Fuck Congress - I think I'm going to go out and burn a flag tonight
 

House approves constitutional amendment to ban flag burning.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o/flag_burning

I love my country 1000%, but if you believe in freedom then the symbol of your freedom can't just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of your citizens burning that flag in protest.

When you understand that you can talk to me about the "land of the free"

I really hope the average American wakes up and smells the coffee in 2006 and sends these right wing fuckers packing.

I feel that its sacred because of all the brave men and women that lost their lives protecting it. It's a symbol of our country and if you burn it or desecrate it in any way it directly reflects your view of the country that you support 1000% (is that even possible?).

If someone were to burn a flag in front of me I would personally whip the living fuck out of them and then use their tattered body to smother the flames. Once the flames were extinguished I would take a shit on their face as I piss on their chest.

That's just my feelings on this subject. :2 cents:

So much for freedom of speach and expression... Idolatry is IN!!!! Makes sense when you consider which group seems to be running the country these days.

I have the same feeling. :thumbsup

No offense but aren't you Canadian? If so, what are you doing in this conversation? Your opinion on U.S. policy is like a turd wearing a tuxedo. It might be cute and funny but after all is said and done, it's still just a well dressed piece of shit.

I think I'll go raise my Canadian flag

That's funny... :1orglaugh

Now that is funny...no one can deny that is funny.

Not something I would do personally, but I support your right to express yourself.

You aren't thinking straight.


Yes, i value my freedom of speech but there are some things that i would never do to prove that i have it.

One would be to have anything negative to say about the men and women in uniforms that protect my right to say something negative about them, which i will not do.

And the second is disgrace the American Flag which represents the country that gives me the freedom to do so.

You are just as much as an assailant as this guy
http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/MichaelCrook/wmv

what a hero. :ugone2far Obviously very insecure about what it represents.

Say hi to Hilter. You are a Nazi.

OWNED :1orglaugh

They didn't die defending a flag, they died defending freedom.....the very freedom that allows me to burn the flag, or call the president an asshole, to vigorously protest my government's actions.

Until you're willing to accept that, you don't really know what freedom is.

I seriously doubt that he is a member of the Nazi party...but he is a definitely a partiot...unlike pseudo patriots.

Actually if these anti-flag burning freaks would actually READ the induction oath to the armed sevices they'd might learn something. Show me where the FLAG is mentioned.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Saying you're going to kick the shit out of someone who burns a flag makes you a patriot? :helpme

Appreciate your comments about those who served in wars under whatever flags - I doubt anyone who burns a flag has any intention of showing disrespect to these people. However, the reasons for "flag burning" on occasion would probably make those who died turn in their graves and these same people would be burning that flag as well, in protest.

I can't think of one flag of any nation that is something to be proud about - all nations have done some pretty nasty stuff over time. Flags are something allied to that disease - patriotism. The next step is having everyone raise their right hand as a salute to a "leader" each morning and sing some "approved" songs :-) (Usually with a few mentions of God and some adoration of the "leader" and how wonderful the nation is)

If by "patriot" you mean "fascist" then yes he is. Nazis were fascists.

Blindly following whatever the government tells you to do is NOT being Patriotic it's being retarded.

The gevernement, the media faggots, all the rest of those little faggots can suck a fat cock. If I saw http://www.filecabi.net/v/file/MichaelCrook/wmv that media bitch in real life, he would not have a pleasent day..

Sadly, the only symbol of the United States that means anything anymore is money. :2 cents:

That's the oath people take when joining the military....not really an issue here since we're talking about the rights of the average American citizen.

Here's the oath one takes to become a citizen.
The Oath of Citizenship

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.

Again nowhere is a flag mentioned. As good citizens our responsibility is to support and defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC (read Congress and this President)

It's not only my right as a citizen, it's my duty as a citizen to excercise and defend my constitutional freedoms from those who would try to take them away. Whether it be flag burning laws, the PATRIOT ACT, or any other attempt to legislate away my rights.

I proudly served my country for 12 years...and I have mixed feelings on this topic...

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i don't understand, what is the purpose of making this contitutional?

what is the sense? what is behind this? do they think someone or people will burn many US Flags in the next few years?

Strange...

:1orglaugh Agree Gator!

Govt's are elected to build damned roads, do trade deals, manage the economy, construct some hospitals and come up with a sensible healthcare system blah - nothing else.

They are useless when they step beyond their function, and screw everything up in the process :-)

We ain't exactly talking about the cream of industry or original thought when ya look at the members of a government - they are just good at talking and bullshitting - at least, usually :-)

It is immaterial that the flag is not mentioned in the oath...that flag represents the constitution which in turns represents this nation.

It's one of those things that serves no real practical purpose but gives the politicians something to brag about when it comes time for re-election.
Like "family values" and all of that other shit that lawmakers really have no control over.

It gets them votes from knee-jerk reactionaries who think they're being patriotic

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That's a pretty weak argument. Style over substance.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me..."

So what are they supposed to do when someone who outranks them is an enemy of the constitution? This statement is contradictory.

Posted in another thread about this same subject.

Well thanks for fighting for my right to burn a flag :thumbsup

I can't believe the hypocrites that are coming out of the closet on GFY today. Very sad, very sad.

[QUOTE=Lenny2]They didn't die defending a flag, they died defending freedom.....the very freedom that allows me to burn the flag, or call the president an asshole, to vigorously protest my government's actions.

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Well said.

I love my country very much most of time, I served my country for 3 yrs in the army - I belive any person in this country has the right to civil protest including burning of the flag.

While we might not agree that burning the flag is a good thing, It shouldn't be illegal.

"I find it un democratic and not patriotic to NOT protest against your own goverment in one form or another" Whether it be via the ballot box or in a picket / protest line."

Why aren't they making it illegal to burn the Constitution instead of the flag?

Because right wingers are the first ones to "burn" the Constitution. :1orglaugh

free speach is free speach... how is burning a flag in protest not falling into that definition...

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PS: Isn't dissent one of the highest forms of patriotism?


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In this highly patriotic time, neither party has the courage or political will to vote this down.

Under Clinton, np but these are different times..

It's not like it will all happen tomorrow.

They need to get 2/3 of the senate to vote for it, which it seems they don't have.
Then it will have to be ratified by 3/4 of all state legislatures. (That's 38 states for those of you keeping score)

It's a process that will take quite some time and the political climate will probably change more than once during that time period.

:2 cents:

My congressman voted for this. I need to check out my city ordinances and see what kind of trouble I can get into for burning a flag in front of his district office here.

Burning the flag in and of itself won't cause me problems, but I'll probably be breaking some other law by starting the fire.