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StuartD 07-13-2006 07:42 PM

So what happens if the US is needed in Iraq, Iran, N. Korea and back home?
 
If everything plays out as some people expect... could the US get spread too thin?? How much can the US handle all at one time and not be vulnerable?

teksonline 07-13-2006 07:43 PM

we already are spread too thin but we are not just stationed in USA, so no need to worry :)

Sly 07-13-2006 07:47 PM

In which scenario would our military be needed at home? Are you guys up North sick of us taking your celebrities?

Beejeebers 07-13-2006 07:49 PM

Our celebrities will never get tired of taking your money and jobs. :)

StuartD 07-13-2006 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly
In which scenario would our military be needed at home? Are you guys up North sick of us taking your celebrities?

Well, let's say that the US ends up in Iraq, Iran and N. Korea... leaving very little at home.

I'm not a strategist but it seems to me that if I was one of those countries, or a 3rd party who wishes harm to the US.... that would make for a prime moment of attack.

Sly 07-13-2006 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD
Well, let's say that the US ends up in Iraq, Iran and N. Korea... leaving very little at home.

I'm not a strategist but it seems to me that if I was one of those countries, or a 3rd party who wishes harm to the US.... that would make for a prime moment of attack.

Well, maybe. I don't see either of those 3 doing much to our soil though. And if anything happens with Iran and North Korea I doubt we would be the only ones fighting, those two have the world on alert right now.

AtlantisCash 07-13-2006 07:53 PM

us won't stop i thing, because everybody knows that fucking big middle east or great Middle east Project...

StuartD 07-13-2006 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly
Well, maybe. I don't see either of those 3 doing much to our soil though. And if anything happens with Iran and North Korea I doubt we would be the only ones fighting, those two have the world on alert right now.

That's for sure, Japan's just itching... but still, I think that with the whole "war on terror" thing going on, there are small'ish groups just waiting for the chance to do some damage to the US.

I just think that the US being out over seas so much just leaves a vulnerability that can't be ignored.

pussyluver 07-13-2006 07:58 PM

Perhaps there are some secret weapons?

At some point the President would have to exercise the nuclear option. Depends on what China and Russia do.

The attack your thinking of would be along the lines of a terrorist attack I assume. A full out nuclear war could only be with Russia or China.

Sly 07-13-2006 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD
That's for sure, Japan's just itching... but still, I think that with the whole "war on terror" thing going on, there are small'ish groups just waiting for the chance to do some damage to the US.

I just think that the US being out over seas so much just leaves a vulnerability that can't be ignored.

Which I would assume is why we now have a Department of Homeland Security. :-) I'm sure them and the CIA are busy as fuck these days.

WarChild 07-13-2006 08:02 PM

With the US already based in Iraq and South Korea, nothing suggests there would be any need for boots on the ground in either North Korea or Iran. Think airstrikes not invasion.

sumphatpimp 07-13-2006 08:05 PM

conscription in your county fool

AmateurFlix 07-13-2006 08:09 PM

they'd either introduce the draft or pull out of areas that aren't of immediate importance for defense such as Iraq and move the troops elsewhere - most likely the latter

Mr. Soul 07-13-2006 08:13 PM

There's no way our military would let the administration start two more wars. They've already told them no to Iran. Let alone Iran AND North Korea. Taking on those two countries simultaneously would be impossible, without Russia and/or China fighting alongside us, which will never happen. The neo-cons would love to go to war with Iran. If you think Bush's sudden "diplomacy" has arrived because he learned something, you're kidding yourself. The military brass has more power in this country than some realize, and they know that fighting Iran would be stupid... that's why they'll letting Israel start the Iran war.

That being said, if we do let Israel pull us into a war with Iran right now, we would need a full military draft to even attempt to control the ground.

I know, people who watch Fox will say, 'we don't need ground troops in Iran, we'll just bomb them back to the stone age'. That's also what the stupid people said when we started bombing Vietnam. It doesn't work that way against a country with solid air defenses, especially ones with difficult topography, and Iran has both. Ask any militart commander, you need ground support.



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Originally Posted by Sly
In which scenario would our military be needed at home? Are you guys up North sick of us taking your celebrities?


