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03-25-2002, 08:15 AM

Confirmed - VISA Bans Bestiality

I have received official notification today.

From the memo received:

In order to strengthen the recent policy regarding lolita, peda and preteen, "VISA will extend the definition of prohibited transactions to include bestiality or the depiction of sexual acts between humans and animals."

"Acquirers are prohibited from authorizing or settling any VISA transactions that can be associated with actual or "suggested" bestiality."

"Acquirers must review all accounts classified within MCC 5967 to ensure bestiality transactions do not enter the VISA system."

"Please ensure that Visa acceptance privileges are immediately terminated for these type sites."

This policy goes into effect now, there is no grace period.

If a merchant or acquirer submits these types of transactions into the VISA system they face potential termination from the VISA program.

Again, Epoch has a zero tolerance for this type of content and will not be effected by this new rule.

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03-25-2002, 08:16 AM

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03-25-2002, 08:18 AM

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What do you think they will do? Abide by Visa's new rule of course. Duh.

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03-25-2002, 08:21 AM

Good move on VISA's part.
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03-25-2002, 08:25 AM

Censorship is never good.
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03-25-2002, 08:27 AM

VISA is but ONE processor people.... beast will live on.

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03-25-2002, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by headly669
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Interesting how many different names people other than boneprone feel it necessary to use.

My comments? Sure, I'll post them, I'm sure someone can find something to complain about in them.

While there are certain things in this industry I find questionable as to taste, I'm not the police or the censor.

I don't find it to be in anyone's best interest that Visa or any other organization besides the correct lawful ones becomes a censor either.

As Visa or any other non lawmaking or enforcing organization starts to censor what content is allowed, it simply leads them to say, hey we got away with that, maybe we should try it with this.

So next time, when it's anal, or transsexuals, or stories, or gay, or whatever they target next, just remember that it never stops with any one type of content. SOMEONE can always object to ANYTHING you put on your sites.

As for the volume of business that this particular rule will affect, the percentage is so minimal as a part of anyone's business I'll bet (I'm sure with our numbers as a matter of fact) it won't even be missed -- let me go ahead and say that since I'm sure someone will come up with the question.
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03-25-2002, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
So next time, when it's anal, or transsexuals, or stories, or gay, or whatever they target next, just remember that it never stops with any one type of content. SOMEONE can always object to ANYTHING you put on your sites.

Goddamned right KK....

Let's not see ANYONE fuckin' bitching when VISA starts shutting down the fucking teenie sites.

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03-25-2002, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Interesting how many different names people other than boneprone feel it necessary to use.

My comments? Sure, I'll post them, I'm sure someone can find something to complain about in them.

While there are certain things in this industry I find questionable as to taste, I'm not the police or the censor.

I don't find it to be in anyone's best interest that Visa or any other organization besides the correct lawful ones becomes a censor either.

As Visa or any other non lawmaking or enforcing organization starts to censor what content is allowed, it simply leads them to say, hey we got away with that, maybe we should try it with this.

I disagree - sites that are constantly pushing the limit are hurting this industry - they are brining unneccessary HEAT into our sector.

Remember Miller?
Miller's definition of obscenity by allowing that obscenity, among its other failings, lacks significant artistic value .
Even among adult webmasters I would be willing to bet that the majority believe that bestiality lacks significant artistic value - and that's the bottom line.
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03-25-2002, 08:36 AM

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Even among adult webmasters I would be willing to bet that the majority believe that bestiality lacks significant artistic value - and that's the bottom line.

hmmmm..... I think that's really a matter of personal taste there. One man's junk is another man's art.

besides.... you'd be surprised what an artist can do with even the worst material.

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03-25-2002, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by kush

I disagree - sites that are constantly pushing the limit are harding this industry - they are brining unneccessary HEAT into our sector.

Remember Miller?
Miller's definition of obscenity by allowing that obscenity, among its other failings, lacks significant artistic value .
Even among adult webmasters I would be willing to bet that the majority believe that bestiality lacks significant artistic value - and that's the bottom line.

