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Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:28 PM

Looking to start my first paysite (BIZ THREAD)
 
Well,

I have a bunch of content that I have purchased, and I am very close to finalizing things with a payment processor.

So now I am looking to setup a paysite, and I have the following questions for you:
1. How important is the domain name for branding? Since most people will be members (and be forced to remember the URL), and since most of my members will come VIA tgp/mgp submissions and blogs. Do you think it is extremely important to have a short/catchy domain name?

2. Is there any type of content management system that works on a monthly lease? OR maybe there is a nice open source solution out there?

3. Where should I focus my security efforts? Password cracking? DDOS? What are the main threats to my business?

4. If you could give me 2-5 tips, on how to improve efficiency/effectiveness, what would they be?

5. What is your average charge back ratio? Is there any way to improve this? (less charge backs)


Thank you so much for any information you can toss my way :)

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:31 PM

stephen takacs is back?

pornguy 02-26-2006 10:32 PM

GFY Search. Its all there.

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:33 PM

stephen takacs? Sorry not 100% sure who that is?

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
GFY Search. Its all there.

Yes I have been doing a lot of searching on GFY, but some of the questions I couldn't find answers to.. so I'm turning to you guys :)

Thanks for the replies so far..:thumbsup

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:36 PM

Tip #1: buy sigs!

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:37 PM

Tip #2: chinese have the best traffic and the largest population online. 404 converts exceptionally well. its cheap and since chinese don't have much porn, it converts really well.

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:38 PM

well I have been told a lot of people on here are just "e-ballers", but I'm sure some one on here must have some experience :)

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:39 PM

Tip #3: Use Ibill - they are by faaaar the best and most reliable for credit card processing.

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
Tip #2: chinese have the best traffic and the largest population online. 404 converts exceptionally well. its cheap and since chinese don't have much porn, it converts really well.

I'm not sure what part(s) of my post put you under the impression that I am slow... please save your "witty" comments for the "would you hit it" threads.


Thank you kindly.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:40 PM

Tip #4: read www.lukeisback.com everyday for the best news on the adult business.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
I'm not sure what part(s) of my post put you under the impression that I am slow... please save your "witty" comments for the "would you hit it" threads.


Thank you kindly.

if you know so little about running a paysite that you have to ask these questions and think "i have already bought the content" matters, then you are not going to get any reasonable replies.

now leave me alone, i am busy thinking up witty comments for this thread and for your future "where does traffic come from?" posts in a couple weeks.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:45 PM

Tip #5: Hire Lawrence Conner as soon as possible. He is affordable.

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
if you know so little about running a paysite that you have to ask these questions and think "i have already bought the content" matters, then you are not going to get any reasonable replies.

now leave me alone, i am busy thinking up witty comments for this thread and for your future "where does traffic come from?" posts in a couple weeks.

You know if you were flying a sig, you could have made a little over a dollar, just on replying to this thread alone!

Hell that's almost a full minute of live webcam action, I'm sure that is more than enough to pull your pecker 2-3 times.

"where does traffic come from", certaintly not from you, I'm quite fine with my traffic and how it converts. I'm looking for advice from the experts, who wouldn't try to improve? And since obviously you are no where near an expert, I'm going to ask you to kindly leave this thread.

Thank you and have as great life :):thumbsup

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:46 PM

Tip #6: Get to know AlienQ. If you are going to make it in this biz, you can't afford not to know the guy who invented HTML, grain alcohol, Ferrari's, the space shuttle program and wombats.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:49 PM

Tip #7: Chio might not really be a pirate. Sharks don't really fart. He may or may not possess a carrot and wax it often. Take his posts with a grain of salt.

BusterBunny 02-26-2006 10:51 PM

http://precociousmoments.tripod.com/pics/monkeys.jpg
needed some color in here:winkwink:

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:51 PM

Tip #8: Contrary to popular belief, Juicy D. Links really does have websites and knows what he is doing.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:52 PM

Tip #9: Contrary to many assumptions, KB has never had a website and has trouble spelling "HTML" and is not really a pimp... and "marketing consultant" can also mean "basically unemployable - but i show up at parties and know a few people"

dont pay for his "consulting services"

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:54 PM

Tip # 10: No caricatures of the prophet Mohammad should be viewable on your site. If you are Danish, you already know this.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:56 PM

Tip #11: Image in this biz if everything. Like everyone else, always try to look more successful than you are. Post pics of houses that are not yours, cars you don't own and talk about far away places you have never been to. Google is your friend.

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 10:58 PM

11 free tips is all you get from me.

sorry :(

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-26-2006 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
Tip #6: Get to know AlienQ. If you are going to make it in this biz, you can't afford not to know the guy who invented HTML, grain alcohol, Ferrari's, the space shuttle program and wombats.

