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The Truth Hurts 11-09-2005 08:32 PM

guns banned in san fran...?
 
i guess the constitution doesn't apply there.

The Truth Hurts 11-09-2005 08:33 PM

oops.. forgot the article..

San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban

Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and
urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out
military recruiters.

The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and
ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep
handguns in their homes or businesses.

Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have
implemented such sweeping handgun bans.

With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters
backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it.

Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require
weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners
would have to surrender their firearms by April.

A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to
challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the
authority to regulate firearms under California law.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 11-09-2005 08:46 PM

It is unconstitutional and will never stand.

DateDoc 11-09-2005 08:47 PM

Welcome to yesterday :)
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/538184-hand-guns-outlawed-san-francisco.html

AmateurFlix 11-09-2005 08:47 PM

I sincerely doubt they're going to be able to enforce that

Sly 11-09-2005 08:49 PM

Gay marriage, yes. Gun ownership, no.

QuaWee 11-09-2005 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly
Gay marriage, yes. Gun ownership, no.

Gay marriage doesn't kill people

Sly 11-09-2005 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee
Gay marriage doesn't kill people

The state of Kentucky says different.

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:23 PM

You have to wonder about a country that lets an 18 year old buy a large calibre hand gun but won't allow him to legally drink lite beer.

LOL

latinasojourn 11-09-2005 09:24 PM

yeah, the jigs in cow palace and the western addition will certainly turn in their firearms.

the problem with this sort of deal everytime is that law abiding people get rid of their guns, and criminals keep them.

solves nothing.

as chris rock says; "if you want to stop people from shooting one another make the bullets $10,000 each"

then folks will think about whether someone is worth killing.

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
You have to wonder about a country that lets an 18 year old buy a large calibre hand gun but won't allow him to legally drink lite beer.

LOL

The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Once again someone who has never spent more than 30 days in the US likes to think they know the laws :winkwink:

If I were a criminal, I'd be hitting up the houses in SF on 4/1/06 :thumbsup

Sly 11-09-2005 09:32 PM

Now here is some interesting reading...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/05/national/05gun.html
Quote:

Should it succeed in banning handguns, it would join big cities like Washington, which banned handgun ownership in 1976, and Chicago, which in 1982 banned manufacture, sale and possession of handguns, but grandfathered in guns owned when the ordinance went into effect. Chicago has since banned the sale of ammunition.
http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm
Quote:

Chicago ended 2002 with 647 homicides, 3% fewer than in 2001. Of the 2002 Chicago homicides, 511 (or 79%) were shot to death with a firearm.

sonofsam 11-09-2005 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee
Gay marriage doesn't kill people

what if they have a crazy wedding and fire rocket propelled grenades in the air as some type of crazy gay marriage celebration?

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Oh with certain circumstances..... :1orglaugh ... and what would they be?

And which states are you referring to?

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
Oh with certain circumstances..... :1orglaugh ... and what would they be?

And which states are you referring to?

Google is your friend, Joe! :thumbsup

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:37 PM

Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Seek and ye shall find, my little US Hater :)

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches
Google is your friend, Joe! :thumbsup

I think you're making it up Peaches.

Maybe they can have a lite beer at their 18th birthday party when they open up their gift wrapped .45. :1orglaugh

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
I think you're making it up Peaches.

Care to make a wager on that? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Sly 11-09-2005 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Seek and ye shall find, my little US Hater :)

I've been in a bar a few times with my dad and had a few beers. I was 16 the first time.

Sly 11-09-2005 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
I think you're making it up Peaches.

Nope, its true.

Someone in California wouldn't get away with it, but in other states its definitely possible.

aico 11-09-2005 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
The "country" doesn't make the drinking laws. And there are many states in the US which allow drinking under 21 with certain circumstances.

Once again someone who has never spent more than 30 days in the US likes to think they know the laws :winkwink:

If I were a criminal, I'd be hitting up the houses in SF on 4/1/06 :thumbsup

Actually, they sort of did. States can have an 18 year old drinking age but will forfeit government funding if they do..., so although it's not a "law" they make it so states really don't have a choice.

The Truth Hurts 11-09-2005 09:41 PM

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/ima...inimum_age.gif

Sly 11-09-2005 09:42 PM

And now that I think of it, one of the neighboring cities of my hometown was a HUGE college town, pretty good school too. The seniors from my high school would go there on weekends to drink because they were 18 and could. Now the actual legality of everything I'm not quite sure, but "21" was not the enforced drinking age.

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aico
Actually, they sort of did. States can have an 18 year old drinking age but will forfeit government funding if they do..., so although it's not a "law" they make it so states really don't have a choice.