Oh christ.

The average person would also tell you that prego, scat, fisting, and any hardcore would lack significant artistic value.

You are going to be hard pressed to convince a jury that 18 year old coed stuffing a dildo in her ass has any artistic value.
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03-25-2002, 08:38 AM

Kush,

A picture of a lady with sperm on her face lacks any artistic value as well, in my opinion..

I do agree with your point about the adult industry constantly pushing the limits.
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03-25-2002, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by [Labret]
You are going to be hard pressed to convince a jury that 18 year old coed stuffing a dildo in her ass has any artistic value.

ohhhhhh.... now that's art baby!

*drool*

*drool*

ROFL!!!! I'm laughin' with ya brutha...

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03-25-2002, 08:40 AM

Visa !!

Epoch .. do you know id this affects Visa in lets say The Netherlands ?, or Denmark ?? Bestiality isent illigal there.

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03-25-2002, 08:41 AM

No more beast?

I guess I'm going to have to delete my collection from the Boneprone Family reunion.
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03-25-2002, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by [Labret]

Oh christ.

The average person would also tell you that prego, scat, fisting, and any hardcore would lack significant artistic value.

You are going to be hard pressed to convince a jury that 18 year old coed stuffing a dildo in her ass has any artistic value.

Regardless, anyone consistently pushing the limits is bad news.

Larry Flynt agrees with me.

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03-25-2002, 08:41 AM

Sorry to disappoint you kush, but Miller is a subjective test based on the location of the prosecution.

I'd be willing to put up a hundred right now that says I can take any site before a jury in the right venue and have you convicted of obscenity before you can open your mouth to defend yourself.

As to the so-called adult webmaster community agreeing on anything, you can't manage to get a dozen of them to decide where to have dinner at a show, much less judge anything else.

Not that it matters either -- Joe Public paints all pornographers with the same brush, no matter their content or how they market it. Spammers, beastie, plain vanilla amateur, someone, actually many people, will find it obscene if you ask them.
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03-25-2002, 08:41 AM

Artistic value? Sure, i saw a transexual site last night that screamed art.

The point is, first Visa went after lolita, and everyone said good, now they are going after beast and everyone says good, next they'll go after ... something, count on it.

Hardcore? Probably not yet. Gay? Probably not yet, Teen? Very good chance. Certainly scat and watersports will be done away with soon.

Just remember, laugh now, but they'll come for your "niche" soon enough.

Do i care financially that they are doing away with beast? Nope. Will i care if they do away with teens? Yup. Thats why i oppose any censorship by visa.

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03-25-2002, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Sorry to disappoint you kush, but Miller is a subjective test based on the location of the prosecution.

I'd be willing to put up a hundred right now that says I can take any site before a jury in the right venue and have you convicted of obscenity before you can open your mouth to defend yourself.

As to the so-called adult webmaster community agreeing on anything, you can't manage to get a dozen of them to decide where to have dinner at a show, much less judge anything else.

Not that it matters either -- Joe Public paints all pornographers with the same brush, no matter their content or how they market it. Spammers, beastie, plain vanilla amateur, someone, actually many people, will find it obscene if you ask them.

I wont argue with those points, but let me ask plainly -

Do you approve of beastiality KimmyKim?
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03-25-2002, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by kush

Do you personally approve of bestiality?

Do I approve of people fucking animals? I do not care.

Do I care if an adult wants to pay some site to look at it? I really really do not care.
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03-25-2002, 08:45 AM

KK, I do agree about the censorship part being bad, but their are exceptions to all rules, Like this the bestialty issue crosses so many moral issues this is a good move, but rather than Visa just imposing this sanction I wish it would become a world wide LAW.

I do believe most people will agree, Theres only a small percentage of sites that promote this crap and of course they will be the ones whining about this.

Yes all censorship is bad, but this time it is the first step in the right direction to get rid of a nasty unnatural sex act.

