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graphical x 10-24-2005 08:18 PM

Has evolution been completely proven?
 
Or does it remain a theory? Why not LAW of evolution? Like the Law of Physics, etc?

Young 10-24-2005 08:21 PM

Hey it beats Creationism any day when it comes to logic....so as far as I'm concerned its been proven.

kaori 10-24-2005 09:17 PM

For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

Rob 10-24-2005 09:18 PM

Yes. It is now a fact.

AmigoPorn 10-24-2005 09:27 PM

Evolution means slow change.
To prove evolution on a laboratory you're gonna need many millions of years.

DaddyHalbucks 10-24-2005 09:29 PM

The theory of evolution is proven, and re-proven. The fossil records prove it, the living animals prove it, and the DNA proves it.

All the pieces to the billion year old natural history puzzle haven't been found yet --but most of the major rules, and some of the big events, are known.

Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

blazi 10-24-2005 09:34 PM

we have enough laws to confuse ourselves with

Fletch XXX 10-24-2005 09:36 PM

You can always tell who didnt finish highschool and definitely never attended a college course on this board.

poorwebmaster 10-24-2005 09:36 PM

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je_rome 10-24-2005 09:59 PM

yes, evolution has already been proven since Darwin proposed this theory..it beats the genesis version anyway.

I Fucked Her 10-24-2005 10:39 PM

Who cares ? One day or another we will still die :)

Splum 10-24-2005 10:40 PM

Yes just look at all the slimeball slugs on here...

Just kiddding people!

CC 10-24-2005 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kaori
For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

Then what do you call Lucy?

DomC 10-24-2005 10:56 PM

whoa boy....

you can not "prove it," like say Netwon's laws of mechanics...
or search for evidence that might prove a cohesive theory string theory in quantum physics...

you can get a magic eight-ball answer "all signs lead to yes..."

jayeff 10-24-2005 11:00 PM

The number of observations which confirm the concept of evolution is overwhelming. But I'm not sure that can amount to "proof" so long as there is still disagreement among scientists as to the precise mechanism involved in evolution.

kaori 10-24-2005 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CC
Then what do you call Lucy?

last I read, there wasn't enough of her skull to actually determine what she is...
other than she doesn't seem to be a true ancestor of humans ;)

sextoyking 10-24-2005 11:05 PM

Well said...

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Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

graphical x 10-24-2005 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
You can always tell who didnt finish highschool and definitely never attended a college course on this board.

Critical thinking is the highest form of thinking. I like to question things before I 'believe' in it. Your ad hominem attacks seem to suggest your own feelings of mental inferiority. :1orglaugh

gideongallery 10-25-2005 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks
The theory of evolution is proven, and re-proven. The fossil records prove it, the living animals prove it, and the DNA proves it.

All the pieces to the billion year old natural history puzzle haven't been found yet --but most of the major rules, and some of the big events, are known.

Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.

unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

gideongallery 10-25-2005 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking
Well said...

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Creationism is now called "Intelligent Design," that's the latest marketing spin on an absurd idea that only modern Luddites believe.


Quote:

How it Happened (by Issiac Asimov)
My brother began to dictate in his best oratorical style, the one which has the tribes hanging on his words.

"In the beginning," he said, "exactly fifteen point two billion years ago, there was a big bang and the Universe--"

But I had stopped writing. "Fifteen billion years ago?" I said incredulously.

"Absolutely," he said. "I'm inspired."

"I don't question your inspiration," I said. (I had better not. He's three years younger than I am, but I don't try questioning his inspiration. Neither does anyone else or there's hell to pay.) "But are you going to tell the story of the Creation over a period of fifteen billion years?"

"I have to," said my brother. "That's how long it took. I have it all in here," he tapped his forehead, "and it's on the very highest authority."

By now I had put down my stylus. "Do you know the price of papyrus?" I said.

"What?" (He may be inspired but I frequently noticed that the inspiration didn't include such sordid matters as the price of papyrus.)

I said, "Suppose you describe one million years of events to each roll of papyrus. That means you'll have to fill fifteen thousand rolls. You'll have to talk long enough to fill them and you know that you begin to stammer after a while. I'll have to write enough to fill them and my fingers will fall off. And even if we can afford all that papyrus and you have the voice and I have the strength, who's going to copy it? We've got to have a guarantee of a hundred copies before we can publish and without that where will we get royalties from?"

My brother thought awhile. He said, "You think I ought to cut it down?"

"Way down," I said, "if you expect to reach the public."

"How about a hundred years?" he said.

"How about six days?" I said.

He said horrified, "You can't squeeze Creation into six days."

I said, "This is all the papyrus I have. What do you think?"

"Oh, well," he said, and began to dictate again, "In the beginning-- Does it have to be six days, Aaron?"

