If you're going to protest tightening immigration laws....
 

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don't carry around a fucking mexican flag.......that makes 0 sense

i thought u wanted to be american?

guess not...guess you just wanna come up here, make abunch of $, & take it all back with you to "mehico"

Im split on the immigration issue. I think the biggest issue is simplifying the immigration process. Anyone who has gone through it knows its a cluster fuck. Took us 3 years to get my wifes Greencard all situated. Its also very costly. It cost us close to 5k in fees, and two trips to Memphis, and one to New Orleans to get everything finished. Most of your run of the mill imigrants looking to just have a chance in America couldnt afford just the fees. :Oh crap

We need to adopt the same situation canada has....bringing in skilled/educated people only and make that process extremely easy for them, no matter what country their from...india, mexico, eastern block countries etc.. And kick out all the people illegally here, who are just a drain on the system, & bad genetics in the pool.

Well depends what area you are from how you feel about certain imigrants. Here in TN the Mexicans that live here are very VERY hard workers, and are rarely involved in criminal activities. There is a large draw for TN in some areas. I lived in McMinville for about 9 months while my wife was a Student teacher. McMinville is the Nursery capital of the country, and Ive heard the world actually, so that area had a very large influx of imigrant workers.

Few years ago I managed an autoparts store and over 3 years or so of being there I never once had an issue with a Mexican customer. They are some of the most polite people I had to deal with.

Now out in Cali and other areas Im sure you get some very undesireable Mexicans. Its an area to area issue I think.

The people here illegally are more than a "drain on the system". They contribute social security they'll never collect and pay taxes. They do the work that urban welfare recipients refuse to do.

I dont understand people, what part of the fucking word ILLEGAL dont they understand? Many of them are here ILLEGALLY its pretty simple? Anyone that says we should just allow people to cross into the USA without any kind of process is an idiot.

Then change the process. As long as there's a line in the sand where you can increase your income tenfold by jumping it, you're an idiot not to jump.

viva la mexico!

The problem is deeper than that. If none were currently here we could say send back everyone that makes it across. Problem is we have 12 million or more illegals here right now. That number went from 3.7 million to 12 million during the previous Presidents administration. It would crush our economy if we just sent them all back.

That is the thing, that people dont see. they bitch about them going to a hospital, and then not paying, when in fact the ones that do that usually are NOT illegal. The illegals have the witch that lives on the farm they work, stitch them up, or set bones.

And I will tell you now. I wont pick tomatoes for less than 15$ an hour with 2 coffee breaks a 1 hour lunch, medical and dental insurance.

How much do you think you will be paying for a pound of tomatoes then????

Solvoing the mexican illegal issue is an easy one. Dont go after them. it like chasing a needle in a hay stack. go after the businesses, that hire them, as well as the people that rent homes and appartments. Make it easier for them to come and work, and then go home every night. ITS A LOT FUCKING CHEAPER to LIVE in mexico.

yup thats why people sell crack

so i guess we should just make crack legal & sell it in grocery stores by that logic

mexico & honduras etc. have excellent skilled carpenters & farmers, all i'm saying is, make the process more streamlined for legitimate workers....people with skill, let them over after reviewing their mental capacity

and as far as them contributing to social security? are you fucking kidding me? they all get paid under the table, or as contractors....& they dont fucking pay taxs you stupid stupid stupid fuck

The days of illegals making $5 an hour is way over....that was the early 90's, the illegals today are making $12-15 an hour, trust me, i know alot of guys running construction teams

You are damn right on the SS and tax point.

as for the skilled labor. I agree, and that is supposed to be part of the thing that BUSH is working on with mexico. the guest workers. But it can not just be the skilled, the US also NEEDS unskilled.

Selling crack has greater societal ramifications than somebody working illegally. Bad attempt at analogy.

Your assertion that they "all work under the table" and don't pay taxes just shows how little you know about the subject, YOU stupid fuck. In the county I live Mexican citizens pay a majority of the sales tax collected. These aren't illegals but Mexican citizens. Less federal and state income tax and more sales taxes is the way to tax any underground economy. I think our government should do more of it.

The government knows it needs Mexicans despite the protests of racist fucks like you. That's why they don't REALLY do anything about it except talk and posture to appease you inbreeders that don't want your gene pool messed with.

regarding illegal workers and social security
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1e10ruben.html

Your friends hire illegal workers and pay them under the table? Sounds like they're the cause of the problem.

Fomr that article.


(The government does try to notify some of the larger employers that Social Security cards they've accepted appear to be phony, but that's about the extent of its efforts to figure out where all this money is coming from.) According to the best estimates of the Social Security Administration, the fund has kept track over the last 20 years of more than $300 billion in total earnings hahaha8211; the vast majority of them attributable to illegal immigrants.

Three-hundred billion dollars! You have to admit that's pretty impressive in a country where no one will admit to actually hiring illegal immigrants in the first place.

Did you just call me a racist because i simply believe we only need to let in skilled/educated workers? I havn't made a single racist remark in this thread. It's always the person losing the argument that turns to accusing others of racism.

You can run your mouth all day long. But the simple fact is...anyone coming over the border needs to be screened for a criminal record & show that they have a skill that will add to the countries well being.

As far as deporting the illegals, the only suggestion i have outside of rounding them up & kicking them up...would be to offer them a 4 year run in the military, upon completion, they would become probationary citizens.

Its how rome did it, & i think it'll work just fine here.

I'm not losing any argument and I called you a racist for your "gene pool" comment. You showed yourself.

