To Everyone Bitching about the FSC.
 

You guys need to first get a fucking clue then shut the fuck up and read everything below.

#1 problem with this industry: very little representation or unity. Do any of you find it disturbing that a couple million bible thumping, radical religious zeolyst can control the political decissions that affect hundreds of millions people. They get to push their way of life onto us and try to drive us out of business, and what to we do... nothing but bitch to each other. There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals, but they push us all (and the majority of americans) around like little bitches. So why do they get their way. Simple, they are organized and they scream loud to politicans and the govt. Since no one stands up to oppose them they get whatever they want.

The only group that backs us up is the FSC so why do some of you shit on them. Instead, we should not only back them 110% but we should be taxing ourselves and creating our own PAC's and other groups to take these religious fuckers head on. Fight toe to toe on all fronts not just stick our tails between our legs and bitch about the FSC. We wait till they back us in a corner and then we let the FSC go after them and we sit back do nothing but bitch about the FSC ??? We should Go after THEM for once. Start Priest Watch Sites, turn up the heat on them and expose all their sins, expose these fuckers everytime they open their mouths about us and show the rest of america how these religious zeolyst are hypocrites. Everytime they stick their nose in our business we need to stick our nose back in theirs 3fold. The come to our work place and mess with us, we should bring it to their fucking churches and their meeting places.

Ok now back to reality. I doubt that will ever happen. The fact of the matter is we can't even support the one group fighting for us, muchless get united and fight for ourselves.

Take the 2257 situation for example. And i hope all you who are crying about the FSC charging membership fees read this.

FSC/DoJ Reach Agreement Suspending 2257 Enforcement for Plaintiffs and FSC Members
Posted: June 23, 2005
Denver, Co. - The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today a stipulation between the parties in Free Speech Coalition et al v. Alberto Gonzales, under which the U.S. Department of Justice agrees that the regulations relating to the federal record-keeping and labeling law, 18 U.S.C. §2257, will not be enforced against plaintiffs and all FSC members until September 7, 2005.


All of you who are bitching about, "why must i pay to join to be protected" well idiots you don't. READ -> " will not be enforced against PLAINTIFFS and all FSC members". YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN FSC TO BE PROTECTED. GO HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND BE A PLAINTIFF. HIRE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND PAY Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars or STFU and pay $300 and let the only group that gives a shit about us handle it. your choice.

I realize most of the people who do bitch about the FSC are either surfers, people who live to be arguing pricks, or webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry. For those of you who actually have something to contribute to this industry and have had any success here, if you are one of the ones bitching about the FSC then that is really sad. I hope you wise up or just simply shut the fuck up unless you have solutions to offer. No one likes whinning people who are always bitching and complaining.

Rant over.

I purposly wrote this in the "fucking" way that i did because i know that is the only way some of you can comprehend anything.

Good post :thumbsup

I stopped reading right here... "There is no doubt we out number them, there are more adult webmasters alone then these religious radicals"

Are you high? There are WAY more religious zealots in america than there are adult webmasters.

Excuse Will, he has permanent road rage. Maybe he meant surfers?

Doesnt matter, what matter is Jesus freaks vote. We do not appearntly.

OK you complain about so called FSC whiners yet this is the umpteenth thread someone has started telling complainers to STFU. Hypocrite. YOU STFU.

The only thing worse about FSC whiners is those that whine about FSC whiners.

I think you're vastly underestimating the number of stong religious believers in the United States.

Later on you even suggest there are more adult webmasters than there are religious zealots in the US. Absurd.

the extreme right wing are highly motivated, organized, lethally dedicated and proactive. they get shit done better than any other 'niche' group out there. these are the people that bomb abortion clinics.

How come we can't find a few nut jobs to bomb something?

You're looking for nut jobs to bomb things? I don't think that's legal, Mr. DOJ.

then you are idiot for missing the main part of the post. But yes I think there are more adult webmasters the religious zeolyst and i explaned why. which you bothered not to read. Whether you agree with my fucking opinion of how many relgious zeolyst there are in the US or not, the main point was that we should not be bitching about the FSC.

This is the first post I made about this.

Your right it is better to complain about the FSC, which is trying to help us then complaining about the people who are bitching about the only group trying to help us. :upsidedow

good posts, but you're wrong about the number of webmasters and it's "zealots".

So? I said this was the umpteenth thread about FSC whiners. I didn't say YOU made all of those threads. You have something to say chocker didn't already?

Seems like they are trying to help their wallet. That's just my opinion. the government was willingot deal what does that tell yuo? Hmmm they knew they would lose. So why deal? Get the injunction. Also you deal from a posistion of STENGTH and the FSC had it and they got a shitty deal. Also Anyone that claims they are "helping" me but is willing to feed me to the feds if I don't fork over cash to them is not my firend now are they?

