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samsam 04-07-2006 12:17 PM

Can IRS Force Me To Show My Affiliate Stats?
 
They asked me three times already and each time i told them im not going to show it. Its not like i under declared but its none of their business. Theyre coming after me like hawks :helpme

Can they force me?

SuckOnThis 04-07-2006 12:23 PM

Just tell them what you make is none of their business. Also mention people that pay taxes are suckers.

After Shock Media 04-07-2006 12:25 PM

They can examine your colon if they really wish to.

Right now they are asking, keep refusing and if they really want them they will audit you or serve you with a warrant.

SomeCreep 04-07-2006 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsam
They asked me three times already and each time i told them im not going to show it. Its not like i under declared but its none of their business. Theyre coming after me like hawks :helpme

Can they force me?

The IRS has no power to tell you to do anything. Even when they tell you to pay your taxes, you dont have too. Tell them to go fuck themselves, and that whether you pay taxes or not is also none of their business.

Phoenix 04-07-2006 12:33 PM

tell them you are going to blow up their building

Stallion 04-07-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
tell them you are going to blow up their building


bet that will go over well.. lmao

Deej 04-07-2006 12:41 PM

is this a serious question?

didnt you fill in your SS# when you signed up?

juve20 04-07-2006 12:42 PM

believe me, you always pay the tax man first!

TheDoc 04-07-2006 12:44 PM

If you run a corporation within the United States you had best pay your company taxes. The law clearly states corporations doing business within the corporation of the United States must pay taxes. The hahaha8220;half asshahaha8221; loophole is it doesnhahaha8217;t say a person, a natural person, doesnhahaha8217;t have to pay taxeshahaha8230; Lots of shit, best not to play in that area unless you are very up on what to do.

However, that doesnhahaha8217;t mean you have to let them bully you around. Get a lawyer, even advice helps. Then, you may want to decide if worth the possible fight. They can be assholes and corporations have no real power over the IRS.

Lifer 04-07-2006 12:46 PM

Very good advice in this thread - not!!

Maybe need to rename it - How to piss off the wrong folks?

mrthumbs 04-07-2006 12:46 PM

i doubt that want to 'see your stats'.. thats irrelevant to them.

"after some investigation we noticed you made $534 the last year at pornmegaboobscash.com.. what happened with this income stream?"

The tax guy doesnt have time for bullshit like that.

xclusive 04-07-2006 12:48 PM

Don't fuck with the TaxMan

TheDoc 04-07-2006 12:54 PM

Stupid quick reply really jacks up posts.... repost..


If you run a corporation within the United States you had best pay your company taxes. The law clearly states corporations doing business within the corporation of the United States must pay taxes. The "half ass" loophole is it doesn't say a person, a natural person, has to pay taxes; Lots of shit, best not to play in that area unless you are very up on what to do.

However, that doesn't mean you have to let them bully you around. Get a lawyer, even advice helps. Then, you may want to decide if worth the possible fight. They can be assholes and corporations have no real power over the IRS.

Webby 04-07-2006 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsam
They asked me three times already and each time i told them im not going to show it. Its not like i under declared but its none of their business. Theyre coming after me like hawks :helpme

Can they force me?

For fuck sake don't listen to some advice on this thread samsam :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If you think they are really "hawking" you - get an agent/CPA.

Same the world over - tax authorities can investigate anything they want and ask for evidentiary docs. Tho you may not have under-declared, they are entitled to evidence of this - including how many cartons of milk you consume in a week and how you paid for this. :winkwink:

samsam 04-07-2006 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej_E4A
is this a serious question?

didnt you fill in your SS# when you signed up?

no because the affiliate is based in europe and they didnt ask

cant believe they want to see the stats, esp as if they did get a warrant to see them they would be sorely disappointed. i hardly have any earnings with the affiliate but its none of their business anyway.

actually, if im honest, im just trying to save face :1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 04-07-2006 01:02 PM

I smell bullshit.

If the IRS comes after you they're going to want to see bank statements, not affiliate stats.

Deej 04-07-2006 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by samsam
no because the affiliate is based in europe and they didnt ask

cant believe they want to see the stats, esp as if they did get a warrant to see them they would be sorely disappointed. i hardly have any earnings with the affiliate but its none of their business anyway.

actually, if im honest, im just trying to save face :1orglaugh

hrmmmm
yea that is a weird scenario....

theres a question...does the US have any jurisdiction with over seas earnings....probly a dumb question and im sure its YES....but anyone that knows the solid law on it, drop the info here....

Jace 04-07-2006 01:04 PM

i always love reading GFY advice

get a tax lawyer if they are contacting you directly dude...don't fuck around with them....

seriously, if you have the irs breathing down your neck and contacting you directly, get a tax lawyer and a superb accountant, and let them handle it all for you

Manga1 04-07-2006 01:07 PM

Best advice here is to get an accountant or lawyer or both to deal with this for you. Don't even talk to them if the accountant or lawyer is not with you.

Deej 04-07-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace
i always love reading GFY advice

get a tax lawyer if they are contacting you directly dude...don't fuck around with them....

seriously, if you have the irs breathing down your neck and contacting you directly, get a tax lawyer and a superb accountant, and let them handle it all for you

A good tax attorney and tax accountant always saves you money....

their wages may seem steep. but you will have a heftier pocket in the end

Webby 04-07-2006 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej_E4A
hrmmmm
yea that is a weird scenario....

theres a question...does the US have any jurisdiction with over seas earnings....probly a dumb question and im sure its YES....but anyone that knows the solid law on it, drop the info here....

