Business Poll... How many affiliate programs do you think Shave?
 

Hi Guys. I had an interesting experience this week. I had a tgp veteran come by the Twistys offices. I gave him a tour and showed him how we ran our business. I was surprised to find out he was shocked that we didn't shave. He assumed all affiliate programs automatically shaved.

Being a program owner that started out as a Tgp and Cj owner I can identify with the feeling. I remember always thinking everybody shaved. Then we started TwistysCash and I got to experience how affiliate programs work and since shaving was never even a thought in my mind i started to assume the majority of companies aren't shaving. As the program owner I feel I owe my affiliates the absolute best I can possibly deliver.

Anyhow I was wondering what everybody else thinks?

If I had to guess, no less than half the sponsors out there shave daily, or have been involved with shaving in the past

I'm thinking about 20% shave or have shaved on occasion to protect the bottom line.

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Dollars per click. I don't try to figure out what sponsors are doing, I just try to get the most out of my traffic.

I understand that. What makes you the most with your traffic is the key figure to look at. HOWEVER if companies are out there and knowing knocking off 15% of sales the truth is that is theft. Is that acceptable? Just because they can convert your traffic better than someone else does that give them the right to shave?

im not going to callout the sponsor, but one of them shaves 1 in 6.......

Most shave, about 90% I would say.

I have a list of about 20 sponsors I've caught personally. As long as I make more per click than sponsors that don't shave, I could care less if they're shaving.

you must have visited the island of dr moreau....

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I think you are wrong. By that rationale we would be one of the few that don't shave and I find that hard to believe. You have to be a pretty goddamn heartless sob to shave someone who is sending you business.

I would have to say that ANY of the programs that are not like ccbill or something shave to some extent.

btw how do you catch them? Why not list those that you caught?

Voted!:thumbsup

Sorry pornguy but this is a very uneducated comment. I invite you to visit our offices anytime and I'll glady show you and explain why.

It is not possible to be profitable in this business without considerable shaving. See sig.

there are so many morons in this industry :disgust

I dont know your program, but let me ask - could you pay $40 per $2.99 trials? Just curious

The 4 elements of the perfect shave:

1. Start a thread about shaving
2. Convince everyone that one is honest and does not shave
3. See as the suckers sign up in droves
4. Continue to shave their asses off while laughing all the way to the bank

See sig.

I don't run trials so i can not answer that question. But looking at Topbucks they have 5 popups on their tour before you hit page two of the tour. I'm guessing if i had 5 popups before the surfer hit the join page I could pay $40 on $2.99 too.

Same here at the end of the day it is all about who makes me the most money :thumbsup

they all shave, get over it

We don't and I know a handful of others that don't as well.

I KNEW this pics would come in handy one day!!!

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http://www.dreamclub.nl/proofb.jpg
this is the new modified 5.21 ultra smooth shaver,

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I think the images speak for themselves..

Pierre
(btw..if anybody wants to sell their site, contact me at my email listed at worldsex.com ;-)

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I feel the same way we use Executive Stats to show we donhahaha8217;t shave. And we keep our payouts fair. We might not pay the most or the least but we right in the middle. Our growth is taking a little longer but my goal is to build reliable strong business relationships for long term

Do webmasters care? ? I donhahaha8217;t think so they get comfortable with a sponsor because they donhahaha8217;t like to take a risk in possibly making more. they are happy with there checks LOL

Shap when are we going to do some biz I'm ready whenever you are :)

i have caught a few myself and many others i have had "suspiscions"

i go by my gut feeling ....

btw my balls need shaving

Shap, no need to defend yourself and twistyscash about this issue. Your program is one of a kind and rock solid.

Take care.

i think if a program can shave, they will shave (for the most part)

Some of the big ones shave the worst. You know who you are. I won't stir up shit, but as long as some webmasters think its ok, as long as they get a check, it will continue. I would like to see someone bring on a criminal investigation one day put a stop to it.

I still send traffic to most of the programs I've caught, one of them I send around 50 signups/day to and they're even my #3 sponsor to this day (been promoting them for 3-4 years).

Sponsors shaving really means nothing to me, what it comes down to is the money I'm making. I'd definitely rather send my traffic to a sponsor that shaves and makes me $3k/day than send it to a sponsor that doesn't shave and makes me $2k/day, obviously.

I've never really even accused any programs of shaving, I usually just say "hey, this signup wasn't counted" and they know I know they're shaving :)

I have no reason to ever expose a program, they'd have to fuck me over pretty bad for me to do it.

For the record I highly doubt Twistys shaves, I have close friends whom are close friends with you and I only hear good things ;)

Thanks. Anytime you want to do business let me know :thumbsup

I try not to think about the shave, I just look at my revenue per click and stick to those who make the best. Even if my top sponsors are shaving, they're still the most profitable. Its all about maximization of revenues.
WG

if you guys are worried about shaving download the clix shaveware in my sig
and upload it to your server, it will tell you exactly what traffic you send and you can compare

I think Shap said it right the first time:

"There are so many morons here."

Douche bag.

It's a hard issue to nail down.

probably quite a bit

Any program not using ccbill... Why switch from ccbill to nats unless you plain to shave? Really whats the point? Nats, blows..

They're many creative ways to shave. Take the Braincash "Free Porno Free Porn" 2257 link thats at the bottom of every gallery. Or galleries that have the full URL plastered all over the place on the top of the gallery and only actual links at the bottom. Tour leaks, the "accident" typo in the movie/pic name that 404's to their 404 page.

There's a billion ways to shave without actually shaving :Oh crap