Civil disorder. Which would no doubt be out of control if this administration got us into two more major wars. I know you're young, but watch some documentaries about America during the Vietnam war. We need troops at home to kill dissidents.

12clicks 07-13-2006 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD
Well, let's say that the US ends up in Iraq, Iran and N. Korea... leaving very little at home.

I'm not a strategist but it seems to me that if I was one of those countries, or a 3rd party who wishes harm to the US.... that would make for a prime moment of attack.

uh, we're not canada.
If someone attacked the US, 1/2 the population would be killing the invader while the other half would be running to the millitary bases for more ammo.:winkwink:

Mr. Soul 07-13-2006 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
they'd either introduce the draft or pull out of areas that aren't of immediate importance for defense such as Iraq and move the troops elsewhere - most likely the latter


What? I thought us being in Iraq was the difference between peace and nuclear holocaust? You're not calling the vice president a liar, are you?

BusterBunny 07-13-2006 08:53 PM

israel is fighting everyone for us we are on vacation:upsidedow

ColourMeHuman 07-13-2006 08:58 PM

Totally agree! you sound very informed!

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
There's no way our military would let the administration start two more wars. They've already told them no to Iran. Let alone Iran AND North Korea. Taking on those two countries simultaneously would be impossible, without Russia and/or China fighting alongside us, which will never happen. The neo-cons would love to go to war with Iran. If you think Bush's sudden "diplomacy" has arrived because he learned something, you're kidding yourself. The military brass has more power in this country than some realize, and they know that fighting Iran would be stupid... that's why they'll letting Israel start the Iran war.

That being said, if we do let Israel pull us into a war with Iran right now, we would need a full military draft to even attempt to control the ground.

I know, people who watch Fox will say, 'we don't need ground troops in Iran, we'll just bomb them back to the stone age'. That's also what the stupid people said when we started bombing Vietnam. It doesn't work that way against a country with solid air defenses, especially ones with difficult topography, and Iran has both. Ask any militart commander, you need ground support.






Civil disorder. Which would no doubt be out of control if this administration got us into two more major wars. I know you're young, but watch some documentaries about America during the Vietnam war. We need troops at home to kill dissidents.


Mr. Soul 07-13-2006 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks
uh, we're not canada.
If someone attacked the US, 1/2 the population would be killing the invader while the other half would be running to the millitary bases for more ammo.:winkwink:


Citizens attacking an invading army, isn't that what you call terrorism? Wouldn't we all be terrorists like Zakarias Moussaoui if we fought back against foriegn troops trying to control our country? Using your logic aren't we required to let them take our resources while throwing flowers at their feet?

Jokes aside, you give the average American way too much credit. Over half the country can't run anywhere. The only people who would be really capable of fighting back would be the right wing militias. Hard to say if they'd even fight, most of them are against the US government big time.

I don't think any invasion of the US would be possible, mainly because of our geographical advantage and our superior navy and air force, but who knows what would happen if we tried to fight two or three major wars simultaneously. The Germans had plans to take New York and Boston during WWI.

pussyluver 07-13-2006 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks
uh, we're not canada.
If someone attacked the US, 1/2 the population would be killing the invader while the other half would be running to the millitary bases for more ammo.:winkwink:

Most US citizens are armed.

Doctor Dre 07-13-2006 09:07 PM

This is where a conscription comes into play

pussyluver 07-13-2006 09:10 PM

Even Walmart sells ammunition in the US. Then their is K-Mart, Bass-Pro and many more.

czarina 07-13-2006 09:10 PM

Can we at this time properly handle multiple battle fronts?

pornguy 07-13-2006 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD
If everything plays out as some people expect... could the US get spread too thin?? How much can the US handle all at one time and not be vulnerable?


The US can draft probably a million or more.

cellmoresmut 07-13-2006 09:21 PM

We'll send George W to N Korea, Condoleeza to Iran, and Chaney to Iraq..

in otherwords we're screwed.

Martin 07-13-2006 09:21 PM

Draft time.

AmateurFlix 07-13-2006 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
The only people who would be really capable of fighting back would be the right wing militias.