Again, you might want to read up on it :thumbsup

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The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 required all states to raise their minimum purchase and public possession of alcohol age to 21. States that did not comply faced a reduction in highway funds under the Federal Highway Aid Act.... It does not prohibit persons under 21 (also called youth or minors) from drinking. The term "public possession" is strictly defined and does not apply to possession for the following:

* An established religious purpose, when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian age 21 or older
* Medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital or medical institution
* In private clubs or establishments
* In the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer.? 1

Many of the states that have chosen to specifically prohibit alcohol consumption by those under age 21 have a variety of exceptions. For example,

Some States allow an exception for consumption when a family member consents and/or is present. States vary widely in terms of which relatives may consent or must be present for this exception to apply and in what circumstances the exception applies. Sometimes a reference is made simply to "family" or "family member" without further elaboration.

....

Some States allow an exception for consumption on private property. States vary in the extent of the private property exception which may extend to all private locations, private residences only, or in the home of a parent or guardian only. In some jurisdictions, the location exception is conditional on the presence and/or consent of the parent, legal guardian, or legal-age spouse.

Some States also allow exceptions for educational purposes (e.g., students in culinary schools), religious purposes (e.g., sacramental use of alcoholic beverages), or medical purposes. 2

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
Here's a hint - here in GA I can legally give a minor alcohol in my house. In FL we were drinking wine in my church run school starting in the 7th grade.

Oh gee, how lucky. Ya gotta love those special circumstances. :1orglaugh

Now let me know when an 18 year old can actually BUY lite beer.

Trust an 18 year old with a .45 but not a beer.... ya sure got your priorities straight aintcha Peaches.

Sly 11-09-2005 09:46 PM

Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
Oh gee, how lucky. Ya gotta love those special circumstances. :1orglaugh

Now let me know when an 18 year old can actually BUY lite beer.

Trust an 18 year old with a .45 but not a beer.... ya sure got your priorities straight aintcha Peaches.

Poor Joe - once again got his ass handed to him when he tried to act like he knew the laws of a country he spent a week in a couple of years ago. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I said "special circumstances" in my very first reply. You're the one who said I made it up. And you are the one who said an 18 year old couldn't legally drink a lite beer and I proved you wrong. Run along now, Joey. :thumbsup

AmateurFlix 11-09-2005 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

The US is doing something right if it's keeping that idiot on the other side of the planet.

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
Poor Joe - once again got his ass handed to him when he tried to act like he knew the laws of a country he spent a week in a couple of years ago. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I said "special circumstances" in my very first reply. You're the one who said I made it up. And you are the one who said an 18 year old couldn't legally drink a lite beer and I proved you wrong. Run along now, Joey. :thumbsup


An 18 year old being able to drink a lite beer in a redneck shack in Georgia doesn't mean squat. Can you buy it? No. Can you buy a .45? Yes.

So yeah, thanks for playing. :1orglaugh

aico 11-09-2005 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches
Again, you might want to read up on it :thumbsup

And you may want to look of the definition of "sort of"...

sort of
adv : to some (great or small) extent;

Joe Citizen 11-09-2005 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Joe surely Australia can't be perfect. We already get it that you don't like our laws. Thats fine, don't move here. I don't see anyone in this thread calling the US perfect.

Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

Peaches 11-09-2005 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico
And you may want to look of the definition of "sort of"...

sort of
adv : to some (great or small) extent;

Agreed - my mistake! :upsidedow

Sly 11-09-2005 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

I can't really argue with that. I have no problem with 18 year olds buying beer. I also know WHY they initially created the laws, which I can understand, but still don't quite agree with.

ronbotx 11-09-2005 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts
i guess the constitution doesn't apply there.

The NRA is on the case:

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6839

Rob 11-09-2005 10:07 PM

Wow, crazy fags.

je_rome 11-10-2005 08:45 PM

and to think Gov. Arnie is The Terminator.

baddog 11-10-2005 09:01 PM

it will get overturned . . . again

com 11-10-2005 09:03 PM

I will carry as happy as can be all through that stupid city

bringer 11-10-2005 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
Just pointing out something i see as absurd.

When an 18 year old can buy a .45 and not a lite beer well that strikes me as a little fucked up.

you dont even live in this country so why are you commenting on it? 21 is the legal age to buy a handgun, not 18. sorry, you lose.

com 11-10-2005 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer
you dont even live in this country so why are you commenting on it? 21 is the legal age to buy a handgun, not 18. sorry, you lose.

you can posess and own a handgun at 18 though you can't buy one. :)


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