I said, firmly, "Six days, Moses."
There are a lot of highly respected scientist and professional people believe that God created the universe (including Albert Einstein). This belief/theory is what Creationism ('inteligent design') truly is.

dozey 10-25-2005 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery
unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

In the mean time, it sure beats an unexplained benevolent force / entity "creating" everything. Though if you put evolution and "intelligent design" side by side, it becomes pretty clear which one sounds like unfounded rubbish.

Joe Citizen 10-25-2005 12:26 AM

It's funny watching all the scientifically illiterate, god created everything, blissfully ignorant monkey's coming out to play...

The bottom line is there is not one single objection to evolution that hasn't been discredited and responded to dozens of times... by these idiots just never give up. :1orglaugh

rickholio 10-25-2005 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery
unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

That is precisely what is studied on a daily basis. However, those studies take place on organisms that exist in extremely large populations, with very short lifespans, so as to exaggerate the effects.

It's called 'culturing'. Biologists study the evolution and mutation of bacteria and various single-celled organisms constantly.

Basically, the ID brigade have all said "Okay, fine, we give up. Evolution is real... but a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE designed it!" with the obvious implicaiton that the higher intelligence is supposed to be God.

Of course, it goes right back to the same primate insticts where primitive man was convinced that angry sky gods cause the heavens to crack open and cry tears of anger. Water from the sky, the gods are angry! Run Grok, hide in the cave! Nggganaaahhh!

rickholio 10-25-2005 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Citizen
It's funny watching all the scientifically illiterate, god created everything, blissfully ignorant monkey's coming out to play...

The bottom line is there is not one single objection to evolution that hasn't been discredited and responded to dozens of times... by these idiots just never give up. :1orglaugh

In many cases, I've started to encourage them.

No, seriously. The economy ain't that shit hot to begin with. The less GOOD competition, the better. Let the peons cling to their belief as a substitute for reason... I'll be walking away with their money, their jobs, or both. :winkwink:

Hey ID guys! I bet God thinks that... uh... MATH is all bullshit too! Most of our math today is either from arabs or 'old europe' anyways! Run with it! :thumbsup :1orglaugh

cspdinc 10-25-2005 01:12 AM

I heard a TV pastor say the other nite that dinosour fossils where PLACED there by god for us to find and the world is still only a few thousand years old.. Yeah right,

Victor-E 10-25-2005 01:18 AM

It's funny how we all become curious about god and evolution only AFTER we get tired of masturbating.

jojojo 10-25-2005 01:23 AM

its just as hard to believe that there was a big bang and this world/planet was spontaneously created and then we evolved into what we are and there is no higher power involved and life is completely useless... no purpose at all... we are just highly evolved mammals who eat sleep shit then die. no afterlife no nothing. consume fuck die thats it - its all coincidence.

as it is to believe that God created everything.

I went to this thing called Alpha and basically the authenticity of the bible etc has been validated in many ways etc...

I'm not saying that I believe 100% in either theory but I agree each theory is pretty hard to believe.

I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set :) You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain... :2 cents:

aico 10-25-2005 01:32 AM

If you made evolution a law, there would be too many arrests.

rickholio 10-25-2005 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jojojo
I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set :) You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain... :2 cents:

Unless you don't consider either
a) giving up your free will and living a lifetime of guilt and servitude, or
b) living a life of 100% pure hypocrisy
... to be 'something to lose'. :2 cents:

devilspost 10-25-2005 03:03 AM

Majority of Americans Reject Theory of Evolution

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/ar...24100409990019

51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.

devilspost 10-25-2005 03:09 AM

Chyna's clit evolved :thumbsup
http://www.devilsdesign.com/cynaclit.jpg

gideongallery 10-25-2005 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dozey
In the mean time, it sure beats an unexplained benevolent force / entity "creating" everything. Though if you put evolution and "intelligent design" side by side, it becomes pretty clear which one sounds like unfounded rubbish.

Actually you should be saying that if you put evolution theory (darwinism) and Genisis theory (biblism) against each other both have critical flaws.

Darwin's theory of evolution when first created was predicated on an assumption that God does not exist. The purpose evolution was to explain how we came into being by truly random events.

both Biblism and Darwinism are dependent on you ignoring the universe as a whole to establish their validity.

Biblism ignore all history which contradicts concept that God waved his hands and created the earth in 6 days.

Darwinism ignores the fact that it is statistically impossible (1:16.7 billion) that the "big bang" not only made carbon the dominate element but threw off the exact amount that would allow intelligent life to form (to much or to little and we have a universe where pond scum is the only life that exists)

sacX 10-25-2005 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery
Actually you should be saying that if you put evolution theory (darwinism) and Genisis theory (biblism) against each other both have critical flaws.