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03-25-2002, 08:47 AM

Labret took the words right out of my mouth Kush.

I don't care. Never have.

It's not something that turns me on, but then again, neither does preggo, fisting, gay, transsexual, scat, watersports, should I keep going?
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03-25-2002, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by kush
Regardless, anyone consistently pushing the limits is bad news.

Are you fucking kidding me????

The reason you are sitting comfortably right now cruising this board is because people pushed the fuckin' limits.

Would you prefer to be eating raw bear meat in a dark fuckin' cave right now? Every facet of human life owes itself to creative and thinking people who weren't afraid to push the fucking limits.

Fuck limits. Limits & boundaries are for pussies & the mediocre.

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03-25-2002, 08:50 AM

I am glad there are limits. We do not tolerate rape, murder and theft - without limits as to what is acceptable the world would be a more fucked up place as it is right now. Do we want that to happen?
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03-25-2002, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by [Labret]

Do I approve of people fucking animals? I do not care.

Do I care if an adult wants to pay some site to look at it? I really really do not care.

Do you honestly believe the animals want to be fucked?
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03-25-2002, 08:52 AM

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Are you fucking kidding me????

The reason you are sitting comfortably right now cruising this board is because people pushed the fuckin' limits.

Would you prefer to be eating raw bear meat in a dark fuckin' cave right now? Every facet of human life owes itself to creative and thinking people who weren't afraid to push the fucking limits.

Fuck limits. Limits & boundaries are for pussies & the mediocre.

Limits can only be pushed so far Amp - if you blow up a balloon enough it's going to burst - sites pushing beastiality, staged rape/mutilations may be pushing us towards that bursting point.

Before Sept. 11th the gov was planning a big crackdown on porn - but the WTC changed all that, but who knows for how long. It's better to be prepared then to be caught off guard and totally fucked. I stand with my opinion.
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03-25-2002, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Dualcpu
I am glad there are limits. We do not tolerate rape, murder and theft - without limits as to what is acceptable the world would be a more fucked up place as it is right now. Do we want that to happen?

Do you think you could do what you do now, 50 years ago? You would be in jail. But people like larry flynt pushed the limits. Just because horse fucking doesnt turn you on, doesn't mean a line should be drawn in the sand. Cause everytime a line is drawn, people keep moving it.

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03-25-2002, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Do you honestly believe the animals want to be fucked?

Do you eat meat of any kind?

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03-25-2002, 08:54 AM

world wide LAW.

cum on that will never happen. Beast love is legal in several european countries!

I don't like it personally but any1 getting a hard on by fucking a mouze...... go for it

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03-25-2002, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Do you honestly believe the animals want to be fucked?

LOL - this doesn't help my case but anyone who's ever had a dog hump their leg might think otherwise!

Seriously though, my points have merit and many people share my views - you can't disagree with that.
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03-25-2002, 08:56 AM

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I am glad there are limits. We do not tolerate rape, murder and theft - without limits as to what is acceptable the world would be a more fucked up place as it is right now. Do we want that to happen?

okay.... a little common sense is required here....

Nor would I classify those as *limits*... those are laws agreed upon by the majority of the population of the planet for obvious reasons. Not somebody's personal preferences. And need I remind you that they are broken on a daily basis.

BTW..... the world already IS a pretty fucked up place.... it always has been... stop kidding yourself. The world is not, and never has been, an episode of the Brady Bunch.

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03-25-2002, 08:58 AM

I guess I could have emailed support about this. But I see ccbill rep on here, so I will just ask now.

As someone who runs a beast site, and has a significant amount of money tied up in recurrings, when can we expect to lose our ability to process FOR GOOD with ccbill? And what will happen with rebills? If we find a new processor can we transfer our member database?

To those who find this a good ruling.

You think beast is just gooing to go away now?

We can still take checks and when surfers are forced to only pay with checks for beast, THEY WILL pay with a check. Then we also have dialers, web900, and I am positive that a new Dutch processor is coming along to make a killing in the beast market. Whomever picks up beast processing, just picked up a few million a year, easy.

