Looking for a programmer too ? Read this! [drama]
 

Fuzebox (he posts here under that nick) know him? Hes the guy who programmed our dutchteencash galleries script and hes the guy who we all thought was cool. Well this post will change your mind.

Ive asked him to do a script, small one, over 2 months ago. I asked him again one month ago. He would start right away. Nothing happened. We decided to pay him upfront 100% since it was only $100 and maybe a few 100 more for additional changes. Nothing. He postponed the whole thing. Not once twice but over 10 times. Maybe this guy does programming as a sitejob looking out over his Jacuzzi in his Hollywood estate and couldnt care less bout a million or two, but normal people like to know when stuff is done and finished in time.

Two weeks later, no script, excuses promises and a final FUCK YOU email. Im sure he thinks were picky, but Id like to keep things tight and on time. The cool guy he was changed.

If you need a script dont bother to ask him. He wont do it in time. And Im pretty sure he wont refund as well. Weve got a new programmer btw hes cool fast and easy going. Posts here too hit me up if you need him 16 91 547


May 19th
Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
soon hopefully... like next week


June 18th
DTC Support (1691547) Wrote:
hi! remember ive asked bout the signup script? id like to get that done...

Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
oh wow, I forgot completely about that!

June 21st

Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
I just woke up, still working on it

June 22nd

Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
hey bob... sorry, I was out at my buddy's place and had a really bad wireless connection so I didn't get very much done... I'll try to finish your stuff right now

June 23rd

Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
probably a couple more hours

June 25th
Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
I'm sorry for the delay, I had no internet for one day and then I've been busy since then... I will have it done in the next 12-14 hours.

June 26th
Fuzebox (5030163) Wrote:
i'm finishing it up right now


June 27th
I'm very sorry that I didn't complete the project. I have sent an email
to my friend who's paypal account you sent to, and he will refund you
today.

I know I have disappointed you with this project. You will receive your
$100 today.

Again, I'm sorry I disappointed you

June 28
No refund.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Rob
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 juni 2005 17:22
Aan: bob
Onderwerp: RE: script


Excuse me? Screw you.

I've never dealt with him personally so I have no experience directly, but many people I know recommend him.

yeah to us as well, untill you gotta work with him.

boy,that sucks...:Oh crap

That's pretty shitty.

He shouldnt take new orders

Its one excuse after the other. If youre moving and dont have inet and have to work on a laptop in between 1 million other things then you shouldnt take new orders.

Id like to work with ppl who are reliable and dont have to be chased around to keep working. Hes not one of them for sure.

none of these programmers are reliable, I swear every one I've tried hiring has been nothing but a nightmare.

Thinkx: Don't be a dumbass. Fuzebox is a personal and logtime friend of mine. We hang out often. I trust NO ONE on GFY (or in my personal life for that matter) more than him. He ALWAYS sticks to his word. However he is moving accross Canada (THOUSANDS of Kilometers) this week so you can't expect him to pull a miracle out of his ass. He even told you he is moving. Give him a break.

He would NEVER steal $100.
When you give an ultimatum "Send my money tomorrow or I will hammer your name all over the boards" you are being ridiculous. He has no problem refunding your measly $100 you need so badly.

Bottom line: You dealt with the situation poorly, and you now look like a tool. Rob would never go out of his way to ruin his rep over a crap $100.

I come out of this knowing you're a little too trigger happy to try to give someone a bad name. +1 thinkx to "never do biz with" list.

thats bad

What the hell?? Way to post things out of context :mad:

The paypal funds are in my friend's account, he got home late last night and told me he'd send the funds this morning.

This was the email I received this morning:

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Just as I thought,

no refund. Your word means nothing.

ThinkX Ltd

Bob

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Which was hugely insulting IMO. Why don't you post the rest of the email, it was a long one?

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Excuse me? Screw you. My friend got home last night at 2am (he was out all day, I asked him to send you the refund at 10am, 14 hours earlier). He told me he was tired and would talk to me in the morning.