I particularly like Wombats.


Thus it inspired Zaphdingbats.
Or for most other popularly known as wingding font cases.:thumbsup

Sebastian Sands 02-26-2006 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
Well,

I have a bunch of content that I have purchased, and I am very close to finalizing things with a payment processor.

So now I am looking to setup a paysite, and I have the following questions for you:
1. How important is the domain name for branding? Since most people will be members (and be forced to remember the URL), and since most of my members will come VIA tgp/mgp submissions and blogs. Do you think it is extremely important to have a short/catchy domain name?

2. Is there any type of content management system that works on a monthly lease? OR maybe there is a nice open source solution out there?

3. Where should I focus my security efforts? Password cracking? DDOS? What are the main threats to my business?

4. If you could give me 2-5 tips, on how to improve efficiency/effectiveness, what would they be?

5. What is your average charge back ratio? Is there any way to improve this? (less charge backs)


Thank you so much for any information you can toss my way :)

Ok, let me try to give you some serious tips.

Being able to get a catchy domain name is always good, however it is not easy these days. a two word domain is probably the best you can get, I personally would not settle for a .net or any other ext then .com Your members will get an email after signing up and a "smart" surfer will keep that info, including his/her sign in info stored.

CMS systems are all over the place, just shop around and use what fits your needs.

PW protection is something you'd need I suggest strongbox personally. But there are others as well.

Find some people that take you serious and are willing to help you. There are plenty of helpfull people on the boards.

Good luck with your venture. :thumbsup

Pleasurepays 02-26-2006 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ
Thus it inspired Zaphdingbats.

hahaha..bastard. i had to look that up.
:)

sonofsam 02-26-2006 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
Well,

I have a bunch of content that I have purchased, and I am very close to finalizing things with a payment processor.

So now I am looking to setup a paysite, and I have the following questions for you:
1. How important is the domain name for branding? Since most people will be members (and be forced to remember the URL), and since most of my members will come VIA tgp/mgp submissions and blogs. Do you think it is extremely important to have a short/catchy domain name?

2. Is there any type of content management system that works on a monthly lease? OR maybe there is a nice open source solution out there?

3. Where should I focus my security efforts? Password cracking? DDOS? What are the main threats to my business?

4. If you could give me 2-5 tips, on how to improve efficiency/effectiveness, what would they be?

5. What is your average charge back ratio? Is there any way to improve this? (less charge backs)


Thank you so much for any information you can toss my way :)

I'm not an expert by any means.. but i'll throw in my 2 cents

1. Domain name isn't that important.... so long as it isn't some crazy long 7 word domain or something...

2. Upload the content and do the updates by hand for the first while, don't spend money where you don't need it. Once you get big enough where your time would be better spent other places, then get a CMS

3. Strongbox is a good solution, and affordable. 75 bucks for the script i believe... but again, you don't really need this right off the bat... if there are not many members, what are they going to brute force, right?

4. Build freesites every day, they will always bring in traffic.... if you start building them daily... in 3 months.. when you have a shitload of freesites each sending 100uniques/day or something.. it'll be well worth your time.... (wish i woulda listened to this advice when i first started)

5. Tell the surfer what he is getting on the tour, and you shouldn't have a problem with chargebacks... Basically don't promise access to 3000 full dvd scenes if you only have 20 scenes in the members area and you'll be fine.

good luck with it man :thumbsup

Sebastian Sands 02-26-2006 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
I'm not an expert by any means.. but i'll throw in my 2 cents

1. Domain name isn't that important.... so long as it isn't some crazy long 7 word domain or something...

2. Upload the content and do the updates by hand for the first while, don't spend money where you don't need it. Once you get big enough where your time would be better spent other places, then get a CMS

3. Strongbox is a good solution, and affordable. 75 bucks for the script i believe... but again, you don't really need this right off the bat... if there are not many members, what are they going to brute force, right?

4. Build freesites every day, they will always bring in traffic.... if you start building them daily... in 3 months.. when you have a shitload of freesites each sending 100uniques/day or something.. it'll be well worth your time.... (wish i woulda listened to this advice when i first started)

5. Tell the surfer what he is getting on the tour, and you shouldn't have a problem with chargebacks... Basically don't promise access to 3000 full dvd scenes if you only have 20 scenes in the members area and you'll be fine.

good luck with it man :thumbsup


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 11:19 PM

nice thanks for the great replies, I know the "basis" of free sites, but I just haven't really ever explored the possibilities of it... do you have a link to a tutorial? Maybe a forum thread? Just something that goes more indepth, in regards to submitting the free site, and optimizing it?

Update the content by hand for the first bit? What is the easiest way to do this? Using some simple PHP includes?

