Content producers how do you prevent the waffle?
 

Fucking girls man. I set things up and it takes a few weeks to hammer out the bugs. The chick is there on the same page then she fucks off! Never to be heard from again. I politely ask whats going on. I try calling them, nothing. I e-mail nothing. Gone... poof! Never to be seen again. How do you prevent this from happening? There must be a key phrase to tell these girls in order to get them to the shoot. For fucks, sake, it's driving me mental. I offer cash at the end of the shoot, we pick a day and location and still same thing. No show, gone.

Do you have to trick them or be totally honest with them. I never lie, maybe I should. Do I need a website to display the work or will that scare them away? Do I want to scare them away beforehand and spell it all out for them? How can I tell which girls are actually going to show and which are going to fuck you.

Most models flake. Fact of shooting.

Book as close to the shoot as possible, pick their asses up if you can, stay friendly with agents if you use them, and try to avoid those with boyfriends or suitcase pimps. Oh yeah strippers really suck.

Corn, Frosted, whatever...the ALL flake unless you get a miracle!
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I was thinking going to them is the trick I haven't learned yet. Trying to get them to come to us because we have locations. Everytime I ask no one has a place to shoot so we try to get them here.

Even with locations you can still pick them up.
This will help by about 10%.

yup about 95% of them flake

about a month ago I had 3 girls lined up to do a shoot for me and all of them fucking flaked out on me

rather sad.
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Will my e-mail sig help lol


ICQ 212-072-421
Christopher Corn - Website Content Producer

'Dont book if you're going to flake out on me, and if you're flaking me out, fill me in, I wont flake out' **wink*

custom content shooter experience a 80%-90% no show on test shoots, 99% on black models here in LA and other parts of the country as well . .. I know shooters all over the USA and these are the numbers we've all agreed on.

on shoot custom content shoots look at average 40% no-shows and going upwards of 85% if you book more shoots and more models to compensate the average 40% loss

on the more expensive models from the higher priced agencies you might get a little lower % of shoot failure however these agencies substitute models and this is not an option for custom exclusive shooters . .

this is just part of the territory of custom shooting in America . . . and it does NOT matter how much $$ is on the table . . a model will flake on a $2,000 fee just as readily as a $200 fee

Yup agree with Wanton, unless of course you supply the drugs. Ok Im kidding.

Try and shoot at least 20 to 30 sets of her when you first get hold of her.

That's friggen terrible. Humm, time to brain storm a better method. Custom content is a drag.

once the word is out from referrals that you are ok, the girls are there waiting for you.

i think lots of guys don't know how to talk to girls, or hassle them on the shoot. stay all biz. chicks are wise to the so-called "content shooter" who really is an amateur just trying to get laid or fondle a chick.

ain't cool, and if the girl senses it she probably won't show. if you pay right, are all biz, treat the girls with respect, make them think they are beautiful, they ALWAYS show up.

yes you do.

and you should have a private link that the models can click to with examples of exactly what they will be doing.

you're very wrong on everything you've posted to be very honest about it . . . you are not a content shooter and that's a fact, best stop trying to give advice on something you have no idea about at all. bmb

Where the fuck are you shooting at? I really would love to know. Out of curiosity did a midget greet you when you got off the plane after landing on an island somewhere? :)

sounds like my average date!!

you are on the good stuff i see!

there is NO solution to models flaking - has nothing to do with anything about you or money or anything - girls at that age have their own agendas and the agenda changes every day, sometimes by the hour - if you fit in with it on a particular day and the stars are aligned right she'll show up. actually money is the one thing that will work - but they have to be absolutely desperate for it.

Chris, where are you located?

I'll work for you, depending on what you shoot. I don't flake. It's a job and we all want to get paid. I can't understand why a model would fail to show up to a paid shoot. They've got to be too young, too scared, too shy, or just plain unprofessional.

I'm located just outside of Toronto, Ontario.

Give them $100 to show up nude at a family reunion and masturbate on the buffet table. If they do that they'll probably show up for the shoot.

Looks like you'd be a blast to work with!

damn...you're in canada. that may present a problem. if you ever come down to atlanta, hit me up.

Yep. That shit happens to the best of us. Especially girls who haven't been photographed nude before. I have a few of them flake. I had a camera man who I had to pay $200 for a shoot that never happened. Not cool.

avoiding flakes is all in the casting - you will see signs of flakedom in the interview - you have to talk to the girl eye to eye

ROFL :1orglaugh !!