Ok here are my only 2 beefs with the fsc:

Please correct me if i am wrong . Then i will shut the hell up...

1: Heavey supporters of the FSC and a board rep from FSC posted that everyone will be covered under the juction. They said the doj wont go after anyone while the injuction is in effect

Qouted from fsc website

"Specifically, the DoJ will not conduct any inspections or pursue any claims with regard to the plaintiffs and their members, but reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member."

Now please tell me why we have to pay now to be protected?







2: Fsc mentioned that they would not hand over there members list

Now please tell me why they are handing over there list?

Qouted from fsc website

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"According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DoJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."




Man oh man these guys done switched up on there words and you guys are praiseing them like some kind of gods :Oh crap

You guys are missing it, if you REALLY looked into it there is a hand full of religious zeolyst and the rest are fucking sheep and do as they are told. Sure the "religious" out number us, but if you count the zeolyst, the ones who are in command, the ones who get up and speak to their flock or the ones that organize the protest, we out number those fuckers.


But why do you guys want to argue one part of the post. Debating whether or not there is more zeolyst then us is fucking irrelivant. Like i said, us taking them on is simply "not reality" however i do think it is a great idea. The point of the post (which was listed in the title) is why do we shit on the FSC, and also to point out to all you crying bitches, that you can go hire your own attorney you dont have to join the FSC. so why don't any of you debate me on that ?

1. because there was NO INJUNCTION. There was an agreement between the FSC and PLAINTIFFS not to prosecute and to review the issue in a couple months.

2. the next sentence that you conviently left out from you quote: " At no time will the DoJ have direct access to the FSC membership list, which will remain under seal. "

If you trusted them enough to join up and fight for you then trust them that your info will not be given out. If you don't trust them then hire your own attorney or STFU ;)

That's some pretty crazy logic. Let me try it out too:

Adult Webmasters heavily outnumber United States Generals (leaders), even though the US Army has far more troops (sheep). In a confrontation, Adult Webmasters should be able to crush the United States Millitary, right?

i'd have to say to your post: AGREED. united we stand divided we fall.

"webmasters that make no money and really don't give a fuck about our industry." TRUE. i'm sick of people who don't contribute anything except whining. the deal may not be so great, but at least we had SOMEONE on our side.

I don't give a shit about other post, show me how many of the other posts brought up the points that i did. You complain about me "posting" period. I complain about an issue and back it up with facts why the people shouldn't be complaining. Sounds like your complaining just to complain.

to answer the second part of your post:

The FSC felt they had a good case, but where they 100% confident? Hell no. They might have had a great "game face" on, but I bet you none of them felt it was a "LOCK". They had, how long a month or two to prepare. Then went in to yesterday prepared for a fight, they were confident, BUT you never know how courts will rule. An extention is not a loss. It's small victory. They bought more time to prepare. The smart (and safe) thing to do it to take the extra time, and not risk walking out a loser. Keep puting it off and give yourself more time to build an even stronger case.

If they would have turned down the offer and lost, you guys would have wanted to hang them for doing that.

well tickle my pickle and call me willy

Then why the hell post that no one will be touched in the first place.

If your laywer tell you he's goona get you probation and comes back with 18 months prison time would you be pissed?


And yes the memberslist has been given out.

"A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. pacific standard time, Saturday June 25, 2005."


I dont care if its to the doj, ronald mcdonald or my great grandmother. If anyone besides the fsc has a copy of the members list it has been handed out.

Now how the hell can you support someone who goes back on there word?

Please tell me how. I am having a hard time grasping this......

yeah i am sure we would have a chance against those tanks and fighter jets. Do the religious fellowship have RPG's ? the anaolgy is weak.

The realigious are volunerable, 99% of them have secrets/sins. If a zealot is pushing for a certain bill to pass, we expose some of his dark secrets and fire shit back at him, do you think they next one that was banging a hooker or molesting a child would be so quick to stand up and bitch about us? You are underestimating the impact we could have on them. It goes both ways they can to push around and we can do the same. Do you think they would like if we protest them? or attacked church and state, if we poured money into gay rights and other hot issues just to piss them off. so many things can be done and we have the money, and the resources to do it.

for the sake of you guys dropping this insignificant part of my post, ok there are 100 to 1 religious zealots in the Us. Now if you have something to say about the FSC and other bitching about them, then please do so.

I think you nees to go back to the drawing board. the religous people are not asked to pay to be protected for the FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

Man give me a frigin break. These are lawyers we are talkin about here. If you gonna fight you do it for everyone. Not only for the ones who contribute to your cause. "For justic and liberty for ALL"

I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe a certain man known to snort coke, drive drunk and lie to the nation was able to get re-elected and in a big way. Did you pay attention during the last election, at all?

the jewish dude died for their right to free speech remember?

lchaim!