Mr.Nice Guy 02-26-2006 11:52 PM

One more bump in regards to 2257, what is the proper proceedure to do this? Not really interested in going to a lawyer and getting a 2257 document written up. From the looks of it a lot of people (with poor grammar) have also decided to write it them selves.

Does anyone have a template or something I could snitch off of?

Thanks again

venus 02-27-2006 12:10 AM

why do you think most of your members will come from TGP/MGP's ?

and for #4, dont rely on TGP's and MGP's for most of your traffic is the best advice I can give you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
since most of my members will come VIA tgp/mgp submissions and blogs.

4. If you could give me 2-5 tips, on how to improve efficiency/effectiveness, what would they be?


Mr.Nice Guy 02-27-2006 12:21 AM

Well I mean that's where I currently get my sales for the programs I submit, I will just stop supporting their program and support my own site :) My tgp traffic is not too bad honestly...

any other tips?

Sloane 02-27-2006 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus
why do you think most of your members will come from TGP/MGP's ?

and for #4, dont rely on TGP's and MGP's for most of your traffic is the best advice I can give you.

Not much luck with TGP/MPG traffic Venus?

stevo 02-27-2006 12:27 AM

Use Pennywize, Strongbox, or Proxypass to protect your site (especially if you have a lot of movie content). If the site is good enough, hackers will crack into your members area and share it to the world - crashing the server... You need some protection.

Chargebacks are on the rise this year, i believe credit card fraud is the main cause. Plus then there are a few lovely customers who credit 3+ months. I'm almost at 1%.

venus 02-27-2006 12:31 AM

Are you making more from the TGP's then you are spending in bandwidth?
Are you getting rich from your TGP sales ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
Well I mean that's where I currently get my sales for the programs I submit, I will just stop supporting their program and support my own site :) My tgp traffic is not too bad honestly...

any other tips?


venus 02-27-2006 12:35 AM

I dont do TGP's unless I am really bored
I think I posted about 5 or 10 last year.

Its shit traffic, compared to the amount of bandwidth used, profit is lower then I care to work for. There are much more profitable ways to get sales.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sloane
Not much luck with TGP/MPG traffic Venus?


Mr.Nice Guy 02-27-2006 12:42 AM

I am making quite a bit of sales with tgp/mgp yes..

Do you have any links for pennywize/strongbox and proxypass? which one is the best? (Do they all do the same thing?)
Thanks :)

MarkTiarra 02-27-2006 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
Well,
1. How important is the domain name for branding? Since most people will be members (and be forced to remember the URL), and since most of my members will come VIA tgp/mgp submissions and blogs. Do you think it is extremely important to have a short/catchy domain name?

It can help but it's not make or break. If you are going for SE traffic at some point it helps and if you really build a brand like a Twisty it is good but it really isn't the be-all that you need to pull your hair out over.

2. Is there any type of content management system that works on a monthly lease? OR maybe there is a nice open source solution out there?

Monthly leased: http://www.toomuchmedia.com/products/carma/

3. Where should I focus my security efforts? Password cracking? DDOS? What are the main threats to my business?

NATs has a module for this too but Pennywize is decent or Strongbox.

4. If you could give me 2-5 tips, on how to improve efficiency/effectiveness, what would they be?

Effectiveness: Do one site and do it right. Do a site with content you understand and would be a fan of yourself. Everyone sees programs out there that have many sites but they often are seeing them a good deal of time into their "life." Guys like Duke and Twisty built to very significant numbers by doing a product RIGHT instead of doing alot of products just okay. I've seen it make the difference over a dozen times now.

Efficiency: Do what almost no one does in this business and write yourself a true business plan. Have goals and times to acheive them and work off of a task list with milestones. Alot of people work alot of hours in this biz but aren't really WORKING those hours. You can accomolish alot with great focus.

5. What is your average charge back ratio? Is there any way to improve this? (less charge backs)

It should hang under 1%. Keep what's on your tour easy to find in the mem area. Make it easy for members to quit so they don't have to charge back. Give them updates regularly and when you say you will. Basic common sense... what would you chargeback for?

Playa-Deak 02-27-2006 12:59 AM

*Subscribes*

venus 02-27-2006 01:07 AM

ok, but what is the profit, or are you not the one paying for the bandwidth because you have been using hosted galleries.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Nice Guy
I am making quite a bit of sales with tgp/mgp yes..


Mr.Nice Guy 02-27-2006 01:13 AM

I really appreciate all of the help I have been getting, and to the couple of guys who hit me up on ICQ.. you guys are great :)


What would you say is a good *base* of content? How often should you update?

What formats are ideal? How many different sizes should I use? How big should each video be (length)?

Thanks soo much for all of this :)


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