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RogerV 08-25-2005 07:02 PM

Why are paysite programs paying out 50/50 when others don't?
 
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

TheDoc 08-25-2005 07:04 PM

Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

seven 08-25-2005 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

... :helpme

chadglni 08-25-2005 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50


How would a cam company pay 50%? I always thought that was pretty obvious.

wargames 08-25-2005 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)

datatank 08-25-2005 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50



Ask Amazon.com

Sly 08-25-2005 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc
Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..

The cam models need to make a nice chunk in order to keep them coming back. More hands in the pot.

tony286 08-25-2005 07:05 PM

well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

chadglni 08-25-2005 07:05 PM

And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc
Profit margin are small on VOD and sextoys.. Not sure why on cam sites..


Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wargames
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30% (cost of product)
cam companies 35% (paying the girls)
VOD pay per minute video companies 30% (paying the producers)

So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

wargames 08-25-2005 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Still it's 50/50 I don't get it.

It is a 3 way split.

vod producer/owner/webmaster
cam girl/owner/webmaster
sex toy product/owner/webmaster

:thumbsup

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank
Ask Amazon.com

Fuck them they don't even payout there affliates.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404
well probably cam companies have to pay out models so less of the pie.

I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money

wargames 08-25-2005 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

but they are paying bandwidth and tons of other things as well. When you shoot or buy your own content you keep making money on that for a while. :thumbsup

Mutt 08-25-2005 07:09 PM

toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
And the question is, why don't you pay out 30% instead of 50?

I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.

Sly 08-25-2005 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
I have to pay the models upfront on shoots. they don't until they make money

Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.

TheDoc 08-25-2005 07:10 PM

VOD also has to pay a lease streaming services too.

Logan Videos 08-25-2005 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50


Because somes sites have a bigger profit margin than other sites :winkwink:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/idiot.jpg

synapse 08-25-2005 07:11 PM

We can pay out 50% or even more because our cam site doesn't rely on models, our site is 100% real people :thumbsup

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
toy stores could easily pay 50/50 on sex toys - huge markup on sex toys - not as big on DVDs.

and the PPV people can't pay 50/50 - producer needs to be paid a hefty % or the PPV wouldn't have the product. same goes for the live webcam people.

paysites can get away with paying 50-70% because most of them have little costs to start up or maintain.


I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well :winkwink:

Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial

BVF 08-25-2005 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
So we have to pay for the bandwith, girls,and tons of other things

COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Paying a model up-front is totally different from paying a cam model. I'm sure Lars would be happy to break it down.

we have to pay for hosted galleries, banners designers etc.

they don't because most of them go into members sections etc.and its the same template.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF
COGS = Cost Of Goods Sold.......It costs less per unit to produce online porn than it does to produce hard goods. Once you shoot the porn, the cost to deliver it is a FRACTION of the cost to deliver each "unit" of a hard good which would require packing, shipping, etc....

but we have to constantly deliver new goods to get the traffic since everyone only promotes exclusive and new fresh faces mainly

Sly 08-25-2005 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
I disagree on the little cost but you all have been conditoned well :winkwink:

Personally I think everyone should be paying out 50/50 or per trial

Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.

chadglni 08-25-2005 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
I payout $30 upfront whether I make a dime or not.

One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

Are you just trolling or what?

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Roger, just say you pay $2k a hardcore scene. That movie can be viewed over and over again by thousands of visitors. You have a fixed cost, but you can sell it an infinite amount of times.

With cams, every session is 100% unique. Every visitor receives a new "movie" custom to his desires. That session cannot be sold to another visitor, they don't want it.

Do you see the difference now? Mutt knows plenty about the content business.

I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
One of the cam sites I promote pays out $40 to $80 up front regardless of whether or not they make a dime.

Are you just trolling or what?

really who pays that? I'd like to try them out

I just know they can all afford to payout more :1orglaugh

and I'm also trolling a little :winkwink:

Doctor Dre 08-25-2005 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Sextoy stores fullfilment companies only payout like 30%
cam companies 35%
VOD pay per minute video companies 30%

why doesn't everyone pay 50/50

Now that's an easy question ...

The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Now that's an easy question ...

The cost of your product dosen't grow up with the ammount of membership you are selling (except for the hosting bill ... wich is not that bad compared to production cost when you are average size). The cost of a sex toy is always the asme for every sale ... so he can't give out a commission as big as a site that got virtually no per item cost would.

you like sending to sites that don't update which cost alot money

Sly 08-25-2005 07:33 PM

Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

Damn you Roger!

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly
Funny thing about Roger's threads... I know he's a smart guy, a go getter. But his threads drive me absolutely crazy because I want to smack him after some of the questions he "asks". Haha.

Damn you Roger!

Its one of those threads that just asks for drama :winkwink:

10% of our webmasters use rev-share shit we pay up front wether we make money or not. LOL

I just don't get how these companies have been able to keep there payouts low it's not like they have any risk.

I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk :2 cents:

JD 08-25-2005 07:50 PM

i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

chadglni 08-25-2005 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
I still don't get it and I'm not Dumb..

In order for me to get that new customer i need to shoot new exclusive content, host the bandwidth for it and continue to update members section which cost money. and pay out 50%

they don't have to pay for anything upfront until the clock start ticking or someone purchases an item. no risk at all

What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please. :1orglaugh

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR
i'm making 40% with a certain toy site that wishes to remain nameless.

See I bet you can get 50% out of them :winkwink:

chadglni 08-25-2005 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

I understand how all the models work and i know they could all raise there payouts some. I personally won't send to anyone who doesn't pay me half there profits unless they take a risk :2 cents:

They do pay you half the profits.

40% to 50% to the girl, 10% to 20% for all other expenses like hosting, billing, etc. , leaving about 40%. Most cam sites pay 20% revshare of gross which equals near 50% of profit.

RogerV 08-25-2005 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
What difference does that make? When the clock DOES start ticking they pay the cam model 50%. You want them to pay affiliates another 50%? Explain to us simpletons how this will work please. :1orglaugh

Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

pay the models less shit 90% are in russia

chadglni 08-25-2005 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
Affiliates get 50% and they split 50% then you can compare it to how we pay on trial. if we are talking about margins

pay the models less

As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.

RogerV 08-25-2005 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
As soon as they pay the models less their site goes to shit. I'll just assume you're joking and leave this thread because this is sad.

most of the models are in russia working in staged housing I bet the models don't make shit. :1orglaugh but what do I know.


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