"Just as you thought"? You think I'm not going to refund you? Where the fuck did this come from? When did you start thinking this way about me?

You'll get your refund, I'm not stealing your money. You *cannot* drop an ultimateum such as "Not, or partially or not TODAY refunding is no option", when you KNOW that it is not even my account that the funds are in. I haven't even got that money yet, it has been sitting in my friends account since you sent it last week.

You've gone from being a very nice and reasonable person to attacking me harshly for no reason... This came right out of nowhere, what the hell is your problem? I was a few days late on a script (which is basically done btw, other than an issue with mail that I spent several hours trying to figure out and have to do another way now), after I explained my situation to you (I'm moving 4,000km away in 24 hours, between organizing logistical things such as storage and banking, and visiting all my friends and family one last time before I leave, I don't have a lot of extra time, but I did my best to make it work).

Yes, I didn't finish on time, but there is no reason at all for 1) a ridiculous email full of threats and then 2) this email with an attack towards me. I have no idea why you could just send an ICQ saying that you got someone else and could I please send a refund your way, that would have been no problem.

It's 8:18AM (GMT -8), my friend with the paypal account is still sleeping and probably won't be awake for 2-3 hours. When he is awake I will talk to him again, and he will send your money. Until then there is nothing you or I can do about it.

-rob


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But then I knew you weren't going to post any of it:

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Thank you

im not even gonna read this email, promises promises...ill post it right now
on every board and file the complaint, your biz is history

-Bob

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Thanks Bob, for being a dick.

I hope thats not true lol... I just dont get it, they KNOW you got a deadline, were gonna launch dutchteencash v2.0 million things to do, and one shitty guy postponing everything 10 times fuckes it all up.

Yeah, Fuzebox is way to busy with much bigger projects from much bigger people and programs...

I consider that a good problem to have.

thinkx: do not accept small jobs from thinkx because if you don't obey his every command and go the extra mile for his $100, he'll "out you on the boards" over it.

Ah ok so now Im a dick because all the deadlines you postponed and the promises youve made are all worth shit?

Lame drama over $100

I liked how "Bob" went out and tried even HARDER to fuck Fuze up by posting PART of the long winded email Fuzebox wrote:

His version: "Screw You"
The actual Version: "screw you, you'll get the money today"

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Clown.

what an asshole, he could have posted the full email.. this is EXACTLY why I dont take clients anymore.

everybody wants to bitch about programmers but do you have any idea what we hafta deal with? the first rule I learned when I was doing freelance was NEVER let your client know that you NEED the money, because they will use it to screw you out of your hard work and not pay up.

thinkx is a peice of shit who cant even tell the full story when he wants to cry on the boards, and your trying to talk about honesty?? fucking hypocrite

If I was your new programmer I'd cancel any projects I was working on you with after I saw this thread.. Jackass

Nice try. This has nothing to do with command. If wed pay him 10k then his attitude would be the same :321GFY

Right. This is the first line of the email. And zero money has been send to our paypal.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Rob
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 juni 2005 17:22
Aan: bob
Onderwerp: RE: script


Excuse me? Screw you. My friend got home last night at 2am (he was out
all day, I asked him to send you the refund at 10am, 14 hours earlier).
He told me he was tired and would talk to me in the morning.

This is why contracts are needed with delivery dates on them and signed off on by both parties....

Chat is great for business, just not when it comes to a binding contract.

No, you're being a dick for creating a problem out of a situation that was being resolved. Yes, I fucked up, but you've come out of nowhere with insults and now board drama? Because you can't even read what I have to say?

Lol youre a funny guy. We paid upfront. Doesnt matter if its 100 or 10k. Ask around tootie, quashe and many others. Upfront.

That's what you assume. It's called priority. Yes, all projects should be done as quickly as possible but sometimes that's just not realistic.

