Kick Out The Illegals...Homeland Security Chief Says
 

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/1....u9fj2ynj.html

Okay, this is a BOLD statement from Chertoff. He says they can get efficient at it in a year but how? If he starts to enforce this shit watch the sparks fly.

They saw that video on the interweb of the curly headed guy picking up illegals and dropping them off at the INS office.

They are now planing on hiring 50 guys with curly hair to go out looking for illegals.

sweeeeet :1orglaugh

The price of produce would sky rocket.
Labor costs to dry wall a room would suck.
Good burritos would be hard to find.
etc.
etc.
etc.

Wow... bold statement indeed !

Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Taking away mexicans is like shutting down the power company.

To depended on the mexcian resource. It's too late, mexicans are here to stay. Expecially in California. Los Angeles, San Diego, San Fransico etc. People have a hard time facing it.

That guy is an idiot. And the article only mentions the Cubans that cna not be touched. It did not mention the people from other countries that have TPS. temporary protection status. That means that they can NOT be deported.

And I can not wait until that IDIOT is paying 15$ for a pint of strawberries.

Deporting all of them is not the answer.

He ain't just talkin' bout Mexicans bro'. He's talkin' everybody. This will cause a nightmare as smugglers, forgers, slave traders will get desperate. Shortage of cheap hookers will send prices sky high. Travel overseas will increase. Body movers will charge their victims 10x as much to smuggle them into the country.

I don't think produce prices will go up. The money we spend processing illegals and educating them and paying for their health and police etc. will flood back into the mainstream lowering costs.

It's a tricky situation which we should be humane about. That's the bottom line, being humane.

Now, if those illegals and other countries dependent on the U.S. really wanted citizenship they would watch a movie called "The Mouse That Roared".

Any old timers and Peter Sellers fans know what I'm talking about. :winkwink:

They need to get people jobs in New Orleans-
However ,I was watching a special about how many apts are available in NO but can't be leased because the government has protected all the renters property - even though thousands of people have left NO and not called or come back to survey their damage, these poor landlords can't rent out their properties to people who want to work.

It's a real mess down there -
Not too mention our border security is a joke.
These Minutemen have definitely raised America's consciousness to the problem with the border.

The government is allowing white men to hunt illegals for all intents and purposes- while they say they condemn it, I bet they love the fact that they have vigilantes helping to guard us from unwanted terrorists who can cross the border.

Curly haired guy?

Illegals?

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" I bet they love the fact that they have vigilantes helping to guard us from unwanted terrorists who can cross the border. "

Sorry to say, but the unwanted terrorists came into the US with a Visa. They wont come in illegal. Too risky!

It won't happen

Take a visit to the San Joaquin Valley

Go to the borders of Mexico. Ask for stories about border crossers. They've had worse than minutemen and they still cross. You would'nt believe the stories. It's unstoppable.

As for all other illegal immigrants, that just adds to the immpossible.

Not to mention I'd be one pissed chicano if they sent my parents back to Mexico, Cuba, etc.

Actually prices would not go up for anything. If all the illegal Mexicans were forced out of the country, it would leave all the low paying jobs for the unemployed black people in America.

Recently, Vincent Fox, president of Mexico, stated that Mexicans do what Black Americans won't for jobs. Funny thing was Al Sharpton agreed. Black American's egos are too big for them to work low paying wages. Do you ever see a black person standing in front of Home Depot looking for daily work? No, they rather rob and steal than work for a day.

start with all the illegal gang members

Who is going to pick the lettuce? work in the restaurants? the poultry plants? They never think this shit thru.

This would have a dramatic effect on certain key sectors of the economy. I wonder how it will play out.

Not too many mexicans here. Only at the beef packing plants in the state is there a bigger hispanic population.

Agreed, but I still want them all out.... L.A. would be a ghost town....

Exactly. The 2 tier US labor system for skilled / unskilled labor and the latter's dependence on incoming foreign labor will definitely complicate any attempts to address any immigration issues. GW Bush has proposed a guest worker program since it dissects the issue on a legal basis. Unfortunately, the immigration issue is discussed on a 'take it or leave it' basis as evidenced by Chertoff's premise. :2 cents:

I agree start with the mexican criminals, not guys who stand by walmart looking for honest work, seems backwards; although wtf are they doing in the your country in the first place.. It's a strange issue for me.

send them chicas to me, I'll take care of them

We have to stop targeting just Central and S. America immigrants. It's not like they're the only immigrants committing crimes. Believe you me, I've met far more vicious criminals from the UK who snuck in via Canada.

It's just the sheer numbers are greater from the Central and S. American regions.

Bottom line is the Homeland Security stuff is horseshit as long as the borders are wide open. You and I can't open a bank account or withdraw certain amounts of cash from our own accounts without every cop and Batman on our asses but tens of thousands of people just stroll in. It's a major outpoint of incompetence and negligence to say the least.

Yet this is a humane issue. What might end up happening is by keeping the central and southern Americans holed up in Mexico they might just learn self sufficience enough to build up that region into quite the tourist attraction. Asia is doing this FAST. People are flocking to Asia for medical treatment they wouldn't be able to afford here. Now with this Bird Flu shit spreading into Europe it's only a matter of time before flights are stopped as well as sea faring shipping getting shut down til the danger is handled.

This winter may end up being the straw that broke the camel's back. If this new hurricane Wilma gets going or another one hits hard we're fucked. Not to mention the winter storms. We have to hope the weather is kind tween now and next spring. We're running out of money for rescuing people fast.

We need to keep that into account and form a program that teaches the illegals how to be reliant on their own not dependent on us or their governments.