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damm polythiests every one of them...

Lets all join the peace corps then. How can anyone donate some of thier money and not all of it. These attorneys should be doing this for free :upsidedow Infact they should be coming out of pocket and paying their own damn money for all the expenses their incurred. Membership should be free.

Free Speech Coalition is the trade association of the adult entertainment industry. As a 501 (c)(6) not-for-profit corporation, FSC is funded by membership dues as well as by fundraising efforts.

So how much do you think they really pay themselves?

Point is it's a lot less then you would have to pay to get your own attorney. Point is that they are the only ones standing up for us and you people still want to complain about them. Point is you guys have no valid point, and just want to bitch.

So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? :winkwink: They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list. Do you really think the DOJ couldn't get your name if they wanted it. MY PERSONAL OPINION is that they would rather mess with a non FSC member then a FSC member. If the non member can't afford the $300 then chances are he can not afford his own attorny (in most cases). Or that the person is so ignorant to what is going on they wont think it will happen to them. Either way it would be easier for them to go up against you alone then against you + the FSC.

im not reading all of that.

Yeah we also had a president that shoved a cigar in a girls pussy in the whitehouse ? whats the point. I am talking about the wholier then thouh who think drinking and smoking is bad, that seeing a nipple is terrible sin, and these same people cheating on their wives, molesting kids and hiring hookers. They are the biggest hypocrites of all. The president got relected because he was the best choice between the two candidates. He had their attention and he lied to them and told them he would give them what he wanted, that has no realivance to what i am talking about.

Typical.

but if it was so and so hacked so and so, and this person got fired from company xxx. I am sure it would have your full attention and you would have read every word.

No i am not a member and i will not become one for the simple fact they all ready went back on there word.

Yeap they are non profit cant argure that. But to comply as non profit you cant have nothing left over at the end of the fiscal year. How much you think they are pullin in off of this? Were is all this money going? You cant even get thru to to buy a membership its so damn busy. how much you think they are makin for there salary? come on man Shit they might be pullin in your type of income. I would love to see there records.

"So your beef is that they gave the list to a third party. Are you even a member ? :winkwink: They said the third party is safe and the DOJ will not have access to it. I trust them. MY name is on the list."


Yes my beef is they gave a list to a thrid party. When you say one thing and do another that is a problem. Also to let you know i dont need a attorny i am fully 2257 compliant now :2 cents:

Hi Will,
While I don't necessarily agree with the way you delivered your post, I do defend your right to speak your mind... Which is why, even though I am not an adult web site owner, I have joined the FSC... The free speech issues in question, while they are of an immediate concern to the adult industry, do have a significant impact on content throughout the Internet.

Also, I believe the word you are looking for is 'zealots', not 'zeolysts'.. If you need more information on Zeolysts, you can click on this link... http://www.zeolyst.com/

what they did with the rest of the money??

Our member services include:

Legislative watchdog for the industry

Lobbying at the state and federal level

Public education

Member education on legal obligations

As a last resort, litigation on key issues

All those things cost money. This Litigation is costing them a lot i am sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it cost more then what they have taken in. Does anyone know if Sirkin and the legal dream team is working for free ? I am curious....

your spliting hairs. so lets get this right, what did they say exactly? did they say they would never give the info to the DOJ, did they say that your info would be safe? Show me a quote. Things change as the situation changes, the main point is the info is safe. The DOJ does not have it. The FSC is there to protect us, they are not going to give you info up to the DOJ, well in your case thats impossible.

The reason we can't find a nut job to bomb something is because we are all busy trying to make MONEY. Religious zealots are obsessed with the bible and imposing their way of life on everyone else. That IS their job as they see it.

Anyway, great post. I'm joining the FSC and support it 110% :thumbsup

You provide a service to adult webmasters you have a vested insterest. You don't have to own a t&a site.

The last time I let spell checker give me suggestions for miss spelled words. zeolyst is what they recommended.

I will be the last to claim I got great grades in english class. Yes I am american and a college grduate. I spent too much time partying though :Oh crap

Funny how the main point in this thread is being missed.

Wait a minute here lol What did fsc file:

A: motion
B: injuction
C: lawsuit

Some onle please tell me.....

thank you.

this industry has lot of problems. Supporting the FSC is the first step in the right direction. For those who don't like the FSC then i suggest we start other groups, that will work for us and help support and protect our industy. But perpetual bitching is not a solution to our problems.

Lot of big players like your self have a vested interest as well dont forget to ad that :winkwink:

D: nothing

The FSC and its members and the plaintiffs made an " AGREEMENT".