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Boycott Canadian Seafood...
Anyone seen this new commericals? they are all over the place on american tv
and I bet it could actually do something. starts out like this "every year, american seals travel to canada to give birth, they are then slaughtered in the most digusting way" then it shows canadians hitting the seals with axes and throwing them around laughing. Then goes into the whole "boycott canadian seafood" speal. Here is the website they were spamming in the commercials http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html |
lol you will be inadvertently boycotting fish anyways by simply letting the seals decimate protected species that will certainly become extinct if seal populations are allowed to balloon..
So do you want fish or seals ? , seals dont taste very good... not as good as fish anyways |
there will be idiots in any job, if you isolate the worst people and show them of course your going to have a bad opinion of them..
Kentucky fried chicken got busted for having employees at their poultry farms swinging chickens against walls to kill them and stomping on them , does that mean we should boycott some arbitrary animal that america produces ? or ban chickens or ? |
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On the one hand they call it a cull to protect the fish stocks but on the other hand they say it is a direct source of income. Its one or the other - the argument dosnt stand up. THEY overfished and decimated the cod stocks, so they kill the seals for extra income AND blame them for the problem. Its crap. Manage the fish stocks properly and there wont be a problem. Even if they kill every seal if they dont stop fucking it up themselves it wont make a blind bit of difference. Canada could learn a lot from NZ - the tourists are flocking their at the expense of Canada and that is BIG money - way more than they get from the Seals. |
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WoW I could imagine if they boycott hamn and showed a pig slaughter that is brutal.
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Im the first to admit its out own fault , that doesnt make it change the end result if you have bears and honey they do fine , but if humans take all the honey and leave only 1 bee hive for the bears , the bears will eat the last beehive and make them extinct .. get it.. so we are killing off a tiny percentage of the bears so that we can figure out how to protect he last bee hive.. |
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your right though it doesnt matter how many seals we kill if we dont properly manage the fish.. its a hard game because theres so many countries vying for the same fish.. as soon as canada lowers their quota's the americans go buck wild and catch all the extra fish and vice versa ( and its not just americans/candians )
people just get jaded when they see a video of something cute meeting an ugly demise.. without properly understanding the situation.. We have already banned fishing certain species that are too close to extinction. the problem is as the fish go up the seals also go up and eat them all so even if we didnt fish at all , banned all fishing tomorrow and stopped seal hunting completely THOSE FISH WILL GO EXTINCT , so we cant just "leave it up to nature" if we do we will lose species of fish , and maybe that is the best soltuion but i dont think so because nature wouldnt have let those fish go extinct it was us that did that . killing the seals is our solution to our problem of overfishing, it may not be the "nicest" solution , but its the best one around as far as i can see. |
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With just one beehive none of us will be able to survive - so perhaps we need look at it from a diffrent angle. Restore the natural balance that we had for many years before we got greedy. Going back to the Seals - they also eat larger fish that prey on Cod. Get some balance back in the system and it will start working again. |
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so what is your solution.. as i said above if we banned all fishing , those fish will go extinct , whats your solution.. every year that goes by without one means the decimation of certain species.. the only one available right now is culling the ballooning seal population. |
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Have you got a reference? I thought it was just a 'limited' take - as it is here in the UK I'm not doubting you - I really do have an interest in this. |
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The Grand Banks fisheries, once home to one of the world's most abundant populations of cod, collapsed in the 1990s, leading to a total fishing moratorium for this species in 1994. |
seals eat approx 10 billion dollars of sih per year , if we dont do something , we wont have any fish , just pretty untasty seals to look at :)
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B) The plural of deer is DEER there isn't an S. C) if they die they die. The strongest survive the way it was meant to be. History tells us everytime man tries to do natures job we fuck it up. D) I propose no solution because I said I wasn't geting into that discussion. I case you didn't bother to read that part. |
Its a bit funny about all the debating thats going on and all the coverage the seal hunters are getting. On the news the other night they interviewed the lady that sells flippers on the waterfront she said her sales are better this year then previous years. Alot of flipper pie getting made this friday here!! LOL
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are you still bent out of shape about that 9/11 thread ? you did see i was being facetious about that right ? |
heres a basic cliffnote on cod and seals , when we started mass fishing we also killed lots of seals , so when we started commercial fishing and such , no matter how many fisah we caught it didnt dent the population ( because we were killing seals at the same time and they eat cod ) so the fish were basically thriving because we were killing so many seals, it wasn't until we stopped killing seals that cod started to severely decline , then the seal population boomed and we suddenly had a big problem , so we banned cod , but we also let the seals rebound , and they were way ahead of the cod so its not helping much.. so the problem is like easter island right now , the population of seals is so big the cod cant sustain it , they will eventually be wiped out unless we even things out a bit by killing the seals and have a more clear understanding of our ecosystem and how it works
If we dont the seals will eat the cod until they are gone , then the seals will die because there arent enough cod to sustain them.. |
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It is a vicious circle and one that biologists have been trying to solve for years.