... and hundreds of millions of others with firearms. Armed civilians here would greatly outnumber any possible invading force.

Grapesoda 07-13-2006 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD
Well, let's say that the US ends up in Iraq, Iran and N. Korea... leaving very little at home.

I'm not a strategist but it seems to me that if I was one of those countries, or a 3rd party who wishes harm to the US.... that would make for a prime moment of attack.


the middle east is acting out right now becuase they asume we are spred to thin but more importantly because russia and china are not sining the same song . . n korea is upset because he's not the COI on the globe . . china will take care of NK and russia/china will eventually get sick of the crap in the mideast and we'll all do something . .

blazi 07-13-2006 09:44 PM

fuckin' politics!! everyone should just smoke a joint and fuck off with all the hate!! yes I'm a 70's child hehe

Mr. Soul 07-13-2006 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
... and hundreds of millions of others with firearms. Armed civilians here would greatly outnumber any possible invading force.


So do people in Iraq, there are 20 million people there and something like 60% have an AK47. There's a big difference between being armed and knowing how to fight against a trained army. I don't know about you, but personally I wouldn't want to count on unorganized fat guys taking pot shots with hunting rifles to defend our country. We don't even have rocket launchers. Our guns wouldn't do shit against tanks and armoured troop carriers.

NickB. 07-13-2006 10:04 PM

US will get help rather not see war at all though

NickB. 07-13-2006 10:05 PM

US will get help rather not see war at all though

MattK 07-13-2006 10:07 PM

US Military will use Nukes and/or Draft in the next few years :2 cents:

AmateurFlix 07-13-2006 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
So do people in Iraq, there are 20 million people there and something like 60% have an AK47. There's a big difference between being armed and knowing how to fight against a trained army. I don't know about you, but personally I wouldn't want to count on unorganized fat guys taking pot shots with hunting rifles to defend our country. We don't even have rocket launchers. Our guns wouldn't do shit against tanks and armoured troop carriers.

well the last time I checked our country was remarkably unsuccessful in controlling Iraq, and a good number of the population there did NOT support the ruling government at the time of the invasion and pretty much let our troops in... you're comparing apples and oranges.

Most people here would not welcome an invading force, do support the government, and would be willing to defend the lands. "Fat guys taking pot shots with hunting rifles" would also be known as snipers if they were wearing a uniform :2 cents:

Waveu6410 07-13-2006 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks
uh, we're not canada.
If someone attacked the US, 1/2 the population would be killing the invader while the other half would be running to the millitary bases for more ammo.:winkwink:

yes exactly.

we are a armed nation that would be really hard to invade.

to get us it would have to be nuclear.

SoniqHost 07-13-2006 10:23 PM

I believe I read that we have our military in some level in 130 countries across the world so I don't believe we are spread too thin, as for North Korea and Iran, North Korea doesn't want a war with the US, the want a payday from us, they can't afford a war. As for Iran, we can win a war against them without putting a boots on the ground and that is through a blockade, Iran imports the majority of its goods, they import 60% of their countries gasoline usage they need imports if we block imports from coming into to Iran it would only be a matter of months before their country would fall apart without US soldiers on the ground.

jollyperv 07-13-2006 10:26 PM

There's no fucking way they'd ever reinstate the military draft. It's just not going to happen.

Mr. Blue 07-13-2006 11:06 PM

First, I don't think it's all going to go to hell at once and people are jumping the gun on this WWIII thing. Also, because America went with few allies into Iraq, doesn't mean they'd be alone in other conflicts.

Global economy my friends...the health of the U.S. economy is vital to the world and there would come a point where other countries would either have to back the U.S. or possibly face financial ruin. China, Japan, Russia, etc, etc, etc, are all heavily invested in the USD and could face economic collapse if the U.S. really got fucked.

So, there would come a point where U.S. would have allies to handle these conflicts.

cmos 07-13-2006 11:23 PM

UK places their troops in the US to protect it ofcourse.

Webby 07-13-2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cmos
UK places their troops in the US to protect it ofcourse.

DUH?? I'll let them know - they may have four to spare :pimp


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