Flaking is just part of the game- its gonna happen a certain portion of the time.. just does.

One of the best ways to get a girl to be there is to dangle the most money you can.. try to book her for multiple shoots/jobs on the same day to increase the enticement.

Make it worth her rolling out of bed.. eh or stumbling in from an allnighter

flaky models suck

Some of the shit you people deal with just floors me. Yes, you are always going to have a certain percentage of flakes but the better you treat the models the lower that number will be. If I had the percentage of flakes that Wanton says he has, I think I would take a good hard look at myself and try to figure out WTF I was doing wrong.

I have MAYBE a 15% flake rate on interviews and test shoots and way less than that on paid shoots.

I don't use agents and as of 2 weeks ago I stopped advertising in the local papers. I recruit them personally, online, or they are referred by other models these days. I've found that models who reply to print ads or who come from agents are more likely to flake than others.

When I do get a flake, it happens with a few girls at once. I haven't had a girl flake on me for a couple of months and all of a sudden I have had 2 this week.

Incidentally...I rarely book more than 2 days ahead of time and the girls that flaked were booked prior to the holiday weekend. One of them called me to reschedule and the other has changed her mind about modeling.

that's right, they all flake! We shot a model for 3 hours straight, softcore, just posing nude and that kind of stuff. Paid her handsomely. Asked her come back the following day to shoot her for a few more hours...
Guess what? She called us the following morning and said that she couldn't show up because now that she had money she was going to spend the weekend with her boyfriend in Key West.

So, the next time she calls you for work, tell her you are booked solid for the next 3 weeks but that she should check in with you each day to see if there is a change.

Make her sweat for 3 to 5 days then tell her you have an opening.

After that, she is not likely to flake again.

It's the producers job to control the models, not the other way around. If you let them flake and get away with it then it will always be an issue. :2 cents:

Yeah Aaron you are right to a certain degree and say you have to treat the models right and have to have a certain attitude with them. However don't give Brian such a hard time. In LA you have to shoot a lot of girls to make decent money, unfortunately there is a high flake factor unless you want to shoot girls that have been in the industry a long time and are desperate for the cash.
Brian shoots mostly first time girls and I would venture he is shooting 4-5brand new girls a week, I am sure he doesn't have much time to recruit so he has to book through agencies. Very different then I am sure what you do and what you work you offer the girls.

Also in regards to the original post. Flakes, lateness and stupidity are part of the job as a shooter. You have to deal with it.
For me I don't think it is worth it anymore, I have done it for 4 years now and it drove me fuckin nuts.
Good luck and good riddance...lol

i use something i learned from aaron :pimp

i whip out my cock when i meet them which garuanteeeees theyre showing up when i book em.

Chris.. I think everyone has problems with no show.

From my experience its like this:

FIRST TIMERS / TEST SHOOTS:
The biggest problem are the first-timers, picked up either online, ads, or street. Only around 20 % of these come to the test shoot.

Models referred by other models who already do work for me: - 40% come on test shoot.

PRODUCTION SHOOTS:
My own models: 95% come to the shoot, unless they're out of modelling for good (and this is mostly due to the fact that they got a boyfriend or some shit like that)

Models booked thru agency: - 90% come to shoot, however to actually close a deal with retards from agency is a pain in the ass.


In my case I manage to get the first-time models pretty stable after the test shoot (in most cases they have never done any modelling job at all before).

Here are some tips that I use to reduce the flake effect:
Book 1-2 days prior to actual shoot date.
Pay a bit over the agreed rate (everyone likes free cash).
Book for a decent volume of work (more work per day --> less no show events)

The "flaking" happens mostly becuase of these 2 elements imho:

- not really up to the job - mentally (first time models who havent posed nude before)

- too little cash involved (professionals sometimes agree on booking date, then if they get a better offer on same date from someone else, they cancel the first shooting)



Alternatively I see a way to make a 100% no flake model system. Get them all on crack and get permit from the gouverment to license the content shooters for crack resale. Problem will be solved. A shitload of models, no flaking, and the state will make a few bux of the regulated crack industry.

models suck

That is 100%. I fond the best girls are the ones i have approched in cafe's ect, always on time and always eager to shoot.

AaronM has written a blog on finding models which i thought was really good.

:2 cents: :thumbsup

I'm right there with ya :) workin very hard to move along to greener grass :thumbsup

Show me the money! Really. Show them that you have the cash. If you are offering 500 show them at least three, and tell them that you are not joking. Just make sure to be safe.