have to mention it.. gee not a hard concept . dont kill babies. if you have to argue about baby killing and how justified it is , i suggest you have some emotional issues you need to deal with first before you try dealing with them in a forum .. in a thread about solutions you sure do alot of bitching about wording.. you should instead focus on the topic of the thread and why its right or why its wrong, than trying to label me as an anti-semite with jewish blood and jewish friends because you dont want to argue the topics at hand.. if you cant deal with people rationally you might wanna try talking into a tape recorder and playing it back for yourself to listen to. because listening to other and responsing rationally doesnt seem to be your strong point so far.

so lets get back to the topic at hand , you seem to think i think your a nazi. nothing could be further from the truth, i dont believe your a nazi nor was i trying to insinuate you are * READERS TAKE NOTE DOLLARMAN IS NOT A NAZI * , the issue was if you label all muslims as bad because of a minority viewpoint held by some muslims , and if you do and the only solution is to kill them , then thats exactly what hitler thought was the solution to the jews ( and that didnt end very well for either side )

So should we sit back and let another genocide happen until they are nearly wiped out then inavde israel and give some land from the christians to the muslims as a muslim state ? i personally dont think following the mistakes of our predecesors is a very smart idea..

where is the bush and vietnam explaination?