Darwin's theory of evolution when first created was predicated on an assumption that God does not exist. The purpose evolution was to explain how we came into being by truly random events.

both Biblism and Darwinism are dependent on you ignoring the universe as a whole to establish their validity.

Biblism ignore all history which contradicts concept that God waved his hands and created the earth in 6 days.

Darwinism ignores the fact that it is statistically impossible (1:16.7 billion) that the "big bang" not only made carbon the dominate element but threw off the exact amount that would allow intelligent life to form (to much or to little and we have a universe where pond scum is the only life that exists)

Darwin doesn't address how life started it addresses how life evolved once started. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

Also to say that it is purely random is ignoring a whole part of the theory. Yes mutations the raw material of evolution are random, but the strength of the theory of evolution is natural selection, the fittest organisms in an environment are those most likely to reproduce and continue. If the environment changes then different characteristics are selected for.

The Bible has critical flaws because you can't prove that it is false. If you find a critical flaw in Darwin's theory then you'll win the next Nobel prize in science. No one with an ounce of credibility has been able to find a *critical flaw* in evolution, in spite of over a century of trying. Remember when Darwin wrote this book we didn't even know about chromosomes and DNA and these huge advances in science could have easily discredited Darwin's work and shown us a new way. All they have done is reinforced his ideas in GRANITE.

The beauty of science is that theories often have a short lifespan, someone comes along and proves something convincingly wrong and the theory falls apart. Maybe this will one day happen to evolution too, but we've been waiting almost 150 years.

munki 10-25-2005 03:46 AM

Wasn't this covered in Evolution Schmevolution on The Daily Show a while back?

Paul Waters 10-25-2005 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaori
For humans, it's still a theory.. there's that pesky 'missing link'

It's living in the white house.

xclusive 10-25-2005 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Waters
It's living in the white house.

lol good point

gideongallery 10-25-2005 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacX
Darwin doesn't address how life started it addresses how life evolved once started. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

Also to say that it is purely random is ignoring a whole part of the theory. Yes mutations the raw material of evolution are random, but the strength of the theory of evolution is natural selection, the fittest organisms in an environment are those most likely to reproduce and continue. If the environment changes then different characteristics are selected for.

The Bible has critical flaws because you can't prove that it is false. If you find a critical flaw in Darwin's theory then you'll win the next Nobel prize in science. No one with an ounce of credibility has been able to find a *critical flaw* in evolution, in spite of over a century of trying. Remember when Darwin wrote this book we didn't even know about chromosomes and DNA and these huge advances in science could have easily discredited Darwin's work and shown us a new way. All they have done is reinforced his ideas in GRANITE.

The beauty of science is that theories often have a short lifespan, someone comes along and proves something convincingly wrong and the theory falls apart. Maybe this will one day happen to evolution too, but we've been waiting almost 150 years.

You missed the point completely the enviroment that allows natural selection is statistically impossible. Increase or decrease the percentage (1.3 % high side) of carbon created by the big bang and environment prevents the evolution of anything greater that single celled organisms.


your doing the same thing Darwin did, ignoring the universe as a whole to validate your prefered theory.

DaddyHalbucks 10-25-2005 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojojo
its just as hard to believe that there was a big bang and this world/planet was spontaneously created and then we evolved into what we are and there is no higher power involved and life is completely useless... no purpose at all... we are just highly evolved mammals who eat sleep shit then die. no afterlife no nothing. consume fuck die thats it - its all coincidence.

as it is to believe that God created everything.

I went to this thing called Alpha and basically the authenticity of the bible etc has been validated in many ways etc...

I'm not saying that I believe 100% in either theory but I agree each theory is pretty hard to believe.

I also know that if you believe in god and there turns out there IS a god you are set :) You might as well believe in god since you have nothing to lose and everything to gain... :2 cents:

Afterlife is just man's vanity. That's all it is. And religion is just a phony bribe for that vanity.

Creationism and Intelligent Design are not properly theories. Theories are backed up by logic and facts. Creationism and Intelligent Design are faith and dogma based, not science/ fact/ logic based.

You have alot to lose. If you live your life for some phony hereafter that never happens --you will have wasted your life.

DaddyHalbucks 10-25-2005 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilspost
Majority of Americans Reject Theory of Evolution

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/ar...24100409990019

51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.


I'm delighted to report that I am in the elite 15 percent.

DaddyHalbucks 10-25-2005 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery
unfortunately as any person who has taken high school science class will tell you fossil records, living animals and DNA are not proof of evolution they are imperical evidence which support the theory.

The only valid proof would be observing the changes in a species over time.
So until time travel is invented evolution will never be proven.

By your restrictive definition, can ANYTHING be proven?


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