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03-25-2002, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Gary

Do you think you could do what you do now, 50 years ago? You would be in jail. But people like larry flynt pushed the limits. Just because horse fucking doesnt turn you on, doesn't mean a line should be drawn in the sand. Cause everytime a line is drawn, people keep moving it.

Well Gary, you tell me then - where do we draw the line?
Where do we draw the line when it comes to crime?
Lines are essential.
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03-25-2002, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by BeastieGirl

Beast is not gone. Just slapped around a little

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03-25-2002, 09:00 AM

Beastiegirl -- Our clients are notified of changes to their accounts via email to the contact email you have on file with us. CCBill doesn't, and won't be in the future, using public message boards to relay information to our clients.

I would suggest making sure that your contact information on your account is accurate as well.
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03-25-2002, 09:01 AM

Man .. what a fucking bunch of uncle Tom's and mother Taresa's !!

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03-25-2002, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by kush

Seriously though, my points have merit and many people share my views - you can't disagree with that.

You can always find some halfwit to agree with you.

Hitler had a pretty easy time. Alot of people agree with Pat Robertson, does not make it right.
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03-25-2002, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Dualcpu

Well Gary, you tell me then - where do we draw the line?
Where do we draw the line when it comes to crime?
Lines are essential.

We draw the line on laws. Not ambiguous laws like obscenity, but REAL laws, like rape, murder, etc...

Anything else is censorship and bullshit.

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03-25-2002, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Do you honestly believe the animals want to be fucked?

Do you honestly believe the proverbial 18 year old stepping off the bus to take a facial cumshot from some fatfuck sleazy photographer REALLY wants to be fucked and have some scummy prick spew on her face?

I agree with KK and [Labret] on this...wait til they come fro your niche...

And the reason we make money in this business is by pushing envelopes! that IS the porn business...why do think Hustler and Penthouse had to "harden" their content? competition from late night cable..."the mainstreaming" of porn...

...but, hey you go back to being safe and secure and moral...as for morality...I want to thank those brave souls here who want to be my moral savior....how Jesus-like of you....

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03-25-2002, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Wiredoctor
KK, I do agree about the censorship part being bad, but their are exceptions to all rules, Like this the bestialty issue crosses so many moral issues this is a good move, but rather than Visa just imposing this sanction I wish it would become a world wide LAW.

I do believe most people will agree, Theres only a small percentage of sites that promote this crap and of course they will be the ones whining about this.

Yes all censorship is bad, but this time it is the first step in the right direction to get rid of a nasty unnatural sex act.

Very good points...I agree.
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03-25-2002, 09:07 AM

can I get a show of hands of the pot smokers here?

did you know that smoking pot is...gasp...illegal in the States???

so, would everyone trying to be my moral police while breaking the laws of the United States please take a step back...thank you....

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03-25-2002, 09:07 AM

Animals cant talk, 18 year old sluts can.. I am glad its considered animal cruelty here in canada and you go away for a good amount of time.... didnt realize how many sick fucks there were out in this world, let alone the GFY board
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03-25-2002, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Beastiegirl -- Our clients are notified of changes to their accounts via email to the contact email you have on file with us. CCBill doesn't, and won't be in the future, using public message boards to relay information to our clients.

I would suggest making sure that your contact information on your account is accurate as well.

Ok, have received nothing as of yet.

Can we expect to receive some kind of notification today?

Our IBill rep told us only 3 sites were on the Visa target list, I am confused by that.
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03-25-2002, 09:08 AM

BeastieGirl & Beastiality Rocks, its funny how when this topic starts you just appear on the board for the first time...LOLOL
those sure happen to be some appropriate names for this topic??...
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03-25-2002, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

Do you honestly believe the proverbial 18 year old stepping off the bus to take a facial cumshot from some fatfuck sleazy photographer REALLY wants to be fucked and have some scummy prick spew on her face?

