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America won in Vietnam
When I watch Vietnam war films they all show America winning. Why in reality did they actually shit their pants and fly off in a helicopter from the embassy building?
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the movies are american made most likely...
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I dunno what I just wrote, but it sounded good a couple of seconds earlier, so I'm sticking with it. |
Didn't you see A Fish Called Wanda? Should answer your question. :1orglaugh
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what movies are you watching? platoon, full metal jacket, apocalypse now, and deer hunter are the vietnam movies that come to mind and none of those suggest america won..
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All American programs always show America winning every war. Watch WWII stuff on the military channel, they make it seem like America single handedly beat Nazis. Who? What? Russians? I don't think the Russians were even involved. Of course they're going to change history and say they won in Vietnam, that's what America does.
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Censored is not really the right term, although there are plenty of things you can't mention in the US media. It's a very complicated, highly effective propaganda machine, it's engineered towards painting a certain image of America and another one of everyone else. It's not just the media, the biggest problem is that they do it in schools. Read an American high school history textbook one of these days and you'll see what I mean. They paint what I like to call the story of America, a nation above all others, blessed by God, that does nothing but good in the world and wins every war it enters. They're taught that everything their government does is in the best interests of the greater good. They tell kids that their revolutionary war involved the people rising up and fighting for their own interests, they don't mention that it was orchestrated by slave owning elites for their own benefit, who would become the ruling class and form the two party system, which has essentially kept the super rich unchallenged and in total control of the rest of the population for over two hundred years. They tell them that their civil war was fought because one day people woke up and decided to end slavery. They don't explain that it was actually a complicated power struggle between north eastern and southern elites, and that slavery was only used as an issue because the bankers in the north didn't need slaves anymore. They tell them that the Mexican war was started by Mexicans, when in fact it was an offensive invasion. "We take nothing by force, thank God". (Said famously right before they invaded Mexico and took more than half of their land, which they occupy to this day.) They tell them that Pearl Harbor was a surprise and unprovoked, they don't mention the sanctions the US put against Japan that would have essentially put an end to their empire. They also call WWI a people's war, there's no mention of the fact that people who simply dissented against the draft in speeches or writings were given decade long prison sentences. They don't teach about America's empire and wars of conquest, or any of the horrible things they've done over the years in places like South America or South East Asia. The vast majority of Americans can't name half of America's colonies, the real stupid ones even think that America isn't an empire at all. Most Americans never end up getting a real education, which is why you get a population ignorant enough to believe every lie their leaders tell them. This is why they're able to invade and occupy countries with the population at home thinking that they're doing "humanitarian work" or "ridding the world of evil" or whatever nonsense they're feeding the sheep this week. This is also why some Americans have a hard time understanding why the rest of the world does not like them. |
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Wait a second, Rich. Are you trying to tell me that people who obtain positions of power in Goverment are often times corrupt? You mean to tell me that these sorts of people take advantage of the situation to the benefit of their friends and families? This must be soley an American phenomenon though, right? Such abuses don't take place anywhere like Canada, France or well anywhere but in The United States, right? Surely if such things happened elsewhere you'd be here to report on it for us!
As far as revisionist history, well it's pretty much SOP everywhere, now isn't it? What do French text books teach about WWII and the valiant effort the mighty French put up staving off the German war machine? Christ, they still celebrate the French liberation of Paris. :1orglaugh Tool. |
War was never declared.... It was a police action.. and we weren't allowed to win..
We had soooo many opportunities to end the whole thing, but they weren't options in the eyes of the then administration... Kennedy was getting ready to send in the really big guns and put an end to it, then poof.. he's dead... Imagine that... Johnson, friends, and family... and wife's family had way too much bidness goin on and makin lots & lots of money.. no way it was gonna end.. It became a way of life with scores being kept on the news.. This many Americans died today... that many North Vietnamese died today... Then after Nixon gets in, he sends Kissinger over and voila'.. We just quit fighting and come home.. 10 years worth of lives lost for nothing... Kinda like what's happenin' now... |
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They just had elections (in Iraq).The US has just installed a democracy in Iraq. Don't you watch the news? This is completely different than Vietnam, just like my good friend 12clicks predicted. God bless his soul. |
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It's easy to sit back and criticize now, but keep in mind those idiots were the ones that coined the phrase 'kamikaze'. They couldn't be defeated by any rational means of attrition since they were not only willing to die but found some kind of twisted honor in doing so. BTW, there were far more civilian casulties from single bombing runs in the European theatre in WWII than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The only reason you don't hear people bitching about it is because it was from conventional weapons. |
AmateurFlix, be sure. I heard alot about "brave" US and UK pilots what burned and ruined Dresden and lots of other cities (mostly civilian ones) in Germany... But those people were killed just once. However the Japan ones are dieing even today due to radiation sickness and genetic mutations.
Please think twice before you say something. |
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You don't honestly believe that, do you? |
its something the US wants you to believe
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I think he's talking about documentary style military films like you'd see on the history channel, not Hollywood movies. |
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Do you really think the US gov. would let them (Foxnews) lie to the general public like that on TV? 12clicks is always right. |
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Please keep in mind these people were of such a mentality that they did not stop after having this done to them ONCE, it needed to be REPEATED AGAIN at a second city to get the message through. They didn't care much about their own people except as a fighting resource and their culture, at least at that time, didn't place much value on human life, at least not on par with most other civilizations in the world. Nothing wrong at all with that decision. As for the ones who are having problems today; they really ought to consider moving to an area that wasn't bombed IMHO. |
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I see you got an A in high school history. The US did nothing to hurt Japan before Pearl Harbor, it was a complete unprovoked attacked. Those bastards. :1orglaugh |
you win some, you loose some
vietnam was a loose |
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"""They tell kids that their revolutionary war involved the people rising up and fighting for their own interests, they don't mention that it was orchestrated by slave owning elites for their own benefit,"""
Luckily, Americans DID have a genuine, true blue, world class hero who forced the government to give real rights and equality to the common people. Sadly, since he makes the founding fathers look like a bunch of scoundrels, he will never be given the hero status in America that he deserves. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc..._Rebellion.htm |
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My point was that given the circumstances at the time I really see nothing wrong with what was done. People didn't know about the long term effects of radiation. They did know that alot of Americans were dying at the hands of the Japanese at the time. Many were being tortured. The US was involved in a battle that could probably never be totally won through conventional means by either side because of the mentality of the Japanese. The A-bomb saved a lot of American lives; if the option to simply retreat had existed that would have been preferable but the Japanese would have simply regrouped and attacked again. Hell the enemy was even doing shit as stupid as attaching bombs to large balloons and hoping they'd drop "somewhere" over the western US - so you can't really say the Japanese were all that concerned about avoiding civilian targets in the US either. They had already demonstrated that they didn't care about civilian casualties by doing that. Given the choices of having them come to the US and bomb indiscrimenantly or end it on their turf quickly, I'm glad the latter was the result. |
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Japan was taking control of the resources of SE Asia, America didn't like that, so they put massive sanctions on Japan that would have essentially put an end to their empire. They had no option but to strike back, and the US knew that would be the result of the sanctions. The nonsense about Pearl Harbour being an unexpected, unprovoked attack is oversimplified high school textbook garbage. |
Oh Hell NO! Viet Power Niggas!!
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