Don't have jurisdiction as such - but they sure have cause to check US taxpayers are actually making full declaration of international revenue sources.

There is some irony (in particular re the US) when a US citizen does not live within the US, (eg may be a resident of another country) - they still want annual filings of worldwide income and taxes can be payable on this back in the US.

G-Rotica 04-07-2006 01:10 PM

Don't fuck with the tax man.

avalanche 04-07-2006 01:11 PM

Get an attorney that specializes in tax/audit scenarios. If the IRS wants something, they are likely asking because they have reason to believe it will lead to undeclared income. We just finished an audit and they went through everything. Give them what they want if you have nothing to hide, otherwise it can go on for a long time. Better still, get representation.

Deej 04-07-2006 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby
Don't have jurisdiction as such - but they sure have cause to check US taxpayers are actually making full declaration of international revenue sources.

There is some irony (in particular re the US) when a US citizen does not live within the US, (eg may be a resident of another country) - they still want annual filings of worldwide income and taxes can be payable on this back in the US.

hrmm interesting, Thank you

pornguy 04-07-2006 01:13 PM

only two things in life are certain. Death and Taxes. with that in mind, IRS can make you wish that you were dead. Show them the fucking stats, and get it over with.


And asking for advice on a forum that any one can read, could cost you more than its worth.

Manowar 04-07-2006 01:13 PM

this thread rocks

jackie1 04-07-2006 01:14 PM

What did the irs say about selling porn? Are they weirded out by it? I know it's perfectly legal, but I just thought it would be awkward explaining about "stats" and "sponsors" to anyone, let alone IRS. I would have nervous breakdown during the interview.

I'm already anti social so talking to any stranger about just about anything would give me a breakdown already, but explaining porn would just be so much worse.

samsam 04-07-2006 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie1

I'm already anti social so talking to any stranger about just about anything would give me a breakdown already, but explaining porn would just be so much worse.

thanks you just hit the nail on the head right there.

the affiliate in question is a footjob sponsor and the affiliate stats page is full of feet and cumshots. i dont think i can actually show that to the IRS.

Webby 04-07-2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie1
What did the irs say about selling porn? Are they weirded out by it? I know it's perfectly legal, but I just thought it would be awkward explaining about "stats" and "sponsors" to anyone, let alone IRS. I would have nervous breakdown during the interview.

I'm already anti social so talking to any stranger about just about anything would give me a breakdown already, but explaining porn would just be so much worse.

It's just a biz jackie :winkwink: Tax folks are only interested in $'s and proper accounting - and normally there would be no "interview" without an agent/lawyer/accountant present.

Only my :2 cents: based on past experiences with em - it's down to the investigating agent bottom line. Some think "porn merchants" hide millions under the bed and they are on to something. They usually find *something* to claim, but if the accounting is correctly - it's usually peanuts.

Thomas N 04-07-2006 01:33 PM

What you need for this situation is an Enrolled Agent.

http://www.naea.org/

End of thread.

SuckOnThis 04-07-2006 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie1
What did the irs say about selling porn? Are they weirded out by it? I know it's perfectly legal, but I just thought it would be awkward explaining about "stats" and "sponsors" to anyone, let alone IRS. I would have nervous breakdown during the interview.

I'm already anti social so talking to any stranger about just about anything would give me a breakdown already, but explaining porn would just be so much worse.


The IRS could give a fuck if you're selling porn, drugs, whatever. All they care about is collecting tax.

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WiredGuy 04-07-2006 01:34 PM

I wouldn't hand over my affiliate stats, but I'd hand over the equivalent. Namely, invoices from every period from those sponsors. In the case of an audit, they do have the right to look at your income sources. But if you're in an audit situation, I wouldn't go without a kickass attorney and accountant.
WG

NinjaSteve 04-07-2006 01:39 PM

I think you should definately talk to an attourney. It's strange that they want to see stats. You could be signed up for 100 programs. Damn.

Manga1 04-07-2006 01:51 PM

Download the stats into a spreadsheet and give them that.

woj 04-07-2006 02:15 PM

If you don't have anything to hide, why are you sweating? Show them the stats, and move on... but better yet, get a lawyer to advice you on these issues, will save you a lot of headaches and money....

Probono 04-07-2006 02:57 PM

Get a lawyer. If you are in the US they can shut you down and haul you away. Repeat don't mess around get a tax attorney.

KRL 04-07-2006 03:27 PM

Never fuck with the US Government. To show you their power. >>>>

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Scootermuze 04-07-2006 05:11 PM

How would they even know that you have affiliate stats?

Webby 04-07-2006 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

Government lawyers tried to confiscate the gold tooth caps known as "grills" from the mouths of two men facing drug charges, saying the dental work qualified as seizable assets. They had them in a vehicle headed to a dental clinic by the time defense attorneys persuaded a judge to halt the procedure.

Sounds about right KRL.

There are loads of laws used to justify almost *anything*. There was the old blue-rise hair lady who got $10K "confiscated" off her while on Amtrack. (There is some bylaw where a "govt officer" can just seize money when it's $10K or more from any passenger travelling on Amtrack). She is still waiting for the funds to be returned - and no indictment on any offense for the last eight years since this happened.

It's much nicer to not live under a regime like that.

Webby 04-07-2006 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze
How would they even know that you have affiliate stats?

Bank accounts - unless there is epassporte which is another issue They are not stupid and love plastic cards :)


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