Do we really WANT to sit in front of a computer and code away? Do we WANT to work hard? Hell no, but we WANT the money, as does the "proverbial 18 year old" .

Humans are the only living creatures that engage in sex for pleasure [Learning Channel 2002]. Did the animal sign a fucking release form? I highly doubt it. Therefore it's not consensual and WRONG.
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03-25-2002, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by kush

Limits can only be pushed so far Amp - if you blow up a balloon enough it's going to burst -

then you reinvent the fucking balloon so it can go farther.

remember several years ago when they said they had absolutely reached the limits of what chips can do in terms of compute speed?

hmmm... so much for that fuckin' limit.... the balloon burst, so they reinvented the fucking balloon.

Howard Stern..... radio would not be what it is today without people like him pushing the limits of what's acceptable & possible every single day.

Harley Davidson. Put a superbike engine in a streetbike design. It didn't work.... the balloon burst. They reinvented the fucking balloon. Completely new frame and dynamics to MAKE IT WORK. Why? They didn't have to.... "fuck it.... we've reached the limit".... yeah... maybe so.... but Willie didn't see it that way.

I could list examples all day long..... but the point it, once you accept that there is a limit you can't get past.... you're no longer an asset to the human race. You are a follower. Welcome to the family of sheep.

If someone puts a limit on me.... I will break it for no other reason other than to prove that I can. Sometimes doing that requires some seriously creative solutions.... but there's always a way.

And no.... I'm not talking about murder, rape, etc.... blah blah blah... let's not delve into the ridiculous.

So.... I guess we're resigned to allowing VISA to be our censor now....

nice....

man... I hope they don't decide to stop processing for suggestive clothing they don't agree with.... food they don't like..... violent video games.... explicit music..... scary movies.... creative hairstyles.....

oh, but that's just silly.... that would never happen.

would it.

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03-25-2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
can I get a show of hands of the pot smokers here?

did you know that smoking pot is...gasp...illegal in the States???

so, would everyone trying to be my moral police while breaking the laws of the United States please take a step back...thank you....

We choose to smoke pot - animals don't choose to be fucked.
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03-25-2002, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Animals cant talk, 18 year old sluts can.. I am glad its considered animal cruelty here in canada and you go away for a good amount of time.... didnt realize how many sick fucks there were out in this world, let alone the GFY board

This board is starting to look like a hangout for bestiality site owners ;-)

Oh well this whole discussion will go on for many more years.
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03-25-2002, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Animals cant talk, 18 year old sluts can.. I am glad its considered animal cruelty here in canada and you go away for a good amount of time.... didnt realize how many sick fucks there were out in this world, let alone the GFY board

You know, you make the worst points ever for your side of the argument.

I don't like beastiality either, but arguing against it based on whether the animal can talk or wants to get fucked is...ehhh...not very useful.

And actually, I think I've changed my mind about the beasty shit. I don't do drugs either, but I think they should be legalized. Same with the beast stuff I guess. Might as well be consistent and let people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

I still think it's sick, though. The chicks who let themselves get fucked by horses, and the people who pay to see it should all kill themselves and stop wasting valuable oxygen that could be put to better use some other way.

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03-25-2002, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by FATPad

You know, you make the worst points ever for your side of the argument.

I don't like beastiality either, but arguing against it based on whether the animal can talk or wants to get fucked is...ehhh...not very useful.

And actually, I think I've changed my mind about the beasty shit. I don't do drugs either, but I think they should be legalized. Same with the beast stuff I guess. Might as well be consistent and let people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

I still think it's sick, though. The chicks who let themselves get fucked by horses, and the people who pay to see it should all kill themselves and stop wasting valuable oxygen that could be put to better use some other way.

I wouldnt call what i posted as arguments, more like common sense.. You guys see it as censorship, boo fucking hoo, we have to draw the line somewhere, Whats your stance on CP then? must be acceptable too then right? people who fuck animals and people who fuck kids are both fucking things that dont want it
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