We have ruined the environment, many species that were around to keep another species in check is extinct, so the species left become over populated....which endangers another species and so on and so on. We have over fished. Sure we can fish less, but not all countries will cooperate and so fishing less just means that another country will fish more. Nature is like a zillion strands of dna that has to be fit in its exact sequence in order to work perfectly...the problem is we have lost strands of DNA, and we aren't sure how to build it again with the missing code. It is a huge puzzle and no one can figure it out. Sure, the best thing would be to have never messed with it in the first place....but man has been messing with it for generations and we are stuck with the aftermath. It isn't pretty :( |
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Good argument - except - we didnt know this when we started killing the Seals. also the hunt is not just in the places where the cod stocks are affected. Its just a small part of it. So its back to being 2 excuses for this - in my experience when you need 2 arguments, 1 or more likely, both, are bullshit. Anyway, save the thread, I'm way too drunk to save the seals now. I have a feeling it will come up again :) |
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nobody is saying its a perfect solution, what we are saying is its the ONLY solution right now.. you can either throw up your hands and say " nature will sort it out " or you can say "hey we fucked up nature , maybe we should try to put it back as best we can because all data suggest we fucked with it so much we are gonna lose some shit here" Theres 2 arguments because theres 2 issues here.. #1 the killing of seals with clubs and such #2 the killing of seals period ok theres 3 actually #3 boycotting canadian seafood ( thread topic ) #1-The only way we know to kill seals is to bash them with clubs, guns scare them , the government has a ban on silencers for guns.. easy solution , issue permits for silencers problem # 1 solved #2 this is kind of 2 parts , seals are actually used for meat and skins like other animals ( cows etc ) , but the seal hunts arent meant for that ( mainly ) , they are culls to keep the population in check as the cod stocks rebuild on their own, this isnt the best solution but i dont hear any others.. #3 boycotting canadian seafood just doesnt make sense , almost every country has farms where animals are treated thousand of times worse than a club to the head.. it just doesnt make sense.. how can anyone compare the lifetme mistreatment of cows/pigs/chickens to a one-time clubbing and call it a boycottable offense |
Let's just boycott Canada. Less hassle.
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heres a simple example of the situation..
when we came here we found a garden half full of dandelions ( seals ) and the other half filled with strawberries ( fish ) We made dandelion wine out of the dandelions ( seals ) and strawberry cake out of the strawberries ( fish ), no matter how many dandelions or srawberries we picked they would always grow back.. Then we fucked up and stopped picking dandelions(seals) and only picked strawberries( fish ) all was well for awhile the strawberries would grow back ,but slowly the dandelions started growing into the strawberry half of the garden because we never picked any dandelions.. by the time we realised it the garden was 90% dandelions and 10% strawberries, so we stopped picking strawberries so they could grow back , but it didnt work , there are so many dandelions , they are choking out the sunlight and not allowing any strawberries to grow so now we either cut back some of the dandelions so we can let the strawberries grow back or we dont do anything and the dandelions will eventually kill the last of the strawberries and all we will have is dandelions.. |
i like how they call them "american seals" lol
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personally im all for people boycotting canadian seafood , keep it in canada :) they should ban all commercial fishing period , maybe even put up border guards and tell "american seals" to fuck right off , fine them for how much fish they eat while in canadian waters then impound them until americans pay the fee... fuck now theres an industry .. sell impounded seals to peta..
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The real underlying reason for all of the overpopulation control problems(which all of these deer, seal, cod etc etc) boil down to is because the human population needs to be culled (something nature should take care of pretty soon) as we have cut down the natural "space" that the animal populations had and concentrated the animals in areas way too small for them to populate normally. Of course the fact that we have "animal lovers" that dont understand that animal populations will take care of culling themselves through very brutal confrontations doesnt help (cue the PETA bamboo wielders video) and bleeding heart idiots that think that animals using their natural territorial instincts whilst killing each other is abnormal.
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wtf ? do you really think canadians kill seals because we like killing things ? cmon now that makes no sense , its not like a national pasttime its a few designated hunters that do it.. dont be rediculous Im not sure if you have read the thread or if you just cant grasp the concept deer arent the same as cod. you also seem to miss the fact its not the seals that need our help its the cod.. read my example above and if you still think we should let the dandelions ( seals ) decimate whats left of the strawberries (fish ) Go do some research on seal and cod populations over the last 100 years and you will have alot more information to go on than an uninformed " let nature sort it out ' attitude bottom line is if we let seal populations rebound like they are , we will have no cod left that would have been fine if we left them alone.. if you cant understand that your own preconcieved notions cloud your judgement. Anyone can bash any method of anything , it takes someone with some knowledge of the subject to come up with a better solution, so far i havent heard one.. not here and not from fisheries experts or marine biliogists or animal lovers or anyone , theres only 2 options.. kill some seals , save our fish , dont kill seals , put species of fish into extinction that we could have saved.. |
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