When someone pays you $10k to do something and someone else comes along with a $100 project.... you get the idea which one gets the higher priority.

A programmer will tell you straight up that he's very busy and "will get to it when he can" and give you a tentative time line... "I can try for tomorrow" or something like that.

If you give someone $100, that doesn't meant that he's at your beck and call 24/7 until your work is done. You're just a small piece of pie out of a very large work load.

A lot of times that small project gets referred to someone else, or just denied, or tried but failed.... it sucks but it happens a lot in the programming world.

He tried, couldn't get it into the schedule and offered you back your money. So take it and this $100 drama and find someone else.

Fuzzbox - As someone who's also had trouble with programmers and designers, it just pisses people off when they've paid money and the programmer fucks around delaying and delaying and excuses and delaying, instead of a refund. We've heard it all, we've paid and we want the shit done, not excuses! Is it so hard to understand?

I'll go out on a limb and assume you didn't read the last line of the email.

It's 8:18AM (GMT -8), my friend with the paypal account is still
sleeping and probably won't be awake for 2-3 hours. When he is awake I
will talk to him again, and he will send your money. Until then there
is nothing you or I can do about it.

It's 9:09 and he is still sleeping. Sorry, I'm not going to wake him up... What the hell, it hasn't even been a day since you asked for a refund.

Damn time zones.

you still didnt tell the full story in complete honesty when you brought this to the boards, so it doesnt matter how much he owes you.. you destroyed your credibility for not stating the facts 100%

his full email says he will issue your refund in 2-3 hours when his friend wakes up.. if he doesnt do that, then that would be the right time to bitch

Ive read EVERY word you said on icq on email and here. I also stated many times we had to get that script done. But you postponed. Vanished from icq. Didnt reply on email. Postponed again.

I wish you all the best with you superbig projects. I hope you find many clients who think its absolutely cool to skip deadlines 10 times in a row. Cause we sure dont.

Oh please a client is a client regardless if he pays $10 or $10000. If he didn't have the time to complete the task as agreed he shouldn't have taken the job. And him not having a lousey $100 to refund him speaks volumes. :2 cents:

Ok I didnt paste the whole email true, its damn long but hey if you want it.

And : he said we would be refunded yesterday. Here's the first part of the email he wrote yesterday. Yes he used a friends paypal. I dont care.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Rob
Verzonden: maandag 27 juni 2005 19:39
Aan: bob
Onderwerp: Re: script


I'm very sorry that I didn't complete the project. I have sent an email
to my friend who's paypal account you sent to, and he will refund you
today.

He doesn't have $100 to refund?? What thread are you reading??

dramamama

Thanks Stuart, but $10k projects are a bit unrealistic ;) Nothing like that going on right now, I can't very much done working on my friends coffee table...

Real classy thinkx .. I hope this isn't how you treat everyone that does work for you. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend fuze to anyone that is in need of his services.... I'm sorry but the fact you brought such a petty thing to this board really says a lot about your character :2cents

Thanks I appreciate this. I know DTC isnt adult.com. I know $100 isnt much. But Id be a hell of a lot happier with Fuzebox telling us he couldnt do it then this shit true.

I'm just using the price that he used first as an example... just so he gets the point :winkwink:

sorry to hear the bad experience

Read the whole email, I don't have a Paypal account which is the only form of payment thinkx has. Because of this things are delayed a bit while I relay through a third party.

The one where he has to have a friend paypal over the money..

Just because hes your friend doesn't make him right. All these damn programmers pull this shit. You'll have it tommorow, tommorow.. im sure you know exactly what Im talking about.

My character? I dont see how postponing a deadline 10 times has something to do with my character. If you think thats cool then it has more to do with your way of working.

way to throw this out of context, just because he doesnt have his own paypal account doesnt mean he doesnt have the money for the refund

Lol only form of payment? Youre kidding right. We have epass moneybookers paypal and banks in Europe and Belize. And prolly some more I dont even use anymore.