If we don't get hit with another major disaster in a major region within 6 months we may make it with ease.

Other than that, we need, as a species, to rethink our place and priorities. Our thowback bickering and tribal mentality is counter to our survival.

I've said it before, nature don't give a fuck what color, size, religion, sex, political affiliation you are, mother nature is only concerned with how good a shit machine you are.

Shit ain't no saint, but where it falls, miracles occur.

I think you are the one who isn't thinking it through. Illegal immigrants in the US cost the US a fucking fortune in various health care, etc, not to mention the huge numbers of them that turn to crime to pay their way. Hell, there is some Hispanic Gang in the United States now with over 30k members. Each illegal they send to jail (for example - and they send a shitload of them to jail) costs on average around $50k per year to keep in there (yeah that's like a good fucking wage for someone who is out of work, not to mention all the other associated costs which are enormous - i.e. the strain on the police system, the cost of dragging them through courts, etc etc). The amount the US would save is also huge, and even if they had to subsidise some forms of work to make it more attractive to people they would have much more money to do so.

what a bunch of bullshit.

first, bush approves illegals to work at Katrina cleanup operations (he lifted the requirement for contractors to check whether employees have a US work permit) which resulted in even bigger truckloads of mexican getting moved to the katrina affected areas, now they all the sudden shift focus and complain that too many mexicans are coming in.

fucking IDIOTS. i wouldn't believe a word of that bullshit.

Maybe deporting the illegals will drive unemployment down.

Yay, for Club Bush as he finds Americans Jobs! No longer Walmart bottom of the barrel employer's! Americans can work in the fields! As long as Americans are employed it might get his approval record higher...

SOme how?

I dunno.

The administration is fucking totally incompetant.

about fucking time

This might be a viable point if it wasn't for the fact that a large plurality of the inmates are incarcerated for drug related offenses, the vast bulk of those being simple possession or sale/distribution. In many states, there's as many people serving terms for drug-related offenses as violent crimes.

The reason so many people are in jail is simple:

- Jails make money
- Conservatives like money
- ...and their answer to any crime is "lock em up" (or deport, or kill, or torture, or whatever)

This doesn't say anything about the illegal immigrant situation, of course... but it does show that illegal-immigrant related costs are dwarfed by the cost of half the prison budget going to housing people who get high and their dealers. :2 cents:

Unemployed blacks will have to. That's why they are doing it so 38% of blacks that are on welfare can get off of welfare. The number of blacks that are unemployed are higher than reported because to be unemployed you have to "willing and able to find work." Most blacks are UNWILLING and UNABLE to find work because they choose not to. That's why they are not included in the unemployment numbers.

After 9/11 most illegals that commit felons are deported.

What's worst than an incompetent administration is a webmaster that doesn't know his head from his ass.

It doesn't matter what Bush's approval rating is. It's irrelevant because it's his last term. Furthermore, unemployment is at its historical low. US unemployment is one of the lowest in the developed world.

Are American's too good to work in the fields? If you have no food get off your lazy ass and ego and work in the fields.

Well for one I fail to see how jails make money. I know there is the economic arguement that it is pumping money into the US economy by hiring American's, etc to work there, but it isn't really a valid arguement (considering the money could be spent on much better things). The Justice system as a whole is a very very expensive process, and ultimately the money could be pumped back into the US economy in much more positive ways. But in any event (and this is just one example), and correct me if I am wrong, illegal immigrants wouldn't be paying tax on the money they earn, so for one the US Government could offer tax breaks to those people that work low-end jobs. I am not saying there aren't some economic benefits to illegal immigration, but some people talk about it as if stopping it would bring down the US economy, which is ridiculous. The US could certainly go along ok without it. Some adjustments would have to made no doubt, but the US has certainly faced harded situations before and come out on top.

Also it is important to note that in any economy it is imperative to have a certain % unemployed (I forget the exact numbers however that are generally suggested). If too low a % of people are employed it gives workers much more leverage over employer's as the job market would not competitive enough. I think it was in Ireland where the European Union stepped in because unemployment levels were getting to low?

Very good point but there's also political costs involved in any crackdown. Anyone remember Gov. Pete Wilson from California and his support on a crackdown on benefits to illegal aliens? His party lost BIG after he left office.

The workers having more leverage against getting ass fucker from employers is bad why? Im confused my father has to work a min of 12 hr days to keep up for all the laid off people while the ceo gave himself a 50 million dollar bonus.This good why?

This would be true if all illegal immigrant work is the day laborer all cash transaction variety. However, the truth of the matter is there are tons of illegal aliens in the USA who come in with passports and overstay --either as students who overstay or tourists who overstay. In this situation, many get fake documents to get jobs and yes... they get taxed via the witholding tax system.

he said it! ^^ :thumbsup

I don't see why people support illegal immigration on the basis of the idea that they are taking jobs American's don't want. Set up a guest worker program to fill these jobs if they do exist, and deport everyone else. No exceptions. Simple as that. If they try to come back again and again, lock their ass up.

And if you think they are taking nothing but jobs nobody else wants, think again.

Plus consider that these "undocumented workers" strip money out of local economies. They don't buy a damn thing when they are living in the US. They make as much as they can and take it back to Mexico instead of spending it at local stores like a real American would do.

Illegal immigrants are nothing but trouble for the US.

Frankly, what I dislike about Chertoff's position is that it assumes that ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIEN problem in the US stems from border crossings. That is wrong. Many if not most of the 911 hijackers had passports. Maybe his schtick would be more believable if he cracked down on visa overstayers.

very good point :thumbsup