As for the crminnal record thing, you should really visit Mexico to see how the cops here work. If they need lunch money, you could get a year in jail if you cant pay, and the situation goes bad. And then it should truly be on a case by case basis.

As for having them in the millitary, you would have to teach them english, you use them as cannon fodder.

yea....as in the collective gene pool of the entire country, made up of all races

if you wanna be in charge of taking care of all the illegal immigrant mongoloids that got over here simply because they can climb a fence, feel free....but some of us don't wanna deal with it

To assert that a race will mess up the gene pool and are "mongoloids" is racist.

And you're not "in charge of taking care of" anyone. What in the fuck gives you that idea?

Maybe escorpio you don't live around the illegals. It's not alot of fun. People are getting stabbed & robbed 24-7. I can't even walk in a 7-11 anymore without being hassled for 20 minutes by some dude named Julio who insists he can paint anything...the only problem is, i keep saying "I DONT NEED ANYTHING PAINTED, IM TRYING TO GET A FUCKING SLURPEE"....yet julio keeps grabbing me by the shoulder begging me to give him a painting job, keeping me from being able to enter 7-11.

And of course i can't push him away...because 40 of his friends are standing right there, all carrying knives, none can speak enough english to diffuse a situation, & i don't have enough rounds in my clip for the entire crowd.

So fuck your politically correct shit, & come see how the real world works.

once again, you took my post out of context

so quit pulling the race card on me, it won't work....because #1 people know i'm not a racist, & #2, no one gives a fuck

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I live on the border in Arizona. Here's the demographic breakdown of my neighborhood...

the racial makeup of the CDP was 62.84% White, 0.69% Black or African American, 0.73% Native American, 1.21% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 32.30% from other races, and 2.19% from two or more races. 87.30% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

So yeah, I've come into contact with a Mexican or two.

Can't you agree we need to solve the influx of illegal/undocumented people entering our country? Or should we just open america up, without checking anyone out.....for anyone in the fucking world to just come on over, for the sake of not being called racists & elitest.

I hate when people talk their head off without knowing shit about nothing. pr0, you need to get a little more educated about the issue before you open your mouth, hopefully this site will enlighten you a little http://www.farmworkers.org/benglish.html, you?ll learn that the immigrant workers issue is not a recent one and that the Mexican workers have contributed over the years to the economic development of your country; they also contributed during WWII by working the fields while the majority of American males went overseas; that in the past our two countries have successfully worked together to find solutions to the problem (bracero project), and so on.

Can you people read?

I'm 100% for immigration, there need to be checks & balances. We can't just continue letting anyone climb the fence.

We need a setup like canada has....period.

I agree with that. It's the system that perpetuates illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem is to take a deposit of around $2000 from a guest worker and have his employer deposit 25% of his earnings in a holding account that can only be collected upon return to Mexico.

Amigo where in mexico are you?

Cd. Juarez, right on the border with El Paso TX

Yes, I read very well, thank you. :321GFY

look seriously guys...i didn't mean to come accross as an asshole in this thread...i'm sure some of my views don't aline with yours

but i think we can all agree that there needs to be a system in place to review who we let into this country

and we need to make latino immigrant workers especially....more legal, so that we know who's here, & not only that.....so that these building contractor scumbags, & large farms don't take advantage of these poor people simply because their illegal

I told you that the US and Mexican governments have worked a solution in the past, and now my President has been proposing a similar plan for the past five years, very much like what you are saying. But your President has intransigently refused it, you should ask him and your congressmen why.

Those Mexican flags you were talking about tell me only one thing: that those people are proud of their origins; that they are aware of who they are, where they come from, and where they're at; that they left most of their loved ones back in Mexico; that they want they basic human rights to be validated. Can you see a different picture now?

Yeah and you arent a bit biased or anything there bud. If an unflux of illegal Americans entered Mexico youd be just as pissed. These people are here ILLEGALLY - Why dont you get that? Would it be ok for you to run your adult business ILLEGALLY? NO so there ya go bud, they need to do things our LEGAL way or get the fuck out. I dont care if tomatoes cost $2 a piece I dont want my tax dollars to pay for some illegals hospital bill. I hate to say it but old Bushy called this one right - guest worker program for the current illegal criminals in our country and then crack down on the rest that think its ok to jump the border. There is a PROCESS these lazy fuckers need to go through, sorry thats just the way it is in ANY COUNTRY.

Speaking of legalities, let me remind you that your President Bush went to war ILLEGALLY, and who gave a fuck? You rewarded him with a second term. How nice. I guess that?s the way you do things in your country.

This legal talk is political bullshit, you?re so blinded you can?t see what?s really going on. You think your government officials are so straight and every thing, why don?t you come to the border and see for yourself how things really are, your border is porous because your government want it that way, the border patrol turn a blind eye on some people crossing the border to go to work knowingly, I see it every day, you wouldn?t believe how many maids and yard workers cross the bridge legally early in the day, work illegally in the US, and return to Mexico in the evening every single day, many of them travel to other parts of the country and stay permanently.

Trying to explain border life and culture to someone that doesn't live here is almost impossible, I've found.

Viva Ambos Nogales!

¿How's the weather in Nogales? I'm going to Obregón the first week of April.

Saludos.

Your government shits on illegal immigrants in your country from Guatemala yet you want us to worship Mexican illegal aliens here?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...1935-8473r.htm

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If our country is so terrible then why do your people often die trying to get here? Maybe you should worry about your own country that's so terrible